Liverpool FC Forum

[Reg]

I've got to be honest, I've always been against a sugar daddy coming in because it wasn't the Liverpool way but now I'm not so sure. Fenway are good owners but they're slow and steady, no short cuts.  Citeh and Mancini have demonstrated that money can be spent in a responsible way and club owners can work respectfully within the system. Abramovich and Chelsea are pure vulgar a nasty combination of Russians and southerners which created a tainted image of rich owners as players and successive managers have just come in to take the money debasing the whole ethos of building a team to achieve deserved success. Citeh have been more controlled and Mancini has been the perfect manager to handle the players and situation.

If an arab came in with cash and a business model the same as Citeh, I'd probably take it. Not sure about BR though, he might fail like Mark Hughes.

But please, lets not go the 'Bongo Bongo Stadium' route...

[woof woof !]

Citeh and Mancini have demonstrated that money can be spent in a responsible way and club owners can work respectfully within the system. Abramovich and Chelsea are pure vulgar a nasty combination of Russians and southerners which created a tainted image of rich owners as players and successive managers have just come in to take the money debasing the whole ethos of building a team to achieve deserved success. Citeh have been more controlled and Mancini has been the perfect manager to handle the players and situation

Bl'oody hell Reg,whats with the city love fest ? If anything imo City have been even more vulgar and disgusting than Chelsea as far as spending is concerned, "spending in a responsible way" is deffo not how I'd describe their activity they have in fact thrown money around like confetti.

In the last five years they've spent an obscene amount of money, the signing of Robinho in 2008 for £32 million on the day the Arabs took over the club was a sign of things to come, Robinho btw only played around 50 games for city.

Since then they've bullied the football world with their spending and are probably as much if not more responsible than any other club for the exorbitant fees now being paid on transfers.

Just some of Man City's high profile signings in the last five seasons (sums as reported)

Aguero £38 mill
Robinho £32 mill
Dzeko £27 mill
Milner £26 mill
Tevez £25 mill
Adebayor £25 mill
Balotelli £24 mill
Silva £24 mill
Toure £24 mill
Lescott £22 mill
Nasri £22 mill
Jo £18 mill
De Jong £18 mill

Add to that some of their "cheaper" buys , eg Kolarov, Barry, Bridge, Santa Cruz, Adam Johson, Kolo Toure, Boateng, Bellamy, Sinclair and Rodwell who cost them an additional £120 mill.

They're just Chelsea with a different accent.

"Responsible spending",  my A'rse .

[Kenny Kan]

Milner - 26M   

[Thommo's perm]

Milner - 26M   

Robinho £32 million

[Kenny Kan]

Adebayor 25M.

[Reg]

Ok but the whole idea of a sugar daddy is to come in and spend a fortune initially to get the club into the top 4 - its unavoidable so lets not act shocked, its THE key part of the plan.

But over the last season you have to admit both owners, manager and players have settled and acted responsibly. But yes, massive expenditure is needed to go from zippo into the top 4 which is why people are moaning about Fenway..

[Kenny Kan]

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in fairness citeh are the worst for lumping obscene amounts of money at players, not only the transfer fee's but extortionate wages also. i wouldnt expect this to be always the case with them though as they are heavily investing for the future and in maybe 10 years they will be producing from their own academy.
mansour is doing it right imo, he knows he has to throw that amount of money in to build a winning team and a global fanbase and thats what he has done.
even chelsea when abramovich took over were firing money everywhere and had the club in debt but now they are breaking even and it proves that you have to speculate to accumulate.
id be up for a buyout if it was the right buyer, someone that will invest in us over the long term, someone who is interested in us for footballing reasons. people like mansour and abramovich want to win things and that in itself is the key, where as the investment bankers would be perfectly happy just to make top 4

[woof woof !]

Ok but the whole idea of a sugar daddy is to come in and spend a fortune initially to get the club into the top 4 - its unavoidable so lets not act shocked, its THE key part of the plan.

But over the last season you have to admit both owners, manager and players have settled and acted responsibly. But yes, massive expenditure is needed to go from zippo into the top 4 which is why people are moaning about Fenway..

I understand that Reg, my post was mainly in response to your statement "Citeh and Mancini have demonstrated that money can be spent in a responsible way"

Almost £500 million spent over five seasons and they've won one premiership title (surely the very least you'd expect), one fa cup, one community shield and fk all else,

I know he didn't spend all of the £500 mill (Hughes accounted for maybe a quarter of it ?) but frankly I'm surprised Mancini still has the job, given almost unlimited spending power he won the prem on goal difference and was unable to defend it the following season and has done fk all in Europe !

Hardly what I'd call responsible spending or top of the shop management skill.

[Reg]

Blimey Woof who could do a better job against Manure at the height of their power?

[woof woof !]

Blimey Woof who could do a better job against Manure at the height of their power?

With City's bottomless pockets , Rafa !

[jacdaniel]

Im getting to a point were I am sick of us being outside the top 4 every season.  Not only are we not competing for league titles but we haven't even been in Europe's top competition for a few years now and next season we might not even make Europa.

I just don't want to see us sign one or two additions this summer and compete for top 4 again next season and possibly miss out again. 

If somebody came in with a heap of money and good intentions I think it would be a good thing.
Like it or not, the game is all about money now and you need plenty of it to compete at the top. 

We've got some great players at the moment and we need to spend and get a good few more in to  make sure we finish top 4 next season.  Do FSG have the money to sign a couple of CB's, a DM and some additional attacking options?

[bunglemark2]

Im getting to a point were I am sick of us being outside the top 4 every season.  Not only are we not competing for league titles but we haven't even been in Europe's top competition for a few years now and next season we might not even make Europa.

I just don't want to see us sign one or two additions this summer and compete for top 4 again next season and possibly miss out again. 

If somebody came in with a heap of money and good intentions I think it would be a good thing.
Like it or not, the game is all about money now and you need plenty of it to compete at the top. 

We've got some great players at the moment and we need to spend and get a good few more in to  make sure we finish top 4 next season.  Do FSG have the money to sign a couple of CB's, a DM and some additional attacking options?

Reluctantly, I agree. Hate to see the club prostitute itself for success but perhaps that's the way it has to be...

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

Blimey Woof who could do a better job against Manure at the height of their power?

if anything city are competing against one of weaker united teams of the last 20 years.

[jacdaniel]

Really starting to think this is the only solution.  FSG, to my knowledge at least, have done a very decent job and I will be forever thankful to them for saving us in our hour of need.

I was rather hopeful that we'd keep our team together this summer and just try to add a few quality additions for next season.  So far it looks like we were just kidding ourselves though and our better players all seem open to offers, should they come in.

Im so tired of our club not being in the CL or even in Europe at all.  And im sick of our best players always looking to leave.
Suppose we'll have to just wait and see what happens over the summer and next season.  If we do finish outside the top 4 again though, I will be all but convinced that we need the big money approach. 
The likes of Bayern, Barca, Real, Chelsea, City and now Monaco/PSG have too much money for us to even compete.

If it were to happen, hopefully they would be sensible and keep BR and the academy etc as its currently running.