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In real terms - What will be 'acceptable'?
Posted:
Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:27 pmby Owzat
We had an excellent season in 2005/6 and last season was a relative disappointment (in terms of league and domestic cups) despite the Champions League final. What does Rafa have to do this season to convince you? Will you turn on him if he fails to deliver? Is it acceptable to spend many millions and make no further progress towards the league title most of us want so badly? Do Champions League finals make up for no improvement in the league or does it simply deflect attention?
2004/5
Premiership : 5th
Champions League : Winners
FA Cup : 3rd round
League Cup : Runners-Up
2005/6
Premiership : 3rd
Champions League : Last 16
FA Cup : Winners
League Cup : 3rd round
Club World Championship : Runners-Up
European Super Cup : Winners
Community Shield : Winners
2006/7
Premiership : 3rd
Champions League : Runners-Up
FA Cup : 3rd round
League Cup : Quarter-Final
Plenty of cup finals and wins in each of his first three seasons, however many are laughing at us and writing us off as title contenders already. Knee jerks most of them mind, while some/most on here have worries we're hardly writing our title off just yet
Posted:
Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:48 pmby Sabre
Voted at least second. But I'll say more, second very close to the league title. That would be acceptable, as in little difference of points, luck counts.
Posted:
Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:51 pmby Lando_Griffin
With the amount of new signings, I'd say anything goes, tbh.
Far too much impatience these days...
Posted:
Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:52 pmby dawson99
Lando_Griffin wrote:With the amount of new signings, I'd say anything goes, tbh.
Far too much impatience these days...
dunno mate, its been a while since we won the league, im starting to fel like a newcastle fan here!
Posted:
Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:52 pmby Anfield rapper
I went for at least second. I'm not saying that if we don't get second we should get rid of Rafa. I'm saying that we need to be seeing progress in the prem and to me anything less than second would show no progress. If we were to finish outside the top 4 thats when i would become very concerned.
Posted:
Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:54 pmby weringo
Top 3 is a minimum and to do well in one of the cups.
Posted:
Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:55 pmby 66-1112520797
dawson99 wrote:Lando_Griffin wrote:With the amount of new signings, I'd say anything goes, tbh.
Far too much impatience these days...
dunno mate, its been a while since we won the league, im starting to fel like a newcastle fan here!
18 years .... Impatient ...... Oh, erh, okay.
Posted:
Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:56 pmby Leonmc0708
This place is getting more and more like .tv every day.
Joke of a question.
Posted:
Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:56 pmby Forever_Red
I chose we must finish second but part of me would accept third and a cup
Can we have third and the champs league
Posted:
Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:56 pmby Lando_Griffin
dawson99 wrote:Lando_Griffin wrote:With the amount of new signings, I'd say anything goes, tbh.
Far too much impatience these days...
dunno mate, its been a while since we won the league, im starting to fel like a newcastle fan here!
But the demands by some fans border on the ridiculous.
Next season is the time to judge this season's acquisitions IMMHO.
Posted:
Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:01 pmby dawson99
Lando_Griffin wrote:dawson99 wrote:Lando_Griffin wrote:With the amount of new signings, I'd say anything goes, tbh.
Far too much impatience these days...
dunno mate, its been a while since we won the league, im starting to fel like a newcastle fan here!
But the demands by some fans border on the ridiculous.
Next season is the time to judge this season's acquisitions IMMHO.
weve been saying that for 2 long. a manager comes in, we give him 5 years, he leaves after 4 1/2. new manager comes in, we give him 5 years.
Im not saying i expect anything in particular, maybe just some cohesian in the team, but if we aint going forwards then we're lagging behind.
Posted:
Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:01 pmby 112-1077774096
and next season we will have more new acquisitions to use as an excuse and so on and so on and so on................
Posted:
Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:03 pmby Leonmc0708
peewee wrote:and next season we will have more new acquisitions to use as an excuse and so on and so on and so on................
And you will still bemoan him at every opportunity.
Posted:
Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:04 pmby Owzat
Lando_Griffin wrote:With the amount of new signings, I'd say anything goes, tbh.
Far too much impatience these days...
Hang on a sec, lets analyse the "new signings" excuse. If Rafa signed the right players in the first place he wouldn't need to bring in a whole load of new players every season, surely the first couple of seasons should have been the foundation building seasons.
And secondly if he is spending big then surely big name players should be producing, or are we to believe players do need time to settle?
I was thinking earlier about the strikers under Rafa
Sinama Pongolle
Fowler
Morientes
Baros
Cisse
El Zhar
Mellor
Bellamy
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Crouch
Kuyt
Torres
Voronin
That's quite a lot for only three and a bit seasons, three whole SQUADs worth of strikers excluding players like Luis Garcia, Diouf, Smicer etc.
If he carries on chopping and changing every season will that entitle him to be manager as long as he likes? He may not always have had the money to bring in the players he really wanted, but then he shouldn't have splashed out on players he didn't......................... Three Skodas don't equal a Ferrari
Posted:
Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:04 pmby 66-1112520797
Leonmc0708 wrote:peewee wrote:and next season we will have more new acquisitions to use as an excuse and so on and so on and so on................
And you will still bemoan him at every opportunity.
And you will still say everything is rosey.