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Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:42 am
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Owzat wrote:In fairness saint we had Skrtel, Carra and Agger missing through bad timing of circumstance, we do have enough CBs we didn't have enough available. I'm not sure what's with playing Kuyt on the wing mind, rather reminiscent of Cisse and other past strikers played out of position
For the CB's that is exactly my point Owzat, as for playing Kuyt on the wing, he played on the wing against Inter and did ok , Rafa tried to play with as few changes as possible. To indicate it was because our squad is not good enough is what I was laughing at.
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Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:47 am
by bigmick
It's one of the paradox's of the Rafa debate, that the people who think Rafa is doing a great job by and large think the squad is very ordinary, whereas those who think his methodology is wide of the mark think the squad is pretty good. I am fairly and squarly in the second camp, and think the manager can be criticised for many things but by and large has built a group of players which is plenty good enough to be competitive in the League. We seemingly have the capability to beat just about anybody in Europe so I can't really go for this "but the squads not good enough" line which gets trotted out every time we concede a couple of goals against a team which is a couple of divisions or more below us, at Home.
Unquestionably there are areas of the squad which need strengthening, but I don't follow the mantra of the "Rafa is actually doing a good job" group that it's rubbish. Equally, after four years I take the view that if the squad of players really isn't good enough to see off the likes of Barnsley, Havant and Waterlooville etc etc in the Cups and Everton and man City in the league with some comfort, then it probably makes sense to have a look at the bloke who has put the squad of players together, trains them, motivates them etc etc. No, theres too many contradictions in the stance that Rafa is great but our squads not, and even though he put it together it's not his fault at all and even though it's not we'll probably win the Champions League, but you are a bile spouting spanner if you expect us to ever mount a title challenge with thevery same bunch of players which may win that Champions League for me. Similarly, i can't quite get my head around this idea that poor old rafa has to play Kuyt on the wing because all the wingers atre useless and its not his fault at all even though he bought them. It's way too confusing.
I actually like Kuyt on the left wing (I decided this after i saw him play there against Inter). I think he's better than anybody else we've got there at the moment. That's because we haven't got a wide midfielder of genuine quality at the club (with the obvious exception of the captain). If that renders the squad incapable of doing anything in English football (which it emphatically doesn't in my view) then it's probably because we haven't bought the right players. Out there I know but that's how I see it to be perfectly honest.
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Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:09 pm
by Sabre
A note on Kuyt, yesterday he worked hard, but also set up two goals to Torres, one with a simple pass but that has to be done, and the second one with a very good long ball.
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Sun Feb 24, 2008 4:39 pm
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maguskwt wrote:s@int wrote:maguskwt wrote:the irony is that in reality it is you who seem to be having a few problems grasping things because my post was a tongue-in-cheek response to big mick's post which was itself a sarcastic remark towards emerald's post... even though I maintain that our squad IS not good enought that can be discussed in other threads (for eg. why did rafa CHOOSE to play kuyt as a winger? he took pity on him and let him play in a position where he will have more time instead of our awesome wingers? or perhaps maybe he's not too impressed with out wingers themselves? )... get a grip saint...
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I understood exactly what your post was, more drivel. Our squads not good enough because we had to play Arbeloa and Hyypia
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We had to play Kuyt on the wing
Get a clue lad
oh yeah ok... so why DID we play kuyt as a winger? dont' pms too much... ![laugh :laugh:](https://www.liverpoolfc-newkit.co.uk/images/smilies/laugh.gif)
I think you will find it was because Rafa picked him and told him to play there.