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by **66-1112520797** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:07 am

I think this transfer rumor has cooled down as rafa has not made any other bids for barry as of yet . Barry is a good player , and like stu has said maybe alonso's equal and to answer his question to why we are selling him is because , alonso is out of form and there is a decent offer on the table and the manager is going to take it , and replace him with a more consistent player

Sums it about about Barry being consistent and Xabi out of form.

Like you say maybe Rafa is thnking twice about going in and bidding for Barry again. I have no problem with Rafa selling Alonso and using the money from that to put towards Barry. Alonso is class on his day, but I honestly think we've got more chance of seeing the ice-caps disapear before we have to wait for the Spaniard to discover his form in a Liverpool shirt. I know form is temp and class is permanent and all that. But for me Gerrard, Torres, Mascha and Carra are a class above Alonso IMO, in that they produce class performances on consistent basis. And if one of them does have a dip in form, I'd guarentee you it wouldnt take them the best part of two years to rediscover it.

Going back to the Barry transfer, I'd be happy if Rafa sold Alonso and brought in Barry BUT also bringing in a couple of quality players in the Silva, Arshavin ilk (Who I havent seen, but going by some of the others on here talking about him, who know there football he must be decent enough) or even another striker like Podolski.

I'll be honest and say that I'd be dissapointed in Rafa if he made barry is sole major target for the summer. Not dissapointed in Barry, but dissapointed in Rafa for not addressing the more serious issues of the flanks and possibly another striker becuase TBF we need those attacking players more than a CM.

by **Toffeehater** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:13 am

I'm sorry mate but the form has been missing for 3 or so seasons? How long more should we wait? We have a decent offer on the table now and we should take it and use the money to get a replacement

Torres has done superb in his first season and there's no way that he would suffer the same bad run has xabi , he's on of the best strikers in the world , creates his own goals , does not need some one to feed him as he can get goals by himself like he has shown this season and i believe this thread is about barry and xabi alonso and not torres or villa . I would like it if we had both players but would xabi be again satisfied on the bench , i'm sure rafa would switch back to the 4-4-2 next season and push babel up top and barry on the left with gerrard and masch in the middle and than again there is the money question , we already lack the funds so we can't sign barry without selling xabi .

by **Toffeehater** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:14 am

Bamaga man wrote:
I think this transfer rumor has cooled down as rafa has not made any other bids for barry as of yet . Barry is a good player , and like stu has said maybe alonso's equal and to answer his question to why we are selling him is because , alonso is out of form and there is a decent offer on the table and the manager is going to take it , and replace him with a more consistent player

Sums it about about Barry being consistent and Xabi out of form.

Like you say maybe Rafa is thnking twice about going in and bidding for Barry again. I have no problem with Rafa selling Alonso and using the money from that to put towards Barry. Alonso is class on his day, but I honestly think we've got more chance of seeing the ice-caps disapear before we have to wait for the Spaniard to discover his form in a Liverpool shirt. I know form is temp and class is permanent and all that. But for me Gerrard, Torres, Mascha and Carra are a class above Alonso IMO, in that they produce class performances on consistent basis. And if one of them does have a dip in form, I'd guarentee you it wouldnt take them the best part of two years to rediscover it.

Going back to the Barry transfer, I'd be happy if Rafa sold Alonso and brought in Barry BUT also bringing in a couple of quality players in the Silva, Arshavin ilk (Who I havent seen, but going by some of the others on here talking about him, who know there football he must be decent enough) or even another striker like Podolski.

I'll be honest and say that I'd be dissapointed in Rafa if he made barry is sole major target for the summer. Not dissapointed in Barry, but dissapointed in Rafa for not addressing the more serious issues of the flanks and possibly another striker becuase TBF we need those attacking players more than a CM.

enough said really

by **Fo Dne** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:26 am

Bamaga man wrote:
I think this transfer rumor has cooled down as rafa has not made any other bids for barry as of yet . Barry is a good player , and like stu has said maybe alonso's equal and to answer his question to why we are selling him is because , alonso is out of form and there is a decent offer on the table and the manager is going to take it , and replace him with a more consistent player

Sums it about about Barry being consistent and Xabi out of form.

Like you say maybe Rafa is thnking twice about going in and bidding for Barry again. I have no problem with Rafa selling Alonso and using the money from that to put towards Barry. Alonso is class on his day, but I honestly think we've got more chance of seeing the ice-caps disapear before we have to wait for the Spaniard to discover his form in a Liverpool shirt. I know form is temp and class is permanent and all that. But for me Gerrard, Torres, Mascha and Carra are a class above Alonso IMO, in that they produce class performances on consistent basis. And if one of them does have a dip in form, I'd guarentee you it wouldnt take them the best part of two years to rediscover it.

Going back to the Barry transfer, I'd be happy if Rafa sold Alonso and brought in Barry BUT also bringing in a couple of quality players in the Silva, Arshavin ilk (Who I havent seen, but going by some of the others on here talking about him, who know there football he must be decent enough) or even another striker like Podolski.

I'll be honest and say that I'd be dissapointed in Rafa if he made barry is sole major target for the summer. Not dissapointed in Barry, but dissapointed in Rafa for not addressing the more serious issues of the flanks and possibly another striker becuase TBF we need those attacking players more than a CM.

Tell you what, why don't we sell Torres and buy Villa?

Sell Gerrard and sign Ballack?

Sell Reina and sign Cech?

Why not sell Carragher aswell while we're at it and sign Vidic?

Some people are so frustrating. You can't see the obvious.

Its :censored:

pointless. Its not going to take us forward signing players of the same class to replace other players of the same class. We have far more pressing issues than central midfield. Infact, thats the only outfield area we definately without question do not need to strengthen. Alonso, Mascherano and Gerrard between them are pretty good in my eyes. Infact, All of them would get into every team in the country so whats the point in signing yet another :censored:

centre mid? Its bloody typically clueless to suggest it. Don't sit there an say to me Alonso's been :censored:

either because am not havin it for a second. The lads a superb player and because he's been below his best he's getting slatted? He's still been one of our best players. This isn't Riise we're talkin about here for :censored:

sake...

We need two full backs, we could do with a centre half, we NEED at least one winger, we NEED a striker and we could also do with Arshavin aswell. Tampering with things that are not broke is plain stupidity.

What is the point in wasting money on replacing Alonso when we have FAR more pressing issues? I'm tellin you now, if our wingers and full backs and second striker were anywhere near as good as Xabi this team would be a hell of a team.

by **66-1112520797** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:28 am

Fo Dne wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:
I think this transfer rumor has cooled down as rafa has not made any other bids for barry as of yet . Barry is a good player , and like stu has said maybe alonso's equal and to answer his question to why we are selling him is because , alonso is out of form and there is a decent offer on the table and the manager is going to take it , and replace him with a more consistent player

Sums it about about Barry being consistent and Xabi out of form.

Like you say maybe Rafa is thnking twice about going in and bidding for Barry again. I have no problem with Rafa selling Alonso and using the money from that to put towards Barry. Alonso is class on his day, but I honestly think we've got more chance of seeing the ice-caps disapear before we have to wait for the Spaniard to discover his form in a Liverpool shirt. I know form is temp and class is permanent and all that. But for me Gerrard, Torres, Mascha and Carra are a class above Alonso IMO, in that they produce class performances on consistent basis. And if one of them does have a dip in form, I'd guarentee you it wouldnt take them the best part of two years to rediscover it.

Going back to the Barry transfer, I'd be happy if Rafa sold Alonso and brought in Barry BUT also bringing in a couple of quality players in the Silva, Arshavin ilk (Who I havent seen, but going by some of the others on here talking about him, who know there football he must be decent enough) or even another striker like Podolski.

I'll be honest and say that I'd be dissapointed in Rafa if he made barry is sole major target for the summer. Not dissapointed in Barry, but dissapointed in Rafa for not addressing the more serious issues of the flanks and possibly another striker becuase TBF we need those attacking players more than a CM.

Tell you what, why don't we sell Torres and buy Villa?

Sell Gerrard and sign Ballack?

Sell Reina and sign Cech?

Why not sell Carragher aswell while we're at it and sign Vidic?

Some people are so frustrating. You can't see the obvious.

Its pointless. Its not going to take us forward signing players of the same class to replace other players of the same class. We have far more pressing issues than central midfield. Infact, thats the only outfield area we definately without question do not need to strengthen. Alonso, Mascherano and Gerrard between them are pretty good in my eyes. Infact, All of them would get into every team in the country so whats the point in signing yet another centre mid? Its bloody typically clueless to suggest it. Don't sit there an say to me Alonso's been either because am not havin it for a second. The lads a superb player and because he's been below his best he's getting slatted? He's still been one of our best players. This isn't Riise we're talkin about here for sake...

We need two full backs, we could do with a centre half, we NEED at least one winger, we NEED a striker and we could also do with Arshavin aswell. Tampering with things that are not broke is plain stupidity.

What is the point in wasting money on replacing Alonso when we have FAR more pressing issues? I'm tellin you now, if our wingers and full backs and second striker were anywhere near as good as Xabi this team would be a hell of a team.

Read my post again carefully

by **66-1112520797** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:32 am

Don't sit there an say to me Alonso's been either because am not havin it for a second. The lads a superb player and because he's been below his best he's getting slatted? He's still been one of our best players.

Well I am sitting there and I am telling you Alonso has been dissapointing, because it is quite simply plain to see.

Lets not get too carried away in hyping up Alonso to something he isnt.

On the notion of him being so great, why is Rafa willing to listen to offers of around 14 million pound and flogging him off, maybe hes missing something your not.

by **Fo Dne** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:50 am

Bamaga man wrote:
Don't sit there an say to me Alonso's been either because am not havin it for a second. The lads a superb player and because he's been below his best he's getting slatted? He's still been one of our best players.

Well I am sitting there and I am telling you Alonso has been dissapointing, because it is quite simply plain to see.

Lets not get too carried away in hyping up Alonso to something he isnt.

On the notion of him being so great, why is Rafa willing to listen to offers of around 14 million pound and flogging him off, maybe hes missing something your not.

The man hasn't got a clue. Thats why.

by **paisleyred** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:52 am

Fo Dne wrote:[quote=

We need two full backs, we could do with a centre half, we NEED at least one winger, we NEED a striker and we could also do with Arshavin aswell. Tampering with things that are not broke is plain stupidity.

the 2 full backs we need dossena and deggen!
a centre half? carra,skrtel,agger all you need is a benchwarmer, cheap as chips.
a winger ,according to the rumours thats exactly what we are chasing....silva,milner,bentley etc.
you may also see another striker but if not i think we may see more of babel up top.
and whats more barry is alot more flexible than alonso as in he can play in alot more positions....

by **Owzat** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:07 am

paisleyred wrote:
Fo Dne wrote:[quote=

We need two full backs, we could do with a centre half, we NEED at least one winger, we NEED a striker and we could also do with Arshavin aswell. Tampering with things that are not broke is plain stupidity.

the 2 full backs we need dossena and deggen!
a centre half? carra,skrtel,agger all you need is a benchwarmer, cheap as chips.
a winger ,according to the rumours thats exactly what we are chasing....silva,milner,bentley etc.
you may also see another striker but if not i think we may see more of babel up top.
and whats more barry is alot more flexible than alonso as in he can play in alot more positions....

We have four CBs - Skrtel, Carra, Hyypia and Agger - no need for any more.

So Barny CAN play a number of positions, so what? We're signing him for one position and paying £15m+ for versatility is stupid. He's not going to be the World Class winger we need and I sure as hell wouldn't go signing him to play LB since that isn't where his price tag has come from.

The worrying factor for me is YOU mention RUMOURED moves for Milner, Bentley, Silva etc, but Rafa wants to waste millions on Barny. We can't go paying silly money for him AND buy World Class wingers - might be able to afford Milner but then I'd rather have one of the other two and NOT Barny

by **Fo Dne** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:22 am

paisleyred wrote:
Fo Dne wrote:[quote=

We need two full backs, we could do with a centre half, we NEED at least one winger, we NEED a striker and we could also do with Arshavin aswell. Tampering with things that are not broke is plain stupidity.

the 2 full backs we need dossena and deggen!
a centre half? carra,skrtel,agger all you need is a benchwarmer, cheap as chips.
a winger ,according to the rumours thats exactly what we are chasing....silva,milner,bentley etc.
you may also see another striker but if not i think we may see more of babel up top.
and whats more barry is alot more flexible than alonso as in he can play in alot more positions....

Skyrtel and Hyypia won't win you a title. Degen's :censored:

.

Milners not even better than Pennant, Bentley plays on the right we need a left winger and Babel's not upto it.

Next?

by **bigmick** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 12:12 pm

Bamaga man wrote:Going back to the Barry transfer, I'd be happy if Rafa sold Alonso and brought in Barry BUT also bringing in a couple of quality players in the Silva, Arshavin ilk (Who I havent seen, but going by some of the others on here talking about him, who know there football he must be decent enough) or even another striker like Podolski.

Have a go at watching this fella Arshavin in their next game BM. It's not that easy trying to spot the little fecker cos they've got about four blokes with the same dodgy pudding basin haircut, and the bloke they brought on as sub against the Dutch (the one who scored the second goal from Arshavin's cross) is his double from a distance. If your not careful you end up thinking he's some kind oif marathon runner cos he pops up absolutely everywhere, only half the time it isn't him.

The way you can tell it's him, is in the quality of the work. If it's a subtle drift into a pocket to show for the ball, followed by a neat little lay-off it'll be him. If the Russians open somebody up, check out the replay and the initial ball inside the full-back will be him. If someone does something a bit nifty around the half way line, it's him. I remember Keegan talkign about Peter Beardsley saying everytime he got the ball it was like setting off little bombs in and around the opposition defence. That's what this little bloke brings to the party.

I've heard various posters going on about him for ages and only saw him play for the first time in snatches against Rangers in the European Cup final. I've seen him twice in the Euro's now, and I'm a 100% convert. It's hard to imagine watching a game with him in it and him being kept completely quiet for the whole ninety minutes. He missed by about two inches with a free kick against the Dutch which would probably have been the goal of tghe tournament, as well as scoring the third from a nothing situation and putting the second on a plate for his double. He's definately worth a look is this lad.

by **RedBlood** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 12:26 pm

you lot act like alonso has been shi.t for the past 3seasons??

this is a joke sure his best season was his first but hes still been a class player for us when fit, for god sake gerrard hasnt been at his absolute best the last 2 seasons, should we sell him??

alonso is a world class player and i think selling him to make way for barry is ridiculous, barry is a great player but why replace class with class it dont make sense

i reckon we should buy that russian arshavin he is top class, a world class player that has somehow escaped everyones radar until now, buy him now before he becomes even more valuble, play him behind torres with gerrard to the right

gerrards best season was when he played most of it on the right and when he is out there hes without doubt the best in the world plus he would have more freedom in the 4 5 1 formation and good wingers are hard to find where as there are a few class number 10s around, so :censored:

him if hes not happy he should be a captin and take one for the team

by **RedBlood** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 12:27 pm

Fo Dne wrote:
paisleyred wrote:
Fo Dne wrote:[quote=

We need two full backs, we could do with a centre half, we NEED at least one winger, we NEED a striker and we could also do with Arshavin aswell. Tampering with things that are not broke is plain stupidity.

the 2 full backs we need dossena and deggen!
a centre half? carra,skrtel,agger all you need is a benchwarmer, cheap as chips.
a winger ,according to the rumours thats exactly what we are chasing....silva,milner,bentley etc.
you may also see another striker but if not i think we may see more of babel up top.
and whats more barry is alot more flexible than alonso as in he can play in alot more positions....

Skyrtel and Hyypia won't win you a title. Degen's .

Milners not even better than Pennant, Bentley plays on the right we need a left winger and Babel's not upto it.

Next?

skrtel and hyypia are great back up players to carra and agger

plus have you seen degen play?? give the lad a chance

babels not up to it?? first season in the prem the 20year old scored 10goals as a bit part player, hes got massive talent and potential only a fool would right him off so early

by **RedBlood** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 12:31 pm

having said that about babel i would personally buy silva and arshavin and play them behind torres with gerrard

i would have babel as an impact player for anyone of the four positions from the bench and gradually ease him into the first team abit like last season

by **Sabre** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 12:37 pm

Fo Dne wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:
Don't sit there an say to me Alonso's been either because am not havin it for a second. The lads a superb player and because he's been below his best he's getting slatted? He's still been one of our best players.

Well I am sitting there and I am telling you Alonso has been dissapointing, because it is quite simply plain to see.

Lets not get too carried away in hyping up Alonso to something he isnt.

On the notion of him being so great, why is Rafa willing to listen to offers of around 14 million pound and flogging him off, maybe hes missing something your not.

The man hasn't got a clue. Thats why.

See my signature and read the quote on Alonso and you'll understand why he fails to see the obvious and is not ready to give the lad some credit.

You won't get any of it, Bamaga the red has other priorities to decide about Alonso staying or not and he'll act as a thought police man to discredit the player there where he sees a praise. :;):

Welcome back Stu, very informative posts on Barry and indeed good news on Barry. It's several good posters already (Scott, you, bigmick and others) who talk nicely about Barry and that's comforting.

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