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Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:30 pmby Tophatman
I am not going to get too involved here,so hello and goodnight TPO here 
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:31 pmby NANNY RED
Dazzer wrote:NANNY RED wrote:lakes10 wrote:looking at the other forums they all seems to put the blame at Rafa, dont look like the press will.
Which Forums Lakes , because i for one would like to know,
Ill tell you what if you an that Dazzer went an stood on the kop an come out with all the sh.ite you do about the boss on here , five minutes id give yehs
Why what they do to me nanny beat me up ? 
Try it mate an youll see , You are a fecking whopper , Fact, You come on here for a wind up , Alls you spout is sh.it,
As ER said there w,ankers on here just ready enjoy other peoples misery. an ill tell you what you are the fecking ring leader, Youd be better off on Kanwars forum same type of wan.kers on there, youll be at home
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:32 pmby maypaxvobiscum
Greavesie wrote:John I appreciate that but surely it was the individual error of the Greek that cost the game, the 11 men on the pitch should have saw the game out, for me it didnt matter whether or nots Torres was on the pitch. They needed a draw to qualify and were 1:0 down with 5 minnutes to go. Taking Torres hardly gave them 'permission' to attack us
you gotta apply the "but for" test mate 
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:32 pmby big al
madmax I agree about Vorronin. Rafa is an intelligent man it has put faith in this guy who has let him down. His fancy back flicks cost us dearly at Anfield. The miss tonight aside he was falling over himself, being far too negative for a forward and not even making an effort to track back. personally I would rather see a younster like Pacheco given a chance in that role.
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:32 pmby Bad Bob
On the bright side, hell of a strike from Babel tonight. 
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:32 pmby Greavesie
john craig wrote:Greavesie wrote:John I appreciate that but surely it was the individual error of the Greek that cost the game, the 11 men on the pitch should have saw the game out, for me it didnt matter whether or nots Torres was on the pitch. They needed a draw to qualify and were 1:0 down with 5 minnutes to go. Taking Torres hardly gave them 'permission' to attack us
The Greek didn't cost us the game mate, nor did bringing Torres off. Nor did Voronin missing a sitter.
They all contributed to it though. All I'm saying is that the Torres substitution was something that inflenced the game, and the influence was mainly psychological in that the rest of our players see their best player being brought off and their players also see our best player coming off. Anyone who has played the game knows the psychological effects these things have on players at crucial times in crucial games. Fine details.
we're getting into some philosophy now mate
I've had wee bit to drink so I'm just gonna say I do agree with you FWIW
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:33 pmby Dundalk
We had half a team, went to he top team in France, outplayed them and were done by a late goal.
In the end we were unlucky lads
We are out of the CL and fu*ked in the Prem and its only November.
Lets hope we get a favourable draw in the FA Cup 
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:33 pmby Benny The Noon
NANNY RED wrote:Dazzer wrote:NANNY RED wrote:lakes10 wrote:looking at the other forums they all seems to put the blame at Rafa, dont look like the press will.
Which Forums Lakes , because i for one would like to know,
Ill tell you what if you an that Dazzer went an stood on the kop an come out with all the sh.ite you do about the boss on here , five minutes id give yehs
Why what they do to me nanny beat me up ?
Try it mate an youll see , You are a fecking whopper , Fact, You come on here for a wind up , Alls you spout is sh.it,
As ER said there w,ankers on here just ready enjoy other peoples misery. an ill tell you what you are the fecking ring leader, Youd be better off on Kanwars forum same type of wan.kers on there, youll be at home
well said
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:34 pmby kunilson
we deserved to win that game, had enough chances to do so before babel's brilliant strike.
kick in the teeth late on yet again. must try to move on but cant help but be bitterly disappointed right now. we'll be back....
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:34 pmby Emerald Red
Greavesie wrote:Emerald Red wrote:Dazzer wrote:I'm well aware of who the usual clueless w"nkers are.
This wasn't aimed at me and any one else who wants to talk about the mistakes made ?
Right ok and lad stop sh.it stiring you starting to become quite good at it.Rafa as always set the game up perfect I felt but made a key mistake during the game.Sums him up for me.
What mistakes?
There was one mistake made, and it didn't come from Benitez. It came from Kyrcackos at the back.
And I did think about the possiblity of if's and buts. If Torres remained, would they have pushed on for the goal? People love to take things out of context. Who was it that scored our goal again? Was it Torres? Rafa never changed the system. He subbed like-for-like. We still had two strikers on the pitch - and very quick ones - capable of scoring. So why was the Torres sub to blame for the goal? Someone, please, give us all a credible view. One that actually sticks.
but remember ER it was Rafa who signed him etc etc zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Yeah, that old chestnut.
Every player makes mistakes. If defenders didn't make mistakes, there would be very little goals scored in games. Just that today of all days, he decides to play like a goat and gives them a goal.
That performance is confirmation enough for me that our team is not as weak and sh*t as what people make it out to be. We were solid and deserved a win. Injuries, flu, beahcballs.
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:34 pmby account deleted by request
bigmick wrote:I disagree with everyone just about. I thought the Torres substitution was irrelevent, they would have pushed on anyway, why wouldn't they? That said, I don't think those who are saying it played a part are simply doing so in order to have a go at the manager. You know why I think they are saying taking Torres off had an impact? I think they're saying it because they believe it to be the case.
Not everyone has an agenda all the time, sometimes people just post up what they think.
Because if it had stayed at 1-0 Lyon were virtually assured of going through, if we had got a second there was a good chance they could go out, as we would have had the advantage in the head to heads, meaning they would have had to have got something out of the Fiorentina game.
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:34 pmby roberto green
I think some people need a reality check on here and realize what Rafa has had to cope with.I admit I have give some 
about some of his strange decisions but you only have to look at what he has to deal with and had to buy as a defender(the Greek fella 1m)because he couldn't afford silvan Distan 3m defender now at Everton ffs, and he had to wheel and deal for Aqualani in some kind of down payment like people buying a flat screen from Brighthouse or something.
Do people really think it will change our fortunes to get rid of Rafa?
there is only 2 people who can take the blame and that's the owners.
We have been unlucky with injuries etc but do people think that if Rafa had the money he wanted we would have that on the bench
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:34 pmby JC_81
Greavesie wrote:john craig wrote:Greavesie wrote:John I appreciate that but surely it was the individual error of the Greek that cost the game, the 11 men on the pitch should have saw the game out, for me it didnt matter whether or nots Torres was on the pitch. They needed a draw to qualify and were 1:0 down with 5 minnutes to go. Taking Torres hardly gave them 'permission' to attack us
The Greek didn't cost us the game mate, nor did bringing Torres off. Nor did Voronin missing a sitter.
They all contributed to it though. All I'm saying is that the Torres substitution was something that inflenced the game, and the influence was mainly psychological in that the rest of our players see their best player being brought off and their players also see our best player coming off. Anyone who has played the game knows the psychological effects these things have on players at crucial times in crucial games. Fine details.
we're getting into some philosophy now mate
I've had wee bit to drink so I'm just gonna say I do agree with you FWIW
Fair enough.
You've had a drink... and I need a drink... I'm out of here.
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:36 pmby Masch79
NANNY RED wrote:Dazzer wrote:NANNY RED wrote:lakes10 wrote:looking at the other forums they all seems to put the blame at Rafa, dont look like the press will.
Which Forums Lakes , because i for one would like to know,
Ill tell you what if you an that Dazzer went an stood on the kop an come out with all the sh.ite you do about the boss on here , five minutes id give yehs
Why what they do to me nanny beat me up ?
Try it mate an youll see , You are a fecking whopper , Fact, You come on here for a wind up , Alls you spout is sh.it,
As ER said there w,ankers on here just ready enjoy other peoples misery. an ill tell you what you are the fecking ring leader, Youd be better off on Kanwars forum same type of wan.kers on there, youll be at home
Dazzer try readin the banner on Nanny's pic....... 
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:37 pmby Greavesie
john craig wrote:Greavesie wrote:john craig wrote:Greavesie wrote:John I appreciate that but surely it was the individual error of the Greek that cost the game, the 11 men on the pitch should have saw the game out, for me it didnt matter whether or nots Torres was on the pitch. They needed a draw to qualify and were 1:0 down with 5 minnutes to go. Taking Torres hardly gave them 'permission' to attack us
The Greek didn't cost us the game mate, nor did bringing Torres off. Nor did Voronin missing a sitter.
They all contributed to it though. All I'm saying is that the Torres substitution was something that inflenced the game, and the influence was mainly psychological in that the rest of our players see their best player being brought off and their players also see our best player coming off. Anyone who has played the game knows the psychological effects these things have on players at crucial times in crucial games. Fine details.
we're getting into some philosophy now mate
I've had wee bit to drink so I'm just gonna say I do agree with you FWIW
Fair enough.
You've had a drink... and I need a drink... I'm out of here.
have fun mate
Im having more, its well and truely needed