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Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:34 am
by Ciggy
We where very poor in our pre season games, we have lost our best player from last season. All our spainish entourage was away all summer.
Rafa didnt get Tevez or Silva two players he really wanted to add an extra dimention to our attack but them b@stard owners wouldnt release funds for us to buy another world class attacker.
And even though Glen Johnson has added an another attacking option, Carra was used to the protection that Arbeloa offered us, hence his nervous start to the season and Skyrtels loss of form.
Whether Rafa should have bought a fit midfielder instead of Aquillani time will tell, hardly none of us have seen him play yet so I will reserve my judgement on him, but if he slots in and does an Alonso job then it was the correct decision to buy him.
Its ok pointing the finger at Rafa but the players and owners also have a lot to answer to, tired players being on internationals and owners not investing in better players.
And when people are slagging Rafa off they forget the other factors.
We are still the same side as last season minus our midfield maestro, I feel that result against the mancs will lift us now our side is capable of going on a 10 game winning streak, confidence will be high now and the team just need to believe in themselves.
What is imperitive in january is that we buy another striker, Torres cannot play every single game and if everyone is pulling and working together fans included then we will win a trophy this season, dont ask me which one but we will.
Get behind the manager and the players and that will heap huge rewards.
Another thing I forgot to add is in January Chelsea will lose around 4 or 5 players to the African Nations, they will miss Drogba, Essien and co, they will also get injuries and bans, so even tho they are flyin high now that will not last the season.
The mancs havent been playing well either and an injury or 3 match ban for Rooney will see them go into free fall.
You can lose 24/28 points in a season and still win the league, if you think I am going to give up on us winning the league in October then think again. Never write the tricky reds off never.
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Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:02 am
by phil_cool
I didn't start the insults, I didn't insult five or six members because their opinion differed from mine. So just who is showing disrespect? Maybe you have a different idea of hypocrisy but when one person is calling people dimwits and c.unts for no other reason than they offered a different opinion and then someone else tries to cast the blame elsewhere ....... that is hypocricy.
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Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:07 am
by Owzat
Let's see if our form has been that impressive. I'm going to base results instead on last season's finishing positions of 1st-25th (with 21st, 22nd and 25th being promoted sides) This is better than basing it on early season form where positions can be somewhat false.
LIVERPOOL 09/10 PREMIERSHIP RESULTS BY 08/09 STANDINGS
01-04 : P2 W1 D0 L1 F2 A2 PTS 3 (1.50 Pts/Game)
05-10 : P3 W1 D0 L2 F5 A7 PTS 3 (1.00 Pts/Game)
11-17 : P4 W3 D0 L1 F13 A4 PTS 9 (2.25 Pts/Game)
18-20 : N/A
21-25 : P1 W1 D0 L0 F4 A0 PTS 3 (3.00 Pts/Game)
So in five games against sides that finished in the top half this season we've picked up two wins, six points and just seven goals, in the five games against sides that finished in the bottom half or got promoted last season we've picked up four wins and 17 goals
01-10 : P5 W2 D0 L3 F7 A9 PTS 6 (1.20 Pts/Game, 1.40 goals/game)
11-25 : P5 W4 D0 L1 F17 A4 PTS 12 (2.40 Pts/Game, 3.40 goals/game)
One of this season's two wins against last season's top 10 was over struggling West Ham, I seriously doubt wins over Hull, Stoke, Bolton or Burnley are so impressive someone would argue that makes everything ok. West Ham finished 10th, Stoke 12th, Bolton 13th and Hull narrowly avoided relegation in 17th while Burnley finished 5th in the Championship and came up via the play-offs.
Even if you look at results by current position it doesn't look much better
01 : Chelsea L0-2
02 : Man Utd W2-0
04 : Tottenham L1-2
07 : A Villa L1-3
08 : Sunderland L0-1
09 : Stoke W4-0
11 : Burnley W4-0
12 : Bolton W3-2
18 : West Ham W3-2
19 : Hull W6-1
01-10 : P6 W2 D0 L4 F8 A8 PTS 6 (Pts/Game 1.00, Goals/Game 1.33)
11-20 : P4 W4 D0 L0 F16 A5 PTS 12 (Pts/Game 3.00, Goals/Game 4.00)
But that aside, I looked at up and coming fixtures. IF we were to win our next six league fixtures, including games against Fulham, Arsenal (h), bitters, Citeh, Swine Flu Rovers and Brum, then we could make a lot of ground on the top two as Chelsea play the mancs, Citeh and Arsenal away, while the mancs play Chelsea. So if Chelsea beat the mancs and lose away to Citeh and Arsenal then that could leave us within a point of those teams. But it is a big if, the way we're playing to win 100% of six games is a big ask when we've won only 60% of all our league games this season and haven't won more than five league games in a row since 2005/06 - made no easier by our predicament in Europe where we've used up our losses and another loss could make qualifying very difficult. Europe has always had some impact on our league form, last season we coped as the costliest league dip happened after the group stages and the knockouts only began one game before the end of that dip - hence we won 4-0 at Anfield against Real Madrid then 4-1 at old twatford. Our only other CL game away from home was in London, lost that tie overall by a poor home display