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by **J*o*n*D*o*e** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 10:29 pm

fook me i thought Lord of the rings went on a bit but this is ridiculous, well done MON you really are a class act

can you imagine how fast he(MON) would be out the door if a top 4 club came in for him, like a one legged penguin on a ski slope.

this deal should of been sorted weeks ago instead of all this sabre rattling by mon, all he`s done is wind everybody up and now the villa fans are spitting teeth over this.

by **Okan Kalo** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 1:48 am

Alonso=======>Fenerbahce
Barry========>Liverpool

Champions League Finales
Liverpool - Fenerbahce

:blues:

by **Rush Job** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 2:04 am

Okan Kalo wrote:Alonso=======>Fenerbahce
Barry========>Liverpool

Champions League Finales
Liverpool - Fenerbahce

Alonso is staying and you can quote me on that.

by **maguskwt** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 2:13 am

J*o*n*D*o*e wrote:this deal should of been sorted weeks ago instead of all this sabre rattling by mon

pls leave Sabre out of this... he's only an alonso fan...

by **Penguins** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 3:50 am

I am not so sure this transfer is written in stone.

Sure, Liverpool wants Barry, barry want to move and Villa are willing to sell.

But there are many buts.

How much do Liverpool want barry?

Well, as far as I know the thing about "15 min to late and the fee was sorted" was just a lie it seems.
So for me Liverpool made 3-4 bids some weeks ago believed to be maximum 15 million. Since then Liverpool hasn't come back and instead opted to buy Keane.

During this entire transfer window Rafa has stated many times that he needs to sell to buy but it seems it doesn't matter how many times he says it because there are so many stupid fans who seem to think there is still money just stashed away ready to be used to buy Silva or whoever. :censored:

I say!
And then some believe our generous owners would put their hands in their pocket. PLEASE!
Only way would be to take another stupid loan with another ridicoulus internest rate.
We have this summer as it stands with less than a month of the window left spent around £0. FACT!

How much do Barry want to come?
Well, obviously not even close to as much as Keane wanted to come. It took him 5 seconds after he heard we we internested and handed in his transfer request, forfeiting his loyalty bonus and maybe the wrath of spurs fans.

Barry still after all he has said and done,in the press no mind unlike Keane, as often said talk is cheap and actions speak louder than words. So far that holds true with Barry who sure wants to move if he gets that loyalty bonus for being so loyal to Villa....

So Villa might be willing to sell but it will be on their terms or no deal at all no matter what Liverpoll or Barry do.
18 million in maximum 2 installments or nothing at all.
That is as far as I have read not close to the valuation Rafa or Liverpool has.
Besides, like I said and Rafa has said many times, WE NEED TO SELL TO BUY.
Keane wasn't cheap and if barry is to be bought we must sell.
To get around another 20 million in takes more than selling
every damn fringe squad player we have. We need to sell Alonso, both because he is our more marketable player that
can bring in enough without selling our whole bench and also because we don't need 15 central midfielders.
Problem is no matter how much world class some fans might think Alonso is, there are no takers for him.

Barry might come, but he also might not. Maybe 60-40 or 50-50 but it sure isn't a done deal.
Besides, if it goes through that most certainly will be the last buy of any bigger magnitude. And I still waiting for that top class winger(even if Rafa might think a team doesn't need one).

by **account deleted by request** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 4:29 am

I don't think the "missed deadline by 15 minutes" was a lie. I think what MON was meaning was that we had had 4 months to sort out this deal and the fact that we supposedly had it sorted 15minutes too late was just by the way.

I think we still need to sell, but the priority of it has perhaps been reduced, as our owners (seemingly never reluctant to pile evermore debt against the club) have got bank guarantees that the money is available.

I presume the ONLY reason that MON has backed down is that Barry has made it clear to him that he no longer wants to play for Villa as long as Liverpool are still willing to make the deal.

I have never been that keen on the deal since it became obvious that we were going to be paying more for Barry than we could possibly get for Alonso, BUT if Rafa thinks Barry will be a good addition to the squad (either with or without Alonso) I think we have to accept that sometimes you have to pay over the odds or make sacrifices to get the player and team you want.

I think we kissed good bye to our chances of a winger when Rafa made his speech about fullbacks. I am sure he didn't dismiss wingers out of hand but has decided that maybe a winger is a luxury we simply can't afford, while a striker (Keane)and Barry were obviously his priorities.

I think most of the players we are supposedly losing arn't too much of a loss and would only have been restricting the advancement of some of our youngsters anyway. Alonso is the only quality player to have his future in question IMO. While most would be only too happy to see the back of Pennant and Voronin.

The only player I really regret us losing is Riise, and the purchase of Dossena made it almost impossible for him to stay anyway. Certainly the sale of Sissoko last Christmas was a much bigger blow to me than any of the sales so far this summer.

I really do think this is Rafa's last chance, and I think he his picking players that he can rely on to come in and do well from the start. He can't afford to take gambles on players like Babel or Lucas , he needs players that are ready now, not 2 years down the line.

I think Barry will come, Alonso will stay and we will go very close in the league.

by **Igor Zidane** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 8:34 am

s@int wrote:I don't think the "missed deadline by 15 minutes" was a lie. I think what MON was meaning was that we had had 4 months to sort out this deal and the fact that we supposedly had it sorted 15minutes too late was just by the way.

I think we still need to sell, but the priority of it has perhaps been reduced, as our owners (seemingly never reluctant to pile evermore debt against the club) have got bank guarantees that the money is available.

I presume the ONLY reason that MON has backed down is that Barry has made it clear to him that he no longer wants to play for Villa as long as Liverpool are still willing to make the deal.

I have never been that keen on the deal since it became obvious that we were going to be paying more for Barry than we could possibly get for Alonso, BUT if Rafa thinks Barry will be a good addition to the squad (either with or without Alonso) I think we have to accept that sometimes you have to pay over the odds or make sacrifices to get the player and team you want.

I think we kissed good bye to our chances of a winger when Rafa made his speech about fullbacks. I am sure he didn't dismiss wingers out of hand but has decided that maybe a winger is a luxury we simply can't afford, while a striker (Keane)and Barry were obviously his priorities.

I think most of the players we are supposedly losing arn't too much of a loss and would only have been restricting the advancement of some of our youngsters anyway. Alonso is the only quality player to have his future in question IMO. While most would be only too happy to see the back of Pennant and Voronin.

The only player I really regret us losing is Riise, and the purchase of Dossena made it almost impossible for him to stay anyway. Certainly the sale of Sissoko last Christmas was a much bigger blow to me than any of the sales so far this summer.

I really do think this is Rafa's last chance, and I think he his picking players that he can rely on to come in and do well from the start. He can't afford to take gambles on players like Babel or Lucas , he needs players that are ready now, not 2 years down the line.

I think Barry will come, Alonso will stay and we will go very close in the league.

Good post there Saint , agreed totally .

by **Owzat** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 8:54 am

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So the leprechaun was playing fergie-esque mind games, making comments to the media showed he was worried this wouldn't go through, then we passed the deadline which was basically villa's way of trying to pressure us into sticking our hands up while they robbed us of £18m! And now he's had a chat with player and agent, he's happy this can go through if Liverpool offer the right money. This has to be the most farcical protracted transfer ever and we're part of it.

Ok, any better suggestions for a player who won't cost seven arms and twenty legs? Alonso, I hear he's quite good

How about Kevin Nolan? Or N E One-else?

The best bet is to sit tight, not offer any more and make the villa sweat it out. If GB said he wants to move and won't hand in a transfer request then that makes him sweat it out too. And I read suggestion elsewhere that we offered £18.5m plus Finnan just 15 mins after this deadline, that looks a bit iffy now if villa are saying it can go through, unless they want more than £18.5m (+ Finnan)................ If so, Feck Off villa

by **Owzat** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 8:55 am

s@int wrote:I don't think the "missed deadline by 15 minutes" was a lie. I think what MON was meaning was that we had had 4 months to sort out this deal and the fact that we supposedly had it sorted 15minutes too late was just by the way.

I think it is fiction, if £18.5m + Finnan is enough then they wouldn't now be saying we have until the window closes, they'd be saying something like "Liverpool matched our valuation too late, but now we are entering talks" or "Liverpool made a late bid which was just short, they now have until........."

s@int wrote:I think we still need to sell, but the priority of it has perhaps been reduced, as our owners (seemingly never reluctant to pile evermore debt against the club) have got bank guarantees that the money is available.

I have maintained that we should sell anyway, raise (extra) funds and offload the players that aren't good enough. If a player is likely to be fringe then he may as well be sold now as being a fringe player only means his value will go down. (except cases like when Crouch's number one fan is around)

s@int wrote:I presume the ONLY reason that MON has backed down is that Barry has made it clear to him that he no longer wants to play for Villa as long as Liverpool are still willing to make the deal.

I think it was a bit of a bluff as well, trying to get the deal pushed through with a deadline. I can't believe villa were naive enough to believe that was it for the player and he'd stay, this could be his ONE chance at playing for a big club. In terms of career moves, staying at villa is a big gamble.

s@int wrote:I have never been that keen on the deal since it became obvious that we were going to be paying more for Barry than we could possibly get for Alonso, BUT if Rafa thinks Barry will be a good addition to the squad (either with or without Alonso) I think we have to accept that sometimes you have to pay over the odds or make sacrifices to get the player and team you want.

Raises an interesting question, should you blindly accept your managers judgement or is the fact that so many question whether it is a good deal over-ride that? Managers make mistakes, hell Rafa has offloaded plenty of his own signings already. To err is human, to spend £18m on a player who may make no difference and isn't really needed as things stand, is potentially stupid on many counts. I've said before if we win the league then noone on here will care who be bought or what they cost, I'm more interested in us signing players that are likely to mean we win the league.

If I'm wrong, and we win the league I won't care I was wrong and I doubt many others will. I'll admit I was wrong IF it happens

s@int wrote:I think we kissed good bye to our chances of a winger when Rafa made his speech about fullbacks. I am sure he didn't dismiss wingers out of hand but has decided that maybe a winger is a luxury we simply can't afford, while a striker (Keane)and Barry were obviously his priorities.

I doubt they were ever his kind of player, one or two of his signings (Nunez, Gonzalez, Pennant, etc) and Kewell probably put him off

s@int wrote:I think most of the players we are supposedly losing arn't too much of a loss and would only have been restricting the advancement of some of our youngsters anyway. Alonso is the only quality player to have his future in question IMO. While most would be only too happy to see the back of Pennant and Voronin.

I'd be seriously worried if we sold a player who was a loss, I think Alonso could be the first. You could argue Crouch was a decent squad player, I don't think he was irreplacable and I rate Keane a lot more

s@int wrote:The only player I really regret us losing is Riise, and the purchase of Dossena made it almost impossible for him to stay anyway. Certainly the sale of Sissoko last Christmas was a much bigger blow to me than any of the sales so far this summer.

Not so sure, Sissoko was surplus when we signed Mascherano. He was a limited player anyway, we got good money for him and made a profit with the club buying a much better player

s@int wrote:I really do think this is Rafa's last chance, and I think he his picking players that he can rely on to come in and do well from the start. He can't afford to take gambles on players like Babel or Lucas , he needs players that are ready now, not 2 years down the line.

I got slated elsewhere by a "Liverpool fan" (a retard claiming to support the club, but spending a lot of time worrying about what I say - some on here like that!) for 'negativity' by stating the following (facts) in a thread about the next manager for the sack.

I said if Rafa was going to be sacked he would have been at the end of last season as a trophyless season and finishing only fourth is bare minimum and arguably not good enough. I also said I doubt Rafa would be sacked midseason, if he's going to be sacked it will likely be end of the season. I doubt he'll be sacked if we lose the CL qualifiers, if we do lose I suspect 1st or 2nd in the league (and possibly a cup) will be all that can save him, something to show we are getting closer to the holy grail.

There wouldn't be a lot of point changing manager midseason, Rafa has shown he can get fourth easily enough and I think the owners/board will want the new manager to have CL football the following season. If we're so far off fourth as to sack him midseason, something that is unlikely to happen, then I doubt anyone could turn it around and maybe he'd get sacked. So if we're 10 or more points off fourth around halfway through the season he might get the sack, can't see any other scenario he'd go then

s@int wrote:I think Barry will come, Alonso will stay and we will go very close in the league.

Not sure I agree on any of those counts, Keane's goals in theory could convert draws into wins, but will he play as part of a front two and who will supply the goals, or will he play in place of Babel or Kuyt in the current preferred formation and could that not negate his goalscoring potential?

by **lewerty** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 11:10 am

we need some1 with pace and barry dont have that

by **LiverpoolMadman** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 12:31 pm

lewerty wrote:we need some1 with pace and barry dont have that

Yes I agree ... but only Rafa can see in him and we can't ... I hope that 18M for Barry will be 18M for David Silva ....

by **zarababe** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 12:43 pm

O'Neill in his own words http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/7539228.stm - hope Barry gets the move after all this - come on Liverpool we've unsettled he player lets get him and win that title !

by **Toffeehater** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 5:25 pm

Okan Kalo wrote:Alonso=======>Fenerbahce
Barry========>Liverpool

Champions League Finales
Liverpool - Fenerbahce

, what are the odds on that?

by **Toffeehater** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 5:26 pm

s@int wrote:I don't think the "missed deadline by 15 minutes" was a lie. I think what MON was meaning was that we had had 4 months to sort out this deal and the fact that we supposedly had it sorted 15minutes too late was just by the way.

I think we still need to sell, but the priority of it has perhaps been reduced, as our owners (seemingly never reluctant to pile evermore debt against the club) have got bank guarantees that the money is available.

I presume the ONLY reason that MON has backed down is that Barry has made it clear to him that he no longer wants to play for Villa as long as Liverpool are still willing to make the deal.

I have never been that keen on the deal since it became obvious that we were going to be paying more for Barry than we could possibly get for Alonso, BUT if Rafa thinks Barry will be a good addition to the squad (either with or without Alonso) I think we have to accept that sometimes you have to pay over the odds or make sacrifices to get the player and team you want.

I think we kissed good bye to our chances of a winger when Rafa made his speech about fullbacks. I am sure he didn't dismiss wingers out of hand but has decided that maybe a winger is a luxury we simply can't afford, while a striker (Keane)and Barry were obviously his priorities.

I think most of the players we are supposedly losing arn't too much of a loss and would only have been restricting the advancement of some of our youngsters anyway. Alonso is the only quality player to have his future in question IMO. While most would be only too happy to see the back of Pennant and Voronin.

The only player I really regret us losing is Riise, and the purchase of Dossena made it almost impossible for him to stay anyway. Certainly the sale of Sissoko last Christmas was a much bigger blow to me than any of the sales so far this summer.

I really do think this is Rafa's last chance, and I think he his picking players that he can rely on to come in and do well from the start. He can't afford to take gambles on players like Babel or Lucas , he needs players that are ready now, not 2 years down the line.

I think Barry will come, Alonso will stay and we will go very close in the league.

spot on

, good post mate

by **rafa09** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 5:33 pm

BARRY TO SIGN ON WEDNESDAY. you can quote me on that.

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