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by **maypaxvobiscum** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:53 pm

hello_red wrote:dosnt really matter who we buy becasue any striker we go in for aint gonna be of the class of eto'o etc etc etc.

dont really care anymore, id make a move on that milito guy. that youtube vid showed him scoring and not many tricks, looks good to me. malouda, milito and someone else as our new attacking options would suit me.

i agree with sabre on this torres debate, id take him in an instant if the price was right but for the 20+ mill people are saying he is worth you can get to feck!

rather buy well scouted mid range attackers than one 25mill striker who ends up being a turd.

peace

p.s. as for bellamy i was chuffed when we got him and expected him to do well, he didnt but there are many factors involved dont think for a second its becasue he is . that is not the case with bellamy.

true. u cant slam bellamy cause h has always been outspoken and abit tackless.
12mil for torres is cool. way cool. but why would atletico sell him for so cheap when they can start a bidding war?

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:56 pm

flamingpoe wrote:fine i will get a clue but i was only stating my opinion which we are all supposed to listen to not get personal on matters like where we live, i dont have a problem with n e one sorry if i caused n e offence not that n e of you should have seeing as i was being sarcastic to maypaxvobiscum not to the whole forum!!!!!!!

being sarcastic is one thing being stupid or rude is another. maybe if u cut down on the number of exclaimation marks and have a friendly tone im sure u wont be having to defend urself against others.

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:58 pm

i reckon forlan is getting stick cuz he played for the mancs
but i wouldnt want forlan. i prefer torres (if price is right) or anyone else. im sure rafa will make the right choice.

by **flamingpoe** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 5:02 pm

maypax i dont know about everyone else's opinion, but i dont think its cause he played for manure, but hey i have been wrong alot in this part of the forum, so my personal opinion is that he isn't premiership material, he just isn't hardcore enough for the prem

by **Sabre** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 5:03 pm

flamingpoe wrote:fine i will get a clue but i was only stating my opinion which we are all supposed to listen to not get personal on matters like where we live, i dont have a problem with n e one sorry if i caused n e offence not that n e of you should have seeing as i was being sarcastic to maypaxvobiscum not to the whole forum!!!!!!!

Hey don't be too angry mate, I read and then write english phrases here, it's not my language. And "Get a clue, lad" is the shortest way to say "I couldn't disagree more with you when it comes to this football topic"

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 5:05 pm

flamingpoe wrote:maypax i dont know about everyone else's opinion, but i dont think its cause he played for manure, but hey i have been wrong alot in this part of the forum, so my personal opinion is that he isn't premiership material, he just isn't hardcore enough for the prem

haha he couldnt even wear his shirt once upon a time haha
anyway. . . .waddya think of zlatan muslimovic or gary mcsheffrey?

by **EddieC** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 5:35 pm

Sabre correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think any Spanish clubs have been sniffing round him, even though it seems quite clear Atletico are ready to cash in on him. These are the same clubs that were offering crazy money to take him a few years ago. These clubs will get to see a lot more of him than our scouts would, and if they're not interested that speaks volumes. I looked up stats on Torres, taking out penalties to give a true assessment of his scoring ability, this is what I came up with:

Season Games Minutes Goals Goals/Game Minutes/Goal

02/03 29 2360 10 0.34 236
03/04 35 2979 14 0.40 212
04/05 38 3394 15 0.39 226
05/06 36 3197 12 0.33 266
06/07 35 3003 10 0.28 300

This shows to me someone who had a good scoring record for the kid that he was, but never built on that potential and has actually got slightly worse over the last 4 seasons. When you compare this seasons stats to our own strikers you get:

Name Games Minutes Goals Goals/Game Minutes/Goal

Torres 35 3003 10 0.28 300
Kuyt 34 2581 12 0.35 215
Crouch 31 1506 9 0.29 167
Bellamy 27 1916 7 0.26 273

All three of our strikers have a better ratio than him this season, yet we're complaining that we don't score enough goals. Hardly seems that Torres is going to improve our goal threat.

I understand that goals per game can be deceiving, as it depends on the quality of your team mates. What isn't so deceiving is shots to goals ratio, which purely measures how often you score when given the chance, and takes into account some players having less opportunities than others. Unfortunately I couldn't find the stat for Premiership players, so I compared him to a few of the players we've been linked with, Samuel Eto'o, and the less favoured choices of Diego Forlan & Diego Milito

Name Goals Shots Goals per Shot

Torres 10 99 0.10
Eto'o 11 56 0.19
Forlan 18 100 0.18
Milito 18 68 0.26

As you can see all three of them far exceed Torres' record of actually finding the net. We need a goal machine to arrive this summer, someone who's going to put the ball in the net more often than not. Torres is not that man IMO.

by **Sabre** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 5:39 pm

I'm not the biggest fan of stats, as they look only one side of a player, but, yes, I cannot argue any of that and my naked eye agree what your numbers say.

by **redtrader74** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 6:48 pm

Torres is another of those names that pundits and fans alike love to say, 'aaahhh Fernando Torres', he sounds like he should be a top player!. Fwiw i think he is a decent player, but i don't think he would survive in the Prem, maybe a bit like Reyes.

Not a great scoring record in a league where you get more protection from the ref than the prem. For the level he is imho his speculated value of £20m+ is too high, personally i would rather Villa came for that money. Milito (Diego) seems a good target, I'm not sure how much though.

by **maguskwt** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 7:39 pm

torres = not good enough and too much of a risk since he's unproven in premier league...

i would sign the incredible sulk instead...or owen...

by **stoney** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 7:41 pm

Bent is probably a better option for us than torres. (I am not for a minute however saying we should sign Bent)

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 7:43 pm

i was reading the papers today and anelka was saying how his so called ''incredible sulk'' tag are driving big clubs away from buying him. actually i found him pretty well settled at liverpool. i do hope rafa buys him. i thought he was gonna be the new #9 when fowler left when GH was here but we ended up with cisse.

by **puroresu** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 7:46 pm

Hunterlaar is better that Torres I think. His far better than Kuyt will ever be.

by **LFC2007** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 7:53 pm

puroresu wrote:Hunterlaar is better that Torres I think. His far better than Kuyt will ever be.

Kuyt offers things Huntelaar doesn't and vice versa.

by **puroresu** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 9:01 pm

LFC2007 wrote:
puroresu wrote:Hunterlaar is better that Torres I think. His far better than Kuyt will ever be.

Kuyt offers things Huntelaar doesn't and vice versa.

other than run and chase everything I dont see much else.

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