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Posted: **Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:52 pm**

I'm expecting 12 points from the next four games. Every LFC player was devastated when they scored the winner in the last minute. I felt so sorry for the players (and for myself). But i think the Pool will be going out guns blazing against Albion. Even though it is Albion there are no easy games in this league. I really think we need a game where we can score 4 or 5 just to show that we can win by a few goals. Most of our victories this season have been by a single goal. Hopefully with Torres back and Kuyt learning the art of putting the ball in the net we can hammer these :censored:

. But going back to the Spurs game, we played some really :censored:

games this season and won (Liege, Boro, Sunderland, etc.) and now we have played a really good game and lost, valuable lesson! Football is a funny old game :;):

Posted: **Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:06 pm**

aCe' wrote:Spurs switched to a 4-4-2 at half time and they pretty much looked the better side going forward 15 mins or so into the second half...
Rafa then went ahead and took off keane when liverpool were still 1-0 up and playing the better football.. THERE WAS NO PRESSURE BY TOTTENHAM TO BE EASED... if anything we needed to go for a second goal to put the whole thin to bed and then start looking at taking out our importnant players and giving them a rest or whatever it is he was thinking !

Again Babel didnt do much in the chelsea game to suggest that he'd come on and do a job as a lone striker against a side that didnt even have possession at the time...defend the sub all you want but it was still one hell of a mistake in my opinion ! I dont blame Babel for not turning up... i dont think he stood any chance of 'turning up' or having any impact playing alone upfront against 4 .. im sure he knows his limitations and knows that he isnt quite the player to be played alone upfront when the team is 1-0 up and having decent possesion... chelsea game it was obvious that we needed as many bodies behind the ball and would play the hopeful long ball for ANY FAST PLAYER to chase down and quite simply hustle defenders higher up the pitch...

I was going to respond to each of your arguments but there's really no point because it's clear that you watched a completely different game than I did. I saw a game where we dominated up until the equalizer and were hardly under the cosh thereafter. I saw a game where we carved out plenty of chances for ourselves--including at least 3 gilt-edged ones in the 2nd half--and yet failed to put the game to bed. As such, I saw a game where the players need to hold up their hands and say they didn't do the business on the day.

While I was watching that game, I must have missed the one you watched--the one where 'Arry tactically outmaneuvred Rafa, where taking Keane off completely surrendered the initiative and where players failing to do the job on the day was somehow due to 'massive mistakes' made by Benitez. :kungfu:

Posted: **Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:13 pm**

Bad Bob wrote:
john craig wrote:it's how we react to that defeat that's most important.

Nail on head, John, and not just in terms of the players. How we supporters reacted to the defeat is telling, as well, and I think a few people on here have let themselves down, TBPH. On the upside, they seem to be firmly in the minority, as it seems most people still think we're still right in the mix, as indeed we are.

Anyone is particular Bob??

I never ever feel that I let myself down, I'm proud to be one of the few people who see things differently from the rose tinted masses.

If you guys honestly feel we are anywhere even close to the quality of Manure or the Chavs then you are seriously deluded and I'm sick to death of hearing about how we were unlucky, how we dominated etc etc blah blah blah.

Bottom line is that most of the players don't know how to score goals and unless Rafa addresses that rather major failing in the team then we won't win the league any time soon!

I can already hear the pitter patter of keyboards typing the now famous an oh so original, "well why don't you F off then and support those other teams you glory hunting &%¤%&#!". The reason is that I really believe in Liverpool, I really think we are close but I will not stop having a moan if I think there are areas which can be improved.

Posted: **Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:24 pm**

heimdall wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
john craig wrote:it's how we react to that defeat that's most important.

Nail on head, John, and not just in terms of the players. How we supporters reacted to the defeat is telling, as well, and I think a few people on here have let themselves down, TBPH. On the upside, they seem to be firmly in the minority, as it seems most people still think we're still right in the mix, as indeed we are.

Anyone is particular Bob??

I never ever feel that I let myself down, I'm proud to be one of the few people who see things differently from the rose tinted masses.

If you guys honestly feel we are anywhere even close to the quality of Manure or the Chavs then you are seriously deluded and I'm sick to death of hearing about how we were unlucky, how we dominated etc etc blah blah blah.

Bottom line is that most of the players don't know how to score goals and unless Rafa addresses that rather major failing in the team then we won't win the league any time soon!

I can already hear the pitter patter of keyboards typing the now famous an oh so original, "well why don't you F off then and support those other teams you glory hunting &%¤%&#!". The reason is that I really believe in Liverpool, I really think we are close but I will not stop having a moan if I think there are areas which can be improved.

More shi'te from Doctor Doom!!

You say we are nowhere near close to Chelsea and UTD!
Did you watch the games a few weeks back when we played them both off the park?
I never seen the game but from what I've read on here from the level headed posters that usually say it as it is,we were robbed.Played well dominated the majority of the game.Sounds to me like a freak result,just one of those days!

Posted: **Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:25 pm**

doctor doom :laugh:

Posted: **Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:29 pm**

Number 9 wrote:
heimdall wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
john craig wrote:it's how we react to that defeat that's most important.

Nail on head, John, and not just in terms of the players. How we supporters reacted to the defeat is telling, as well, and I think a few people on here have let themselves down, TBPH. On the upside, they seem to be firmly in the minority, as it seems most people still think we're still right in the mix, as indeed we are.

Anyone is particular Bob??

I never ever feel that I let myself down, I'm proud to be one of the few people who see things differently from the rose tinted masses.

If you guys honestly feel we are anywhere even close to the quality of Manure or the Chavs then you are seriously deluded and I'm sick to death of hearing about how we were unlucky, how we dominated etc etc blah blah blah.

Bottom line is that most of the players don't know how to score goals and unless Rafa addresses that rather major failing in the team then we won't win the league any time soon!

I can already hear the pitter patter of keyboards typing the now famous an oh so original, "well why don't you F off then and support those other teams you glory hunting &%¤%&#!". The reason is that I really believe in Liverpool, I really think we are close but I will not stop having a moan if I think there are areas which can be improved.

More shi'te from Doctor Doom!!

You say we are nowhere near close to Chelsea and UTD!
Did you watch the games a few weeks back when we played them both off the park?
I never seen the game but from what I've read on here from the level headed posters that usually say it as it is,we were robbed.Played well dominated the majority of the game.Sounds to me like a freak result,just one of those days!

Yes I did watch those matches and was very impressed with how we stifled them out of the game. I also watched us against Pompey, a game which manure and the Chavs would have won comfortably and we win by a single penalty.

Posted: **Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:30 pm**

heimdall wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
john craig wrote:it's how we react to that defeat that's most important.

Nail on head, John, and not just in terms of the players. How we supporters reacted to the defeat is telling, as well, and I think a few people on here have let themselves down, TBPH. On the upside, they seem to be firmly in the minority, as it seems most people still think we're still right in the mix, as indeed we are.

Anyone is particular Bob??

I never ever feel that I let myself down, I'm proud to be one of the few people who see things differently from the rose tinted masses.

If you guys honestly feel we are anywhere even close to the quality of Manure or the Chavs then you are seriously deluded and I'm sick to death of hearing about how we were unlucky, how we dominated etc etc blah blah blah.

Bottom line is that most of the players don't know how to score goals and unless Rafa addresses that rather major failing in the team then we won't win the league any time soon!

I can already hear the pitter patter of keyboards typing the now famous an oh so original, "well why don't you F off then and support those other teams you glory hunting &%¤%&#!". The reason is that I really believe in Liverpool, I really think we are close but I will not stop having a moan if I think there are areas which can be improved.

LOL, we may not be a better team on paper, but we beat them BOTH this season.

Posted: **Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:31 pm**

doesnt the ''fact'' that manure of the chavs would have won them comfortably, (unlike us) yet we beat those 2, tell you football isnt like maths equations?

x+y=z

Posted: **Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:32 pm**

yet the mancs could only draw against the bitters and we beat them .

Posted: **Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:37 pm**

Manure and the Chavs! :angry:

Nearly every post you make you mention them,you even bang on about them in the "Takeover" thread!
You dont know that anyone would have beat Pompey,besides we won anyway.
You cant just pressume anything in football.
Anyway going on your logic UTD drew at home to Everton,we beat them 2-0 away.So are UTD fans now saying we are better because we won and they only drew??

Wise up Heimdall

Posted: **Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:40 pm**

joint with Chelsea on points, with mancs below us.

Posted: **Mon Nov 03, 2008 7:41 pm**

Yeah I don't really buy into this stuff about it being Rafa's fault either. As I've said a couple of times, the Keane substitution didn't come off, but that was more because Babel was awful than for any other reason. Cameo's like the Dutchman's on Saturday are the kind of things that "shipped out to West Ham in January" are made of.

Also, I think we kind of made rods for our own backs and this principly happened in the first half. Having taken the lead so early, we then proceeded to utterly dominate the rest of the first half without making a chance. Most worryingly, it didn't seem to be as a result of particularly a lack of creativity, as much as it was as a result of being content to sit on the lead. During that period, Spurs were absolutely shambolic and although we looked good passing it around in triangles, nobody it seemed to me had the urgency to say "lets put this game to be here and now". I didn't see Gerrard urging the troops forward, I didn't see either Alonso or Masherano showing any great desire to get involved in the play further forward, I didn't see a meanigful contribution from Riera, and I didn't see a determination from Keane to score the second goal.

It was like we are 1-0 up and well on top, so we'll just see what happens from here. Now I've no doubt that the manager put a few rockets up people's erses at half time and in fairness we then had three or four good chances to win it. We didn't of course and in the end got robbed (am I still the only one though who thinks that Pepe should definately have saved the first goal?), but I can't help harking back to that first half. The Mancs and Chelsea miss plenty of chances too of course, but when they've got their foot on your throat like we did to Spurs in the first half, they don't paint pictures they make chances. That for me is the main lesson of the game, 1-0 up after three minutes is lovely, 3-0 after half an hour and you can rest/rotate in the second half till the cows come home.

Posted: **Mon Nov 03, 2008 7:45 pm**

hopefully it is a lesson that the players learnt rather sharpish . We need to finish of teams when we get the chance and like i have think and hope this defeat can end up being a good thing overall

Posted: **Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:44 pm**

NANNY RED wrote:
petefromleek wrote:I promise you I'm not gloating but here are one or two pointers from a Tottenham viewpoint.
Liverpool are the best team who have played Tottenham so far this season.
For most of the first 70 mins you totally outplayed us, and I spent much of this time either looking towards the heavens (Praying?) or my feet (well they were cold and wet) in sheer amazement that we were still only one goal down. Virtually in every position you were sharper and quicker than us, more up for it than we were.
However, whilst it was still 1-0 I kept thinking (forever the optimist) that we were still in the game, but I couldn't honestly see us doing anything. But to be fair, King and Woodgate did pass the ball incredibly well to each other!!
Luck then came our way, and at long last we looked almost decent.
I was glad to welcome Robbie Keane back to WHL, and applauded him when he went off (I was already standing). I apologise for the mindless morons who booed and shouted obscenities at him. He served us well, even if it was not for as long as we would have liked!!
No one (from either side) at WHL could believe the result - you should really have been three or four up before our first. At Anfield, last season, I felt that we had been robbed, but yesterday you were well and truly mugged. I know it was top versus bottom, but I (not really biased) honestly don't think we'll stay there (now), but I do believe you have every chance of finishing top, although Chelski will take some beating - so long as Man Ure don't win it then I don't mind - I hate them more than i do Arsenal:angry:
One final thing, I know the early goal helped, but your fans were in very good voice, and for 70 minutes dominated (just like your team), but then presumably stunned by the goal, you inexplicably fell silent, just when you were needed the most. Why?
Good luck for the rest of the season, unless you're playing us, then may we have all the luck:)

Are you my husband trying to get back in my good books

I can be if you want :devil:

Posted: **Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:53 pm**

Dead strange though he went out the other night an you poped up on here an hes just popped out an what do you know here you come again Spurs fan an all :laugh:

Well if it is you yer still on rations :laugh:

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