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LegBarnes wrote:Must be a way to get him out of the club tho ? surely ?

Or if he wants to stay so bad play him i do not think he is that bad of a player any ways better then kuyt on RM/RW any day of week.

bigmick wrote:

milou wrote:So JP has left on loan.. at least we saved a few months of his wages. That is the best we could get bcos we left it too late.

I cannot stress enough how bad this piece of business is by Rafa:
we are letting a healthy and more-than-decent 26-year old player walk away free, having paid 7mil to get him.

The buck stops at the boss (always) and so far everyone only keeps saying how fcuked and greedy JP is 

Don't tell me this is also Rick Parry's fault?

As much as I dislike them, you have to wonder why the American owners are refusing to give more autonomy to Rafa on transfer matters.

It's an interesting point Milou for sure. It's not like we bought him without knowing that he had previous as far as being a party animal is concerned (if anybody had bothered to ask around in areas that I used to earn a living they could have supplied a dossier).

Equally, I'm not sure his form was that much different than we could have expected before we bought him either. He's never scored goals in his career (principally because he doesn't stand in the right places to give himself the maximum chance of doing so but that's another story) so we couldn't be massively disappointed with that. He put a ton of crosses in at Birmingham, and in fairness to him he did at Liverpool too.

I agree with you as well that this one probably wasn't a "Rick Parry pick"     (kills me that) but I guess the explanation will be something along the lines of "if we had been allowed to buy Rafa's first choice players we wouldn't be having to make do with 6.7 million pound stopgaps".

Just a guess of course, but that's my prediction anyhow.

Mick, whether it is the case of "if we had been allowed to buy Rafa's first choice players we wouldn't be having to make do with 6.7 million pound stopgaps" or not,... it is hard to argue that Rafa doesn't need to shoulder MUCH of the blame IMHO.

It is like if you are a teenager who wanted a Ferrari (who doesn't want ) from your rich parents but they got you a Nissan instead. Shouldn't he be driving it till he gets a new and better one before SELLING it off?

In rafa's case, he actually drove it a while, got some good mileages out of it.. and then SUDDENLY stopped using it COMPLETELY. Worst of all, the poor Nissan couldn't even get a place in the garage (my analogy for bench ) and be abandoned under the sun to rust and left with NO resale value!

So I challenge anyone (not you Mick) to tell me it is the car's and parent's fault but not the teenager's!? 

milou wrote:whether it is the case of "if we had been allowed to buy Rafa's first choice players we wouldn't be having to make do with 6.7 million pound stopgaps" or not,... it is hard to argue that Rafa doesn't need to shoulder MUCH of the blame IMHO.

stmichael wrote:

milou wrote:whether it is the case of "if we had been allowed to buy Rafa's first choice players we wouldn't be having to make do with 6.7 million pound stopgaps" or not,... it is hard to argue that Rafa doesn't need to shoulder MUCH of the blame IMHO.

Agree 100%

Basically, if Parry hadn't f#cked up the Simao deal twice we wouldn't have signed or needed to have signed Riera, Pennant, Benayoun, Gonzalez or Babel. Parry's a tw@t, so in one position his uselessness set us back 4 seasons and people wonder why Rafa wants control?

aCe' wrote:

stmichael wrote:

milou wrote:whether it is the case of "if we had been allowed to buy Rafa's first choice players we wouldn't be having to make do with 6.7 million pound stopgaps" or not,... it is hard to argue that Rafa doesn't need to shoulder MUCH of the blame IMHO.

Agree 100%

Basically, if Parry hadn't f#cked up the Simao deal twice we wouldn't have signed or needed to have signed Riera, Pennant, Benayoun, Gonzalez or Babel. Parry's a tw@t, so in one position his uselessness set us back 4 seasons and people wonder why Rafa wants control?

oh come on mate u cant be serious... thats 30sumthing million pounds worth of player ur talking about here ALL OF WHICH IM PRETTY SURE WERE THE MANAGERS CHOICE...

hes proven yet and again that hes poor when it comes to transfer dealings.. the money hes spet and the squad we have to show for it tell it all really..

GYBS wrote:

aCe' wrote:

stmichael wrote:

milou wrote:whether it is the case of "if we had been allowed to buy Rafa's first choice players we wouldn't be having to make do with 6.7 million pound stopgaps" or not,... it is hard to argue that Rafa doesn't need to shoulder MUCH of the blame IMHO.

Agree 100%

Basically, if Parry hadn't f#cked up the Simao deal twice we wouldn't have signed or needed to have signed Riera, Pennant, Benayoun, Gonzalez or Babel. Parry's a tw@t, so in one position his uselessness set us back 4 seasons and people wonder why Rafa wants control?

oh come on mate u cant be serious... thats 30sumthing million pounds worth of player ur talking about here ALL OF WHICH IM PRETTY SURE WERE THE MANAGERS CHOICE...

hes proven yet and again that hes poor when it comes to transfer dealings.. the money hes spet and the squad we have to show for it tell it all really..

yeah cause he really failed with pepe , arbeloa , agger skirtle , aurelio , sissoko , alonso , masher , torres , crouch , reira plus all the promising youngsters that have done well .players are either doing well or been sold on for profit . Every manager has success and failures in the transfer market but thank god he didnt blow 30 mil on chavchenko or a veron or blowing over a hundred million on players to sit on the bench .

You have selected 10 players and Rafa has bought a veritable shed load costing over £200m. Some of the players you have picked have moved on because they weren't good enough. If you really think Crouch was a good buy why wasn't there a lot more interest when we sold him - Portsmouth is not exactly Juventus - Sissoko probably should have been given more time but he had plenty of critics - his distribution was awful but it sound as if he is improving at Juve. Some of the other players you mention like Arbeloa and Aurelio bewilder me. Arbeloa is slightly better than average and Aurelio is not even that good. As for Masch he is not looking like a £20m player this season! I notice you didn't include Keane - wonder why ? ?

GYBS wrote:

aCe' wrote:

stmichael wrote:

milou wrote:whether it is the case of "if we had been allowed to buy Rafa's first choice players we wouldn't be having to make do with 6.7 million pound stopgaps" or not,... it is hard to argue that Rafa doesn't need to shoulder MUCH of the blame IMHO.

Agree 100%

Basically, if Parry hadn't f#cked up the Simao deal twice we wouldn't have signed or needed to have signed Riera, Pennant, Benayoun, Gonzalez or Babel. Parry's a tw@t, so in one position his uselessness set us back 4 seasons and people wonder why Rafa wants control?

oh come on mate u cant be serious... thats 30sumthing million pounds worth of player ur talking about here ALL OF WHICH IM PRETTY SURE WERE THE MANAGERS CHOICE...

hes proven yet and again that hes poor when it comes to transfer dealings.. the money hes spet and the squad we have to show for it tell it all really..

yeah cause he really failed with pepe , arbeloa , agger skirtle , aurelio , sissoko , alonso , masher , torres , crouch , reira plus all the promising youngsters that have done well .players are either doing well or been sold on for profit . Every manager has success and failures in the transfer market but thank god he didnt blow 30 mil on chavchenko or a veron or blowing over a hundred million on players to sit on the bench .

stmichael wrote:

milou wrote:whether it is the case of "if we had been allowed to buy Rafa's first choice players we wouldn't be having to make do with 6.7 million pound stopgaps" or not,... it is hard to argue that Rafa doesn't need to shoulder MUCH of the blame IMHO.

Agree 100%

Basically, if Parry hadn't f#cked up the Simao deal twice we wouldn't have signed or needed to have signed Riera, Pennant, Benayoun, Gonzalez or Babel. Parry's a tw@t, so in one position his uselessness set us back 4 seasons and people wonder why Rafa wants control?

Told ya. When you've been around as long as I have you get to notice that you aren't the only one who's predictable  .

"If Parry had have got Rafa's first choices" etc  <-me trying to keep a straight face again, (whilst having a dump)  <-me having finished it.