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roberto green wrote:

syma76 wrote:i have a feeling we will win the league

That's the spirit my friend.....

sorry i can't share your optimism

  coz i believed when something wrong happened, comes something great

in LFC we trust 

john craig wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:

john craig wrote:

Bad Bob wrote:

metalhead wrote:Fernando Torres is a world class center back!!! FFS Rafa why did you take him off 

No, no, mate--don't you see?  We had them absolutely pinned back for every single second of the 87 minutes Torres was on the pitch.  They never even had a sniff (disregard that save Reina had to make with his face, or the header just outside his area or those freekicks...).  We pull Nando off and, wham, they're all over us like sailors in a brothel.  FECKIN' RAFA! 

Don't be naive for Christ sake.

Of course that substitution affected the game.  Torres' mere presence on the pitch occupies at least 2 defenders and crucially they fear him.  You bring him off and it automatically gives them a lift and the defenders the confidence to take risks.

It was a stupid decision against United which invited pressure but we got away with it.  It was a stupid decision against Fulham... clearly.  And guess what, it was a stupid decision again tonight.

Obviously we can blame Voronin's miss, the home game v Lyon or the performance at Fiorentina, but don't pretend the manager couldn't have made the closing minutes of the game a bit easier for us by leaving Torres on.  He managed 86 minutes... what's the likelihood that the final 4 minutes will make any difference to his physical condition for the next game.  Nonsense.

I'm sorry, but it was a stupid substitution that contributed to the outcome.

Wrong - Torres fitness is on a knife egde and he only stayed on long enough to get a goal - we got the goal and off he comes for another striker - Torres being on the pitch wouldnt of stopped that goal going in - Thier striker would of still scored after our defender messed up .

You just don't understand the game at all mate, like plenty of others spouting the usual predictable rubbish on here.  Par for the course in this place.

Every refereeing decision, every passage of play, every managerial decision, every pass, every shot etc etc  has an influence on what happens after it in a game... directly or (in the case of Torres coming off)... indirectly.

Plenty of things affected the outcome tonight.  That substitution was one of them.

Dazzer wrote:

I'm well aware of who the usual clueless w"nkers are.

This wasn't aimed at me and any one else who wants to talk about the mistakes made ?

Right ok and lad stop sh.it stiring you starting to become quite good at it.Rafa as always set the game up perfect I felt but made a key mistake during the game.Sums him up for me.

Emerald Red wrote:

Dazzer wrote:

I'm well aware of who the usual clueless w"nkers are.

This wasn't aimed at me and any one else who wants to talk about the mistakes made ?

Right ok and lad stop sh.it stiring you starting to become quite good at it.Rafa as always set the game up perfect I felt but made a key mistake during the game.Sums him up for me.

What mistakes?

There was one mistake made, and it didn't come from Benitez. It came from Kyrcackos at the back.

And I did think about the possiblity of if's and buts. If Torres remained, would they have pushed on for the goal? People love to take things out of context. Who was it that scored our goal again? Was it Torres? Rafa never changed the system. He subbed like-for-like. We still had two strikers on the pitch - and very quick ones - capable of scoring. So why was the Torres sub to blame for the goal? Someone, please, give us all a credible view. One that actually sticks.

Greavesie wrote:John I appreciate that but surely it was the individual error of the Greek that cost the game, the 11 men on the pitch should have saw the game out, for me it didnt matter whether or nots Torres was on the pitch. They needed a draw to qualify and were 1:0 down with 5 minnutes to go. Taking Torres hardly gave them 'permission' to attack us

GreeksterPAO wrote:ya ok relax there buddy. did lyon crucify their defensemen for allowing babel to take a shot. you're a moron. besides the unlucky goal, kyrgiakos was the class of the defenders again 2day just like he was last game. carragher wouldnt do any better. these are 2 elite teams, players are good and ppl do score goals. 1 -1 relax and be thankful u have such a beast in the back.

bigmick wrote:I disagree with everyone just about. I thought the Torres substitution was irrelevent, they would have pushed on anyway, why wouldn't they? That said, I don't think those who are saying it played a part are simply doing so in order to have a go at the manager. You know why I think they are saying taking Torres off had an impact? I think they're saying it because they believe it to be the case.

Not everyone has an agenda all the time, sometimes people just post up what they think.

Emerald Red wrote:

bigmick wrote:I disagree with everyone just about. I thought the Torres substitution was irrelevent, they would have pushed on anyway, why wouldn't they? That said, I don't think those who are saying it played a part are simply doing so in order to have a go at the manager. You know why I think they are saying taking Torres off had an impact? I think they're saying it because they believe it to be the case.

Not everyone has an agenda all the time, sometimes people just post up what they think.

100% Mick.