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Fri Jun 15, 2007 3:03 pm
by LFC2007
Bamaga man wrote:It's not unacceptable Sabre, it uses that murder as an example of the PSYCHOLOGICAL EFFECTS of moderate to high Cannabis use over a long time. I never said the Cannabis was committing a murder, the EFFECT of MODERATE cannabis use over a long time can cause Schizophrenia, these people were HEAVILY influenced by Cannabbis and the evidence strongly points to their mental incapacity as a significant reason for the murders
Going down that route isnt very valid IMO, firstly it CAN produce Schizophrenia, it doesnt mean it will give everyone who smokes it Schizophrenia. Taken one point in which are murder commited, doesnt really hold up for people when comparing it with Alcohol. No, not at all. How many alcoho deaths are recorded every year, how many people cause serious injury or death when under the influence of alcohol. What happens every Friday and Saturday night, in most towns and Cities throughout the UK, its not uncommon for fights to kick off, ending in serious consequences.
You had a fair point about the possibilitiy of Schizophrenia, but like wise your liver could break down if drinking too much. Mentally or Physically its not what anyone would want.
Using alcohol MODERATELY over a long time does not cause these effects, not on the same scale as Cannabis.
How do you know have you tried using both over long periods moderately, plus everyone is different.
The cannabis in Britain is different - a lot stronger- from elsewhere except holand where they are cannabis kings - it is much stronger, I have friends from Brazil who were shocked when they tried some of it over here, it is much stronger.
That quite simply isnt true.
Smoking cannabis consistently will NOT cause mental health problems in EVERY case, but the incidences are higher than amongst other drugs when used moderately
Are you comparing just Cannabis and alcohol, if you are your possibly right, but like I said Cannabis wont cause mental health problems in many cases, drink driving definately kills more. If you are comparing Cannabis to other drugs like LSD, Amphetimene and Cocaine then you are wrong.
Basically both alcohol and Cannabis have different effects, both may have Pro's both definately have Cons.
I don't know how to multiquote but I'll respond anyway:
1) I NEVER said it caused Schizophrenia in EVERY SITUATION. I make it patently clear if you read my posts, ones to Sabre, that the incidence is higher in people who smoke Cannabis.
2) Alcohol deaths are caused as a result of EXCESSIVE drinking in most cases. You can smoke Cannabis moderately over a long time, not necessarily in EXCESS, and develop psychosis. There is scientific evidence that cannabis causes psychosis in higher incidences than Alcohol taken moderately over a similar period.
3) If you read this whole thread most of your points are answered in abundance.
4) Cannabis in Britain is a lot stronger and is DIFFERENT to Cannabis in other countries, but not EVERY country - especially South America. I have friends in Brazil, it IS different and much stronger. It is true.
5) LSD, Amphetamine and Cocaine are stronger than Cannabis, they are ILLEGAL and a higher classification.
I am comparing Cannabis and alcohol because the argument is whether Cannabis should be legalised, that is why. Drink driving kills more, of course it does - that is outside of the law, Cannabis causes psychological effects that Drinking in moderation does not produce - that is why it is illegal.
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Sun Jun 17, 2007 10:12 am
by kunilson
blokes always complicate things?
comedian ![biggrin :D](https://www.liverpoolfc-newkit.co.uk/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
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Sun Jun 17, 2007 5:23 pm
by The Hitman
Im a smoker pubs in town will find it hard
what happens if you go outside for a fag and when you get back in some scally has nicked your pint or your seat?
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Sun Jun 17, 2007 6:53 pm
by kunilson
violence, thats what.
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Sun Jun 17, 2007 11:49 pm
by shanks72
kunilson wrote:blokes always complicate things?
comedian
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haha
seriously though we were good mates, but when he wanted to change things it sorta messed everything up. I was happy to carry on as mates...and he said he was, but blokes have an ego don't they...
We are still mates, just don't see him as much which is a shame.
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Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:31 am
by dawson99
oh shuddup, we enjoy it!!! thats why we do it... and why not?
i know people whos asthma stopped when they started smoking. i know smokers in there 90s who are still healthier than me. if its your time its your time.
Ferris: Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in awhile, you could miss it.
end of story, its something we like doing.
let us smoke.
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Mon Jun 18, 2007 12:01 pm
by 66-1112520797
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Mon Jun 18, 2007 7:52 pm
by NANNY RED
Has anyone just seen the news on liverpools city council smoking ban. Sorry but its a joke there telling any council workman that any time he has to attend a job fixing something in a council house he cant smoke a ciggy half an hour before and he cant smoke on the job, yer right i can just see that happening , it took years for people to stop smoking on the bus upstairs at closing time in Liverpool even when the ban was in place and now there trying to tell them not to go with a smokey breath to someones house best joke of the year for me so far
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Mon Jun 18, 2007 8:00 pm
by LFC2007
I can understand the council not wanting them to smoke on the job, but not allowing them a ciggarette half an hour before is taking it a little too far in my opinion.
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Mon Jun 18, 2007 8:11 pm
by shanks72
My local council says that from July 1st none of it's employees will be able to take smoking breaks or smoke on any "council premises, grounds, or around gateways, entrances or exits to council premises"...
I think it is totally UNACCEPTABLE to deny it's workers smoking breaks and cannot see how such a draconian policy will work.
We all know nicotine is a drug...and that most 'addicts' cannot just stop smoking like that.
Although I agree with the ban...I totally disagree with this council policy and think it unworkable.
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Mon Jun 18, 2007 8:22 pm
by LFC2007
shanks72 wrote:I think it is totally UNACCEPTABLE to deny it's workers smoking breaks and cannot see how such a draconian policy will work.
We all know nicotine is a drug...and that most 'addicts' cannot just stop smoking like that.
They should at least provide a smoking hut where all the nicotine "junkies" can go
I don't mind chipping in for that, will a Sainsbury's homebase two windowed garden shed do for you Dawson?!
If the council do try and deny people the right to a smoking break, I envisage there being a few council managers who smoke who won't hesitate in allowing their subordinates a quick cig on the sly!
It's just impossible to enforce, and the hassle it would create wouldn't be worth it - they may even have to set up a smoking arbitration court. It might just come back to bite them in the backside.
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Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:45 pm
by Kharhaz
From what I understand its voluntary, there asking the residents of liverpool to do that and not telling them. Asking for common courtesy I guess. But then again the people coming round are probably wanting to judge whether or not to stop your benefits so sod em smoke 20 in 20 mins !