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mattylfc wrote:I think there has been some really good points made in this thread after getting through some of the nonsense. Personally, if there is little change by the end of the season then unfortunately Rafa must go.

One thing i want to make clear is that i really rate Rafa as a manager and he has proved himself as one of the best mangers in the world in my eyes. Whilst he is still in charge, he has my full support as manager and if i was to wake up tomorrow and read that Rafa had gone i would be truly gutted.

Quite a lot of the earlier posters were suggesting that anyone that queries rafas future doesnt care about the club and Rafa as a person. This is completely untrue in my case, i am just realistic and will always put the club before anyone else and if that means Rafa making way then unfortunately thats the way it will have to be.

Like everyone else on here we have reached the highest standards and seen some of the best football played at the highest level. For a long time now i have been very disapointed with our style of play and the way in which we approach games.  We as a club have been notorious for an exciting style of play and a never say die attitude and that seems to have disappeared lately.

Too many times i have seen us turn up against weaker opposition under Rafa and planned our team around them. Obviously we always need to take certain things into consideration but we should be at a level by now where we need not worry too much about what the opposition do. We should go out to win every single game.

With regards to signings, Rafa has bought in some unbelievable players who will hopefully be here for years to come but i also feel that too often he has bridged gaps with signings and hasnt nailed those key players that we still require. I know that we have had problems with money at times and there is obviously tension in the background at the moment but i still believe that we can free up a lot of money in the sales of average existing players coupled with money from other areas.

Im not someone who believes that you have to go out and spend top amounts for the sake of it but i am someone that can see that if we were to sell two or three players in which we could get substantial cash for and then go and buy three top class players ( in the calibre of Torres), we would be so much closer to the top three than we are now.  I want Rafa to sign players that he feels he cannot drop because they are simply that good and are important to the team.

Rafa has shown already that in a one off games we can beat anyone on our day but over the season we just dont have the same consistancy or the quality of players to cope with the demands of the premier league.
I really do hope that Rafa is the man to turn things around for us but if i am completely honest, i just cant see it happening.

Sensible post mate....  

mattylfc wrote:I think there has been some really good points made in this thread after getting through some of the nonsense. Personally, if there is little change by the end of the season then unfortunately Rafa must go.

One thing i want to make clear is that i really rate Rafa as a manager and he has proved himself as one of the best mangers in the world in my eyes. Whilst he is still in charge, he has my full support as manager and if i was to wake up tomorrow and read that Rafa had gone i would be truly gutted.

Quite a lot of the earlier posters were suggesting that anyone that queries rafas future doesnt care about the club and Rafa as a person. This is completely untrue in my case, i am just realistic and will always put the club before anyone else and if that means Rafa making way then unfortunately thats the way it will have to be.

Like everyone else on here we have reached the highest standards and seen some of the best football played at the highest level. For a long time now i have been very disapointed with our style of play and the way in which we approach games.  We as a club have been notorious for an exciting style of play and a never say die attitude and that seems to have disappeared lately.

Too many times i have seen us turn up against weaker opposition under Rafa and planned our team around them. Obviously we always need to take certain things into consideration but we should be at a level by now where we need not worry too much about what the opposition do. We should go out to win every single game.

With regards to signings, Rafa has bought in some unbelievable players who will hopefully be here for years to come but i also feel that too often he has bridged gaps with signings and hasnt nailed those key players that we still require. I know that we have had problems with money at times and there is obviously tension in the background at the moment but i still believe that we can free up a lot of money in the sales of average existing players coupled with money from other areas.

Im not someone who believes that you have to go out and spend top amounts for the sake of it but i am someone that can see that if we were to sell two or three players in which we could get substantial cash for and then go and buy three top class players ( in the calibre of Torres), we would be so much closer to the top three than we are now.  I want Rafa to sign players that he feels he cannot drop because they are simply that good and are important to the team.

Rafa has shown already that in a one off games we can beat anyone on our day but over the season we just dont have the same consistancy or the quality of players to cope with the demands of the premier league.
I really do hope that Rafa is the man to turn things around for us but if i am completely honest, i just cant see it happening.

LittleHobo wrote:i think the liverpool fans are becoming too soft

here is the only fact that matters because we cant have them nasty mancs beating our league championship wins record

1. rafa has been here 4 years and we have as yet NOT challenged for the title

how many more years do the fans think this is acceptable?

puroresu wrote:

Igor Zidane wrote:Can we make the distinction then please , when people say rafa isn't good enough in there opinion . He must be sacked because we havent challenged for the league and that's all you want , never mind any other comps , it's the league or nothing  else , NAIL YOUR COLOURS TO THE MAST NOW . If we don't challenge for the league ,never mind win the fecker . Rafa must go. Whatever happens this season ,we will not challenge for the league and Rafa's not going to change his ways , so he must be sacked . No proviso's ,he's got to go . Am i correct in my assessment.

Of course other competitions matter but regardless of the cups I really fail to see how after 4 years not being in the title race beyond christmas is acceptable.  Surely this only goes to show that when it comes to the task of winning games week in week out rafa has failed to get a side capable of doing so.  I am not saying lets challenge for the title and then fail in Europe and in the FA cup.  However correct me if I'm wrong there was plenty fans on here who after we struggled in the CL were saying "I don't care if we go out 1st round, we can concentrate on the league". Now its all change though as the league as gone so they the CL suddenly is priority.  We are LFC being manager of LFC comes with expectation.  I don't see how expecting the side to be competitive in Europe and at the minimum fighting for the title is too much to ask.  If we were in the race for the title I would be fine with that.  Just after 4 seasons I have lost faith in rafa being able to ever mount a really serious title challenge.

Igor Zidane wrote:

puroresu wrote:

Igor Zidane wrote:Can we make the distinction then please , when people say rafa isn't good enough in there opinion . He must be sacked because we havent challenged for the league and that's all you want , never mind any other comps , it's the league or nothing  else , NAIL YOUR COLOURS TO THE MAST NOW . If we don't challenge for the league ,never mind win the fecker . Rafa must go. Whatever happens this season ,we will not challenge for the league and Rafa's not going to change his ways , so he must be sacked . No proviso's ,he's got to go . Am i correct in my assessment.

Of course other competitions matter but regardless of the cups I really fail to see how after 4 years not being in the title race beyond christmas is acceptable.  Surely this only goes to show that when it comes to the task of winning games week in week out rafa has failed to get a side capable of doing so.  I am not saying lets challenge for the title and then fail in Europe and in the FA cup.  However correct me if I'm wrong there was plenty fans on here who after we struggled in the CL were saying "I don't care if we go out 1st round, we can concentrate on the league". Now its all change though as the league as gone so they the CL suddenly is priority.  We are LFC being manager of LFC comes with expectation.  I don't see how expecting the side to be competitive in Europe and at the minimum fighting for the title is too much to ask.  If we were in the race for the title I would be fine with that.  Just after 4 seasons I have lost faith in rafa being able to ever mount a really serious title challenge.

So i'll take that as a yes then , sack him at the end of the season .

puroresu wrote:

Igor Zidane wrote:

puroresu wrote:

Igor Zidane wrote:Can we make the distinction then please , when people say rafa isn't good enough in there opinion . He must be sacked because we havent challenged for the league and that's all you want , never mind any other comps , it's the league or nothing  else , NAIL YOUR COLOURS TO THE MAST NOW . If we don't challenge for the league ,never mind win the fecker . Rafa must go. Whatever happens this season ,we will not challenge for the league and Rafa's not going to change his ways , so he must be sacked . No proviso's ,he's got to go . Am i correct in my assessment.

Of course other competitions matter but regardless of the cups I really fail to see how after 4 years not being in the title race beyond christmas is acceptable.  Surely this only goes to show that when it comes to the task of winning games week in week out rafa has failed to get a side capable of doing so.  I am not saying lets challenge for the title and then fail in Europe and in the FA cup.  However correct me if I'm wrong there was plenty fans on here who after we struggled in the CL were saying "I don't care if we go out 1st round, we can concentrate on the league". Now its all change though as the league as gone so they the CL suddenly is priority.  We are LFC being manager of LFC comes with expectation.  I don't see how expecting the side to be competitive in Europe and at the minimum fighting for the title is too much to ask.  If we were in the race for the title I would be fine with that.  Just after 4 seasons I have lost faith in rafa being able to ever mount a really serious title challenge.

So i'll take that as a yes then , sack him at the end of the season .

I do think its time for a change.

Emerald Red wrote:

maguskwt wrote:

redtrader74 wrote:Happy scrappies FFS another label Mick??!! How about 'The fickle Faithless!' just as silly.

All those in favour of removing Rafa and the only name that crops up as a replacement is Mourinho, and its said as though he is waiting in the wings ready to take over. IMHO he will NEVER come to LFC as manager (keep dreaming) and why would he? he has already cut his teeth at Porto with average funds, although in their League he was still the biggest spender, has been at a Club where he had a blank cheque, he probably has one big job in him, and is not going to be at LFC, poor funds, no stability. If G&H couldn't swallow Rafas' mildest words of dissent what chance of reigning in Mourinho?

So think again and come up with some new names....oh let me think.....in all the monthes of wanting Rafa out by a variety of posters NO VIABLE ALTERNATIVES have ever been mentioned, and don't forget the minimum criteria, European experience with some success, winner of a top League, Worldwide respect, young enough to build for the future. I suppose that counts out Dave Jones and Paul Jewell 

If we win nothing this year and do not reach a final it will be a poor season, (enough to get rid of Rafa?) the previous three years have been in general successful campaigns and have added a lustre to the Liverpool name. They'll be dancing in the aisles at the next Club that Rafa goes to if G&H get their way, and only then will some realise how good a manager he is.

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I thought you were one of the ones that wanted him out?

yes... after 2 more seasons... 

Ciggy wrote:Allas the time has come he has to go.