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Sat Mar 07, 2009 12:16 pmby kazza
peewee wrote:just wondering, if rafa gets to spend the same as jose did at chelsea, and we go on to win the league, will people say we bought the title and it had nothing to do with good management, just wondering
Well you certainly would!
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Sat Mar 07, 2009 12:29 pmby 112-1077774096
kazza wrote:peewee wrote:just wondering, if rafa gets to spend the same as jose did at chelsea, and we go on to win the league, will people say we bought the title and it had nothing to do with good management, just wondering
Well you certainly would!
well if you actually read my posts you would know I wouldn't say that, I don't buy into that whole buying the league thing, its won by good management and not amount spent
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Sat Mar 07, 2009 12:53 pmby supersub
peewee wrote:well if you actually read my posts you would know I wouldn't say that, I don't buy into that whole buying the league thing, its won by good management and not amount spent
Yeah! Everyone starts on an equal footing and it's only sheer brilliant managing that puts the highest spenders at the top of the league every year for the last 10 or so years ....
Put Fergie or Jose at Stoke for a season and they would be Champs by May..........money has simply no bearing on the matter 
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Sat Mar 07, 2009 12:55 pmby Ace Ventura
I see what your saying supersub, money obviously makes a massive difference but it still has to be spent properly.
You only have to look at Spurs to see money isnt the be all and end all.
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Sat Mar 07, 2009 1:00 pmby 112-1077774096
supersub wrote:peewee wrote:well if you actually read my posts you would know I wouldn't say that, I don't buy into that whole buying the league thing, its won by good management and not amount spent
Yeah! Everyone starts on an equal footing and it's only sheer brilliant managing that puts the highest spenders at the top of the league every year for the last 10 or so years ....
Put Fergie or Jose at Stoke for a season and they would be Champs by May..........money has simply no bearing on the matter
and by the same token if you put tony pullis at chelsea or the mancs they wouldn't win the league
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Sat Mar 07, 2009 1:25 pmby supersub
If you put fergie and jose at Anfield for the past 5 years they wouldn't have won the league for Liverpool
If you put Rafa at chelsea or the mancs he would have had a very healthy championship trophy haul
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Sat Mar 07, 2009 1:31 pmby 112-1077774096
supersub wrote:If you put fergie and jose at Anfield for the past 5 years they wouldn't have won the league for Liverpool
If you put Rafa at chelsea or the mancs he would have had a very healthy championship trophy haul
that i doubt
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Sat Mar 07, 2009 2:03 pmby Rockthekop
As far as I'm concerned Rafa has spent enough money to try take us that bit closer to winning the title. We are closer but far from close enough.
He has improved the squad of course to a degree, but for the funds spent we should at least have one quality RW, two quality strikers minimum and a second RB. We should have a much better squad than we do and will need to have to win the title.
I don't buy it that our position is a purely down to a lack of funds. Obviously it has some bearing, but the squad isn't as much the problem as Rafa's management skills IMO.
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Sat Mar 07, 2009 3:02 pmby LegBarnes
supersub wrote:If you put fergie and jose at Anfield for the past 5 years they wouldn't have won the league for Liverpool
If you put Rafa at chelsea or the mancs he would have had a very healthy championship trophy haul
You have good point SS but I think alot of managers have had loads of money over years and not been able to do much with it look at Real , inter , PSG , spurs , suderland just to name a few all spent alot but where are they in terms of being great teams.
But your point is soild just I think you need a half decent manager in there to build a team or you end up like man city.
Thats no pop at mark hughes who I think is great manager but is he really picking the transfers ? or is it the owners I can see that club going only 1 way turning into a real madrid. 
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Sat Mar 07, 2009 3:04 pmby tubby
peewee wrote:kazza wrote:peewee wrote:just wondering, if rafa gets to spend the same as jose did at chelsea, and we go on to win the league, will people say we bought the title and it had nothing to do with good management, just wondering
Well you certainly would!
well if you actually read my posts you would know I wouldn't say that, I don't buy into that whole buying the league thing, its won by good management and not amount spent
Yes good managment is required but the money does have a big help after all you are able to build a strong squad with many quality players to fill all positions.
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Sat Mar 07, 2009 3:06 pmby LegBarnes
bavlondon wrote:peewee wrote:kazza wrote:peewee wrote:just wondering, if rafa gets to spend the same as jose did at chelsea, and we go on to win the league, will people say we bought the title and it had nothing to do with good management, just wondering
Well you certainly would!
well if you actually read my posts you would know I wouldn't say that, I don't buy into that whole buying the league thing, its won by good management and not amount spent
Yes good managment is required but the money does have a big help after all you are able to build a strong squad with many quality players to fill all positions.
Yep every one is right here really its common sense you need a good combo of good management and nice transfer budget to make a top team if you have less of one or other you will fail.
But I do think you can make a very good team with ok players and top manager but you can make a very good team from top players and bad manager.
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Sat Mar 07, 2009 4:53 pmby account deleted by request
supersub wrote:If you put fergie and jose at Anfield for the past 5 years they wouldn't have won the league for Liverpool
If you put Rafa at chelsea or the mancs he would have had a very healthy championship trophy haul
IF they had bought the same players Rafa has, you may be right, the fact that they might possibly have bought better leaves it still open to question. We have spent £200million maybe they could have bought fewer and better players perhaps?
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Sat Mar 07, 2009 5:20 pmby tubby
s@int wrote:supersub wrote:If you put fergie and jose at Anfield for the past 5 years they wouldn't have won the league for Liverpool
If you put Rafa at chelsea or the mancs he would have had a very healthy championship trophy haul
IF they had bought the same players Rafa has, you may be right, the fact that they might possibly have bought better leaves it still open to question. We have spent £200million maybe they could have bought fewer and better players perhaps?
Maybe maybe not. For Fergie I dont think so. It's easier to lure players to Utd even if it is on the cheap as they are a side who have dominated domestically for some time now.
Jose- I have to disagree with you there. He went on one of the biggest spending sprees in history and when he did buy for less than 10Mil they were fecking shyte. Most of his big players who helped win the league for him were big money players. Drogba, 20m+, Carvalho, Essien.
Saint you cannot automatically assume they would buy better for the same money Rafa had as the dynamics of the clubs they were/are at are different to us. Chelsea are big spenders and from West London which is a popular area. Utd can argue to be the best club in the world. Not much more needs to be said than that.
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Sat Mar 07, 2009 6:06 pmby account deleted by request
bavlondon wrote:s@int wrote:supersub wrote:If you put fergie and jose at Anfield for the past 5 years they wouldn't have won the league for Liverpool
If you put Rafa at chelsea or the mancs he would have had a very healthy championship trophy haul
IF they had bought the same players Rafa has, you may be right, the fact that they might possibly have bought better leaves it still open to question. We have spent £200million maybe they could have bought fewer and better players perhaps?
Maybe maybe not. For Fergie I dont think so. It's easier to lure players to Utd even if it is on the cheap as they are a side who have dominated domestically for some time now.
Jose- I have to disagree with you there. He went on one of the biggest spending sprees in history and when he did buy for less than 10Mil they were fecking shyte. Most of his big players who helped win the league for him were big money players. Drogba, 20m+, Carvalho, Essien.
Saint you cannot automatically assume they would buy better for the same money Rafa had as the dynamics of the clubs they were/are at are different to us. Chelsea are big spenders and from West London which is a popular area. Utd can argue to be the best club in the world. Not much more needs to be said than that.
Just for a moment IMAGINE Mourinho had taken over Liverpool back in 2004.
1st season
He comes in and looks at the squad and instead of buying Josemi, Xabi and Garcia (£20million) manages to persuade Owen to stay (not impossible for a manager of his charisma ? ) He buys Cech and Robben (£19million)they were also his first purchases for Chelsea.
He doesnt buy Morientes or Carson (£8.5million)
Similar spend with no money received for Owen, but no purchase of Morientes and Carson.
Immediately he has solved two of our biggest problems, we have a top quality wide player and a top goalkeeper.
Team year one
Cech
Finnan Carra Hyypia Riise
Robben Gerrard Hamann Kewell
Owen Cisse/Baros
Not a bad side and no huge names (at the time) that we would have had great difficulty persuading to come.
Similar improvements in the second SEASON. Instead of buying FIFTEEN PLAYERS for £27million, he buys Drogba for £24million (obviously this would be a more contentious signing as he may have wanted the bright lights of London (if anyone from London had wanted him ?)
He sells Baros (same as Rafa did)
Team year two
Cech
Finnan Carra Hyypia Riise
Robben Gerrard Hamann Kewell
Owen Drogba/Cisse
Third year, instead of spending £30million on TWELVE PLAYERS Mourinho spends his money on a Left winger to replace Kewell and a Midfield player to replace Hamman. So perhaps Essien and Simao for £34million (remember he didn't lose £4million selling Morientes and he spent £3million less last season )
Team year 3
Cech
Finnan Carra Hyypia Riise
Robben Gerrard Essien Simao
Owen Drogba/Cisse
Etc etc
While its all pie in the sky rubbish tbh, I think it does emphasise my point that our money has been spread too thinly with too much quantity and not enough quality.
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Sat Mar 07, 2009 6:11 pmby tubby
It's easy to look at things from the armchair in hindsight. Robben is a good player but his character stinks and Essien has a dark streak about him I would not want either at this club. Whats to say both those players only went to chelsea becasue they saw they had loads of money so it was a given they would be surrounded by likewise talent.