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ruskiy playmaker wrote:I remember playing Ghost Recon, a Tom Clancy shooter game a few years back and some of the events in the game reminded me of this conflict.  Here's a description of the game. 

Eastern Europe, 2008
The world teeters on the brink of war. Radical ultranationalists have seized power in Moscow - their goal, the reestablishment of the old Soviet empire. Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan - one by onne the nearby independent republics slip back into the Russian orbit. Russian tanks sit in the Caucasus Mountains and the Baltic forests, poised to strike to the south and east. The world hold ots breath, and waits.
For one small group of elite soldiers, the war has already begun: U.S. Special Forces Group 5, First Battalion, D Company. Deployed on peacekeping duty to the Republic of Georgia in the Caucasus, this handful of Green Berets represents the very tip of the spear - the first line of defense. Equipped with the latest battlefield technology, and trained in the latest techniques of covert warfare, they strike - swiftly, silently, and invisibly.
They call themselves "The Ghosts"

Id say that this is pretty interesting because the events take place in the exact location and also during the same yr.  I did some quick research on this, and found out that Clancy gets most of his ideas from actual intelligence agencies.

Despite stepping down from the presidency the ex KGB operative Vladimir Putin still pulls the strings in Moscow. It would be foolish to dismiss the idea that an economically resurgent Russia would at best want to take every opportunity to reclaim it's lost empire and at worst make life "difficult" for those states that left the old USSR.

Georgia's ill considered military action in South Osetia was just the excuse Moscow was looking for to flex it's muscle.

Considering the Wests economic decline and the dramatic growth of China in recent years coupled with Russia's resurgence (based on their huge energy resources) we are  seeing the establishment of a new world order where the US and Western Europe are no longer top dogs. I half expect another "nuclear arms race" at some point in the next decade.

Number 9 wrote:South Coast Shankly im sure if we are to scrape away all the stories and lies peddled by the press and spun by greedy countries with more interest in oil and money than the welfare of its people you would be right!
Its almost certainly about oil which means money.The problem is though Russia supplies the EU with oil and no one is gonna want to offend them too much.They have the power to just stop the oil coming to the west and everyone knows this all too well so would rather sit back than rock the boat.
Fair play to the French PM yesterday he actually had the balls to physically go there and try to make peace which has probably been the only humanitarian act from any other country in the whole mess!Brown and Bush make phonecalls WHICH WE ARE TOLD ABOUT IN OUR EVENING NEWS to make it look like they give a fu,ck when we all know they could'nt care less!Lets face it if Gordon Brown is prepared to let the streets of his own back yard become like a slasher movie and still has not done enough to combat it apart from pathetic knife amnesties and hollow words of promise.So why would he give a fu'ck about S Ossetia?
He does'nt because keeping Russia sweet is far more financially benificial to him and the world in general!

Russia have been very clever here,they have got away with playing the big saviour because most of the population in S Ossetia would consider themselves Russian as opposed to Georgian so they struck at a time when it looked as if they were acting on behalf of the majority of its citizens.War in the name of democratic wishes?
As the biggest spouters of  democracy Britain and the US would only look like hypocritical fools to go beyond pleading for peace and questioning Russias motives!
Russia has played a blinder here...and no one seen it coming,the case is watertight and although everyone knows the real reasons,the way it has been portrayed and will go down in history makes Russias actions look like a neccessary evil!

SouthCoastShankly wrote:

Number 9 wrote:South Coast Shankly im sure if we are to scrape away all the stories and lies peddled by the press and spun by greedy countries with more interest in oil and money than the welfare of its people you would be right!
Its almost certainly about oil which means money.The problem is though Russia supplies the EU with oil and no one is gonna want to offend them too much.They have the power to just stop the oil coming to the west and everyone knows this all too well so would rather sit back than rock the boat.
Fair play to the French PM yesterday he actually had the balls to physically go there and try to make peace which has probably been the only humanitarian act from any other country in the whole mess!Brown and Bush make phonecalls WHICH WE ARE TOLD ABOUT IN OUR EVENING NEWS to make it look like they give a fu,ck when we all know they could'nt care less!Lets face it if Gordon Brown is prepared to let the streets of his own back yard become like a slasher movie and still has not done enough to combat it apart from pathetic knife amnesties and hollow words of promise.So why would he give a fu'ck about S Ossetia?
He does'nt because keeping Russia sweet is far more financially benificial to him and the world in general!

Russia have been very clever here,they have got away with playing the big saviour because most of the population in S Ossetia would consider themselves Russian as opposed to Georgian so they struck at a time when it looked as if they were acting on behalf of the majority of its citizens.War in the name of democratic wishes?
As the biggest spouters of  democracy Britain and the US would only look like hypocritical fools to go beyond pleading for peace and questioning Russias motives!
Russia has played a blinder here...and no one seen it coming,the case is watertight and although everyone knows the real reasons,the way it has been portrayed and will go down in history makes Russias actions look like a neccessary evil!

I appreciate your views but your comment regarding France shows a little naivety. Why do you think the UN is letting the french pm do the negotiation?

Clearly because France was one of the main states that resisted a U.S.led push to grant Georgia a Membership Action Plan, a roadmap to NATO membership.

woof woof ! wrote:

ruskiy playmaker wrote:I remember playing Ghost Recon, a Tom Clancy shooter game a few years back and some of the events in the game reminded me of this conflict.  Here's a description of the game. 

Eastern Europe, 2008
The world teeters on the brink of war. Radical ultranationalists have seized power in Moscow - their goal, the reestablishment of the old Soviet empire. Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan - one by onne the nearby independent republics slip back into the Russian orbit. Russian tanks sit in the Caucasus Mountains and the Baltic forests, poised to strike to the south and east. The world hold ots breath, and waits.
For one small group of elite soldiers, the war has already begun: U.S. Special Forces Group 5, First Battalion, D Company. Deployed on peacekeping duty to the Republic of Georgia in the Caucasus, this handful of Green Berets represents the very tip of the spear - the first line of defense. Equipped with the latest battlefield technology, and trained in the latest techniques of covert warfare, they strike - swiftly, silently, and invisibly.
They call themselves "The Ghosts"

Id say that this is pretty interesting because the events take place in the exact location and also during the same yr.  I did some quick research on this, and found out that Clancy gets most of his ideas from actual intelligence agencies.

Despite stepping down from the presidency the ex KGB operative Vladimir Putin still pulls the strings in Moscow. It would be foolish to dismiss the idea that an economically resurgent Russia would at best want to take every opportunity to reclaim it's lost empire and at worst make life "difficult" for those states that left the old USSR.

Georgia's ill considered military action in South Osetia was just the excuse Moscow was looking for to flex it's muscle.

Considering the Wests economic decline and the dramatic growth of China in recent years coupled with Russia's resurgence (based on their huge energy resources) we are  seeing the establishment of a new world order where the US and Western Europe are no longer top dogs. I half expect another "nuclear arms race" at some point in the next decade.

SouthCoastShankly wrote:

Number 9 wrote:South Coast Shankly im sure if we are to scrape away all the stories and lies peddled by the press and spun by greedy countries with more interest in oil and money than the welfare of its people you would be right!
Its almost certainly about oil which means money.The problem is though Russia supplies the EU with oil and no one is gonna want to offend them too much.They have the power to just stop the oil coming to the west and everyone knows this all too well so would rather sit back than rock the boat.
Fair play to the French PM yesterday he actually had the balls to physically go there and try to make peace which has probably been the only humanitarian act from any other country in the whole mess!Brown and Bush make phonecalls WHICH WE ARE TOLD ABOUT IN OUR EVENING NEWS to make it look like they give a fu,ck when we all know they could'nt care less!Lets face it if Gordon Brown is prepared to let the streets of his own back yard become like a slasher movie and still has not done enough to combat it apart from pathetic knife amnesties and hollow words of promise.So why would he give a fu'ck about S Ossetia?
He does'nt because keeping Russia sweet is far more financially benificial to him and the world in general!

Russia have been very clever here,they have got away with playing the big saviour because most of the population in S Ossetia would consider themselves Russian as opposed to Georgian so they struck at a time when it looked as if they were acting on behalf of the majority of its citizens.War in the name of democratic wishes?
As the biggest spouters of  democracy Britain and the US would only look like hypocritical fools to go beyond pleading for peace and questioning Russias motives!
Russia has played a blinder here...and no one seen it coming,the case is watertight and although everyone knows the real reasons,the way it has been portrayed and will go down in history makes Russias actions look like a neccessary evil!

I appreciate your views but your comment regarding France shows a little naivety. Why do you think the UN is letting the french pm do the negotiation?

Clearly because France was one of the main states that resisted a U.S.led push to grant Georgia a Membership Action Plan, a roadmap to NATO membership.