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Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:21 pmby 66-1112520797
Has been a great player for us.
And altough he's had a couple of decent games for us, he cant maintain those performances at a sustained high level IMO anymore.
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Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:15 pmby Owzat
Bamaga man wrote:Has been a great player for us.
And altough he's had a couple of decent games for us, he cant maintain those performances at a sustained high level IMO anymore.
Exactly. The games we've been properly tested in we've conceded and/or lost. The most impressive result defensively was the 0-0 at Blackburn, I think some people are getting a tad carried away by 'to nil' wins over Besiktas, Fulham and Newcastle. Before that it was SIX games without a clean sheet and wasn't Sami on a hat-trick of own goals at one stage?
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Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:18 pmby Big Niall
Everyone knows he has been a great player but I really think he is a liability now.
Unfortunately there can be no room for sentiment and the 2007 Sami is not good enough.
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Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:20 pmby Toffeehater
Owzat wrote:Bamaga man wrote:Has been a great player for us.
And altough he's had a couple of decent games for us, he cant maintain those performances at a sustained high level IMO anymore.
Exactly. The games we've been properly tested in we've conceded and/or lost. The most impressive result defensively was the 0-0 at Blackburn, I think some people are getting a tad carried away by 'to nil' wins over Besiktas, Fulham and Newcastle. Before that it was SIX games without a clean sheet and wasn't Sami on a hat-trick of own goals at one stage?
hat trick , they were less capable teams but Newcastle have a great strike force and should be exploiting the weak link in our def it is sami yea , due to his lack of pace but , i think that our defenders have started to gel especially carra and hypia . keeping clean sheets in the last three games , but there is still room for improvement , although i cannot see sami holding down the fist 11 spot with agger close to fitness , i feel that sami shud be given a run it against team like bolton , birmingham , sunderland , derby .. end of the season , i see sami leaving , sad to see him go but its for the best . he will always be a legend at this club
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:22 pmby Owzat
Anyone still convinced Sami isn't past it? Come the latter stages, if we get there, those kind of lapses could cost us dear
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:32 pmby Fowler_E7
I think there is still room for Sammi, he's still great in the air and has great positional sense, he' ll never lose that, though he clearly seems to struggle with playing 2 games a week now. Earlier in the season when everyone was on his back i though it was harsh, everyone was blaming hyypia when Carragher was just as bad IMO.
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:55 pmby Sabre
While I wouldn't use "fantastic" to describe Hyypia's job during this Agger injury, I do use the word "good". He has shown we can rely on him. He scored two own goals, but those ones are more a matter of luck than anything. Speed? it wasn't never his forte, but I think he has shown he's more than ready to be used when required.
People insist much in his pace, but it's only fair to notice how much balls he touches with his head when he goes up to corners and situations like that. Much more than Carra for instance, and it's always a threat. I'm surprised he didn't score yesterday because Porto's defence of corners was an authentic joke. I was happy because we are scoring from corners which is something we were not doing. Those situations are very important, a decent job like Porto's can be ruined if you don't do the homework on this situations.
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:07 pmby account deleted by request
You have to have a little sympathy for Hyypia, he was probably expecting a nice gentle season with the odd game here and there against mainly lesser opposition or sides with no pace who play high balls into the box. Instead of which he has been asked to play 2 games a week against fast strikers and to be fair I think he has done a good job. I am not saying we havent missed Agger but not half as much as I expected.
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:11 pmby Bad Bob
Owzat wrote:Anyone still convinced Sami isn't past it? Come the latter stages, if we get there, those kind of lapses could cost us dear
I'm far from convinced he's past it and I wonder why you think it's so obvious? You're the man with the stats so why not give us a sense of how many goals we've conceded since he's stepped in for Agger (first Porto match, if memory recalls)?
As Sabre' said, he's not let us down at the back and he's provided a bona fide goal threat on set pieces. In fact, I was just thinking today how bloody lucky we are that he wanted to stay this summer and fight for his place. I'd hate to think how we would have coped with Agger's absence without him.
I'm starting to think you have an irrational contempt for lanky, blonde players!
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:35 pmby dawson99
hes not lost it, great ambassador for us, one of our best buys ever... but hes not exactly one for the future... think this is is his last season...next he will be a bit player if he stays with us... which is a shame.
would like to see players like him stay on as coaches as he has got a LOT to offer
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 6:01 pmby jeff capes
sami is god who came down and answer all our prayers when we had such loser clowns in defence.
i'll never forget the season we won the treble, the way he dealt with rivaldo with such ease .
we have to win the league before he is past it.
it would be a shame for a true liverpool legend not to win the league.
even if he becomes past it i want him at liverpool to win that league title
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 6:56 pmby banana
Hyypia is way past it. His dreadful mistakes against Porto could have lost us two goals. Besides poor passing he is a big liability with his lack of pace. There is a desperate need for a new defender in january to replace Hyypia. As long as Hyypia is in the team I always fear losing goals and games because of him.
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Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:48 amby Scottbot
banana wrote:Hyypia is way past it. His dreadful mistakes against Porto could have lost us two goals. Besides poor passing he is a big liability with his lack of pace. There is a desperate need for a new defender in january to replace Hyypia. As long as Hyypia is in the team I always fear losing goals and games because of him.
Change the record mate, isn't that your first post in ages? Take a look at our defensive record the past 6/7 games and tell me it isn't excellent. Don't try and make out Sami is some sort of passenger, you can't get away with carrying players in your back 4. You never have shown him ANY respect.
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Fri Nov 30, 2007 1:26 pmby stmichael
banana wrote:Hyypia is way past it. His dreadful mistakes against Porto could have lost us two goals. Besides poor passing he is a big liability with his lack of pace. There is a desperate need for a new defender in january to replace Hyypia. As long as Hyypia is in the team I always fear losing goals and games because of him.
this from the guy who thought baros was a better player than owen.
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Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:14 pmby JamCar05
Scottbot wrote:banana wrote:Hyypia is way past it. His dreadful mistakes against Porto could have lost us two goals. Besides poor passing he is a big liability with his lack of pace. There is a desperate need for a new defender in january to replace Hyypia. As long as Hyypia is in the team I always fear losing goals and games because of him.
Change the record mate, isn't that your first post in ages? Take a look at our defensive record the past 6/7 games and tell me it isn't excellent. Don't try and make out Sami is some sort of passenger, you can't get away with carrying players in your back 4. You never have shown him ANY respect.
No no, it's his SECOND post in a while... he also slated Kuyt in the Kuyt-thread after his performance against Newcastle. This I found a bit odd as well, seing as Kuyt had one of his best games in quite a while. Seems like Banana is only out to comment, when it's about slating one of our own players... what's up with that fella?