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Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:37 pm
by dawson99
owners and manager... both have made some stupid things happen lately
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Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:57 pm
by dawson99
Wasn't saying you dude, just everyone who mentions him mentions Valencia... just gets boring.
we're in trouble lads, our football is poor, our team is poor, we are gonna struggle with a top 4...
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Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:27 pm
by NANNY RED
Some might get a glimpse of what they wish for on Teusday night, Im sorry but Sky are absolute Shi.te.for doing this, They said before Klinsman is gonna be there when we play Lyon dissgussing with the other soft olly pundits about us, Cheeky ge.ts
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Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:35 pm
by kunilson
Alonso leaving unsettled us, but no way can the rest of the players who did so well last season use that as an excuse. we've just had too many of our more important players in a bad way at the moment. and it is taking its toll as we can all see. rafa and the owners (especially) are also not without fault.........this week is very important because of the confidence it can give us, its there for the taking we just need to win the next 2 games by any means necessary, and really move on from there...
as for the whole rafa thing, im sure enough has been said about him for players who are coming into our team to expect what he's like.....and most of them say they admire him and his style or whatnot before they come anyway, i just dont see why they wouldnt want to impress him as much as us fans.
didnt want to re-prioritise the season's objectives this early, none of us do. there is still a long way to go, and as long as other teams are stuttering like chelsea, and man city today it can only be good....really need a consistent run and quick tho....other wise its plan B. hope for a good cup run and pray man u dont win the league. still confident we will finish top 4 tho.
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Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:12 pm
by bigmick
I think talk of "we'll never win the league with these owners" is slightly missing the point. You could also argue that as we would have won it last season "had Torres and Gerrard been fit more often" or we "hadn't spunked it" (whichever way you prefer to look at it), it's not even true really.
Whatever though, the reason it's missing the point is that NOBODY IS DEMANDING THAT WE WIN THE LEAGUE THIS SEASON, PEOPLE ARE JUST LOOKING FOR A DECENT GO AT IT.
Winning the league is very difficult, more so now that man City have been thrown into the mix. I'm not in all seriousness counting Sunderland as being in the mix as I've noticed one or two have started to, or even Spurs. Spurs were bottom of the league with two points and wondering where their next bowl of babyfood was coming from this time last season, while we were top. If they truly have vaulted over us by virtue of the fact they've bought a couple of strikers off Portsmouth (one of them a Liverpool cast off), a bloke who we had no time for whatsoever and couldn't wait to be rid of and a bloke out of Wigans midfield, then either Redknapp is Shankly reincarnated or Rafa truly is a clown and should be sacked immediately. I fully expect, big style, that we get back above Sunderland, Spurs, Villa and the like. Like I say, nobody is demanding we win the league this season. What fans are asking for though, is a challenge. Winning it is hard, winning it without challenging for it is impossible.
Fans are asking for at least a feeling that we might challenge for it fairly consistently. We were within barely a handful of points last term, and Man Utd lost the best player in the World and one of the best strikers in the World (for 80 million quid, one of them they didn't get any money for), and replaced them Antonio Valencia and Michael Owen for 18 million quid combined. Chelsea who we finished above signed one player for 18 million quid who hasn't figured yet. Arsenal who we finished above sold their best striker for 25 million quid, their best defender for 12 million quid and bought an unknown centre half for 10 million quid. We've sold two players for 33 million, and bought two players for 36 million. OK it would have been nice to have spent 68 million, but you can hardly argue that we've been massively outgunned. I even heard mention of Villa "splashing out" lol. They sold their best player by miles for a relative song, and have picked up centre halves who were struggling to figure for Man City and West Ham respectively, as well as a kid from Leeds.
Now of course it's early days yet, and we may still challenge. Come on guys though, lets be serious as the season progresses. If we challenge again and play anywhere near as well as last season, I should think most people would have no problem with saying we are playing the best football we've seen Liverpool play for many a year. I said it myself last season many times. If we don't though, if we truly are nowhere near, then surely there comes a time when looking at it sensibly becomes an OK thing to do? Last season it was because Torres was injured too often (even though the previous season he wasn't and scored 30 goals but we still came nowhere), this season Torres has been fit so it isn't that, ah so it must be the owners and we've been outspent (even though we haven't).
I know they'll be banging out the old "RAFA, RAF-AYE-ELLE" on Tuesday night and imploring those around them to get in behind the manager and the team. I hope the fans do so as well because feck me we need all the help we can get at the moment. In the cold light of day though, on forums and away from the ground, unless things turn around sharply I get the distinct impression it's all going to end in tears.