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Wed Nov 21, 2007 2:37 pm
by account deleted by request
Bad Bob wrote:s@int wrote:Sabre wrote:It's not a matter of being bold, it's a matter of the board hands him $$$$$$$$$
Being bold won't bring you Kaka
Given the money he has been given so far, he has found a great keeper, probably the best option if you can't pay for a Casillas or a Buffon. He has found aswell a stable replacement for Hyypia and a great CB.
He has brought as well Alonso and Mascherano. Crouch may be a "squad player", but for what is worth, he is an english international.
And of course when he's been given the money he's brought Torres. With the necessary money even my 2 years niece is bold.
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He's had the money Sabre, in the summer he bought Lucas £5m + Babel £11m + Benayoun £5m = circa £21m, and while they are all decent buys(maybe great buys one day) its open to argument whether he should have blown his wad on one top quality player rather than 3 players who arn't of that calibre (yet).
Same the season before, he went for Pennant £7m, Bellamy £6m and Kuyt £10m = circa £23m, in hindsight maybe he would have been better buying just the one player (either a top winger or a top striker)
This diversification of funds has arguably given us a very strong squad but without the necessary extra quality required if we are to win the League.
In other words, you usually get what you pay for, "pay peanuts and you get monkeys"
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I'm with you in mildly questioning the wisdom of some of this summer's signings. Babel and Lucas, for instance, might turn into brilliant players down the line but if we had looked elsewhere and gotten one player the calibre of Torres to play out wide, I would have been happier.
Last season's signings are a different matter for me, though. First, we need to acknowledge that the budget was still pretty tight and there were many gaps to fill. A season of Gerrard and Cisse on the right showed that we needed an RM--if only to back Stevie up if Rafa decided to continue with him out there (which he did at first). In addition, Morientes hadn't settled and Cisse wasn't good enough by just about everyone's estimation at the time (although that might be an interesting discussion to revisit in light of his scoring record compared to what we've had since
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). So, we needed to sign two strikers. Given how expensive top creative players are, I don't think Rafa could have done much better with the money available. Add to that the fact that a player like Kuyt looked very promising on paper/youtube (
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) and Bellamy had bags of Premiership experience and was in good form and I don't think they were bargain barrel buys at the time. As for top strikers, one look at how Shevchenko's got on at Chelsea tells me that there's no guarantees there either. So, while I'm disappointed last season's signings didn't have the impact we hoped, I do think they made sense at the time.
Hmmm I am not so sure Bob , even without keeping Morientes (worth a discussion on its own) we would still have had Crouch , Fowler, Pongole and Garcia, while I don't think many were overwhelmed with Kuyt's performances at the WC, and many including me had doubts about Bellamy.
Easy in hindsight I know, but we may have been better struggling with what we had for a season if it meant we got a top class player in(either striker or winger), rather than more squad fillers.
Thats basically what I am saying Owzt, but I find it interesting that we have spent so much on players who are nothing more than squad players. Which leads me back to my point (in another thread)about using a rotation system (22+ players) costs much more than a normal squad (16 players and backup of reserves)
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Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:44 pm
by Toffeehater
I feel we are good enough to win the title and i don't think we need to splurge on a second creative striker .. instead of playing riise on the left flank stick a natural winger back there , kewell and if he does well at the end of the season , reward him with a new contract . That leaves the central midfield , stick alonso and masch in the middle and juz rotation one of them with lucas n momo , stick gerrard on the right and thats where we will get the best out of him .. Torres is our main man upfront and at the rate with kuyt below par performances i feel babel should be given the chance to play with torres upfront . With both their pace and babel's trickery i think we can beat any defence , is just a matter of playing the players in the right positions .. Our defence is solid carra and agger at the heart , riise should be stuck back at the left and finnian at the right ocassionally being replaced by arbeloa or aurelio for riise .. We have a big squad with strength in dept and yossi can play on the right at times with resting gerrard against lesser capable teams ... if we are able or rafa is able to do this , yes then we have a very good chnace of winning the league and if it does not work then , it could be two things , the players are not performing or we need a change of mangement then , if we do fall a few points off the leaders then perhaps all we need is a season or two with maybe a quality striker like saint said , someone like torres who can chnage a game for us against fulham, chelsea ....
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Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:56 pm
by banana
England has the same problem as Liverpool. There is no midfield. No pressure. No playmaker. Lampard. Barry. Gerrard. Pathetic.
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Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:16 pm
by imouthep
[In Liverpool Mascherano and Alonso are miles better than Gerrard]
How many times has stevie risen up to lead us home to victory? Too many times to mention so to say that there are miles better is a little harsh. Can Mascherano score goals ? can alonso score 10 - 15 a season? I don't think so. They are not bad players because of this its just that you can't rate them on these attributes. If you took mascherano and looked at how many goals he directly caused in a season he would look pretty terrible but as a fan we know that he is not in the side to do this. Masch is the bulldog, Alonso orchistrates and gerrard finishes.
That is what balance is all about in a football team.
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Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:24 pm
by imouthep
Who comes in next then? Is there anybody out there willing and able to take the job?