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Fri Jun 10, 2005 1:26 pm
by 115-1073096938
Out of the ones you mentioned they are probably the ones that aren't debatable.
The only one who didn't score more than Baros was Smith and that was because he didn't play as many games.
I find it quite laughable the fact you sit there and say Baros is even nearly in the same class as Defoe. Defoe's on a different level altogether.
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Fri Jun 10, 2005 1:28 pm
by LFC #1
I think the lad needs to take his red tinted glasses off and relaise their are many better players out their in some positions than what we have got.
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Fri Jun 10, 2005 4:38 pm
by banana
I must say I'm really surprised after reading through this thread. It seems more than 90% of the people participating in the discussion are against Baros. Then he must be a bad player, right? Or is the majority wrong?
Based on goal statistics Baros has not impressed. He has 9 league goals in 22 starts. Not super, but decent enough I guess.
What more can statistics say? He has won us 65 free kicks, not bad I must say, a lot of them in dangerous positions. His good control and work rate make him a hard player to handle for defenders. They often pull him to the ground instead of letting Baros go past them and have a go at goal. Some of these free kicks has produced real goal scoring opportunities and goals.
What can't statistics say? Statistics can't show how much effort a player put into the game. Here Baros ranks among the very best. He is always 100%. And this is something I personally appreciate a lot. I can't stand to see players not putting in work, or players not being able to do so because of their poor level of fitness.
Runs. Baros makes more runs than any other player (except Riise maybe). This is important. The defenders do not like a striker like that. They must run more too, and their legs will tire. This also makes more space for other players and open up the defence. If the striker moves around a lot, we would definately see more goals from midfield.
Teamwork. I don't think Baros is as selfish as some people claim. If he was selfish, he would most definately not make all those runs. He would try to stay as close as possible to the box, and let the other players do the hard work. This would probably guarantee him more goals, as his legs would be more fresh, and he would be in more dangerous positions in front of the goal in larger parts of the game.
Contribution. Baros was one of the best players in our european campaign. When we played top teams like Juventus and Chelsea Baros's wild dog attitude chasing the ball like he was insane made it difficult for the opposition to involve their defenders in the attack and build up. Baros just did not allow that to happen. And he had come really valuable assist didn't he? Setting up Garcia's goal against Chelsea, and slotting the ball to Gerrard earning us a penalty? You can't take that away from him.
To sum up. I am surprised by the one-sidedness of the debate. Baros has a lot to offer, he is not all bad as some claim. He is a top striker.
For me, I am not so sure if it is a good or a bad thing if he leaves. I am not saying he is irreplacable, few are. It is all a matter of how much money a sale will bring in and who Baros is replaced with. If Baros leaves then Liverpool must replace him with a PROVEN goalscorer with EXPERIENCE. Cisse is still much of a question mark, and Morientes did not set the world alight last year did he?
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Fri Jun 10, 2005 5:00 pm
by JBG
Baros is the kid in school who knows he's gut lungs like a horse and can run all day with the ball. The thing is, most professional footballers get over that when they are 15.
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Fri Jun 10, 2005 5:02 pm
by taff
Bit of both Id imagine. Baros does work hard for the team, ok fair enough to criticise him for a number of attributes to his game but he does work hard for the team. IMO players in the shop window dont always do that so the guy gets my respect.
Whether he will be here in a couple of months or not is another thing. Personally I just dont think its working out for him and dont think itys the right player at the right time for us as things are developing but I will always think of him as someone who gave his all