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by **tubby** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:16 pm

Its as much of a steal as Harry was at 5M but I dont think his abaility is enough to make up for possible time on the sidelines. We have seen how much we have missed Harry on the left this season (even if he wasnt there all the time last season) but in big games like on Tuesday we need out best players fit.

by **LFCNUTTER** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:17 pm

stmichael wrote:
Stu.Murph wrote:We've already got Riise and Finnan who aren't top players at the back

behave

If Stu says finnans not a top defender then he cant be.I personally think he,s been our most consistant player for the past couple of seasons and is probably one of our players of the season.Badly missed on wednesday, but who am I to argue with someone whos knowledge about football is far superior to all of us mere mortals

by **tubby** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:23 pm

by **grayghost** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:28 pm

That Alex from PSV would be a great player for us. Agger is good but not top class yet. Not able to handle players of Drogbas class (Not many players are mind you) but that Alex is a monster of a player and would fit in well in the Prem.

by **Owzat** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:39 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:I've just checked his stats, and in a career which began in 1998, he has made 172 appearances, which, I'm sure you'll agree, is pretty pathetic for a centre half.

Yes that includes time out for his trial, but even still - that is shocking.

In a smaller timespan, Sami Hyypia (Who joined us in 1999), has made 272 appearances, with dwindling regularity in the last 3 seasons.

Better off out of it.

He may be worth £7m+ when fully fit but you have to knock millions off the value of any sicknotes. Kewell is another example, worth a mint on his day but how many off-days have we seen let alone on days?

by **Stu.Murph** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:43 pm

stmichael wrote:
Stu.Murph wrote:We've already got Riise and Finnan who aren't top players at the back

behave

I've been over this time and time again. Finnan isn't great going forward. He's very good and clever defensively but going forward he offers little in the way of an overlap. He's another limited player.

His concentration and composure are absoloutely superb as is his reading of the game and unauthordox positioning but he's not and never will be a top class player. The amount of times he simply fails to overlap and create space for the wide players and the amount of times he doesn't get forward when its on is a massive hinderance to our attack and one reason we often look one dimensional.

Alot of people only see players for what they are, when in all reality, you have to look at what they aren't to figure out where to improve.

He's a good player who provides solidity and consistency and is one you can get away with providing the balance of the team around him is right, which it generally is.

How anyone can sit there and say he's a great player though is beyond me.

To be quite honest, listening to everyone here...

Jamie Carragher's world class.
Steven Gerrard's world class.
Xabi Alonso and Mascherano are top class.
Aggers going to be world class as is Sissoko.
Kuyts a great player.
Finnan's the best right back in the league and Gonzalez might become the new Ronaldo because he's lightening quick...

We're just 3rd because we have been unlucky this season then?

Basically we have at least two world class players, two world class prospects and two players who'd get into any team in the league and potentially one of the best wingers in the world in Gonzalez.

:no

The fact is, if it wasn't for Gerrard, Alonso and Carragher, Liverpool FC probably wouldn't be as strong as Everton on paper.

by **LFCNUTTER** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:04 pm

Stu.Murph wrote:
stmichael wrote:
Stu.Murph wrote:We've already got Riise and Finnan who aren't top players at the back

behave

I've been over this time and time again. Finnan isn't great going forward. He's very good and clever defensively but going forward he offers little in the way of an overlap. He's another limited player.

His concentration and composure are absoloutely superb as is his reading of the game and unauthordox positioning but he's not and never will be a top class player. The amount of times he simply fails to overlap and create space for the wide players and the amount of times he doesn't get forward when its on is a massive hinderance to our attack and one reason we often look one dimensional.

Alot of people only see players for what they are, when in all reality, you have to look at what they aren't to figure out where to improve.

He's a good player who provides solidity and consistency and is one you can get away with providing the balance of the team around him is right, which it generally is.

How anyone can sit there and say he's a great player though is beyond me.

To be quite honest, listening to everyone here...

Jamie Carragher's world class.
Steven Gerrard's world class.
Xabi Alonso and Mascherano are top class.
Aggers going to be world class as is Sissoko.
Kuyts a great player.
Finnan's the best right back in the league and Gonzalez might become the new Ronaldo because he's lightening quick...

We're just 3rd because we have been unlucky this season then?

Basically we have at least two world class players, two world class prospects and two players who'd get into any team in the league and potentially one of the best wingers in the world in Gonzalez.

The fact is, if it wasn't for Gerrard, Alonso and Carragher, Liverpool FC probably wouldn't be as strong as Everton on paper.

just have a look at the number of assists the lad has got.He started his career as a winger and gets up and down the line as good as any defender in the league. Sometimes I think you say things just to be contraversial

by **Stu.Murph** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:22 pm

LFCNUTTER wrote:
Stu.Murph wrote:
stmichael wrote:
Stu.Murph wrote:We've already got Riise and Finnan who aren't top players at the back

behave

I've been over this time and time again. Finnan isn't great going forward. He's very good and clever defensively but going forward he offers little in the way of an overlap. He's another limited player.

His concentration and composure are absoloutely superb as is his reading of the game and unauthordox positioning but he's not and never will be a top class player. The amount of times he simply fails to overlap and create space for the wide players and the amount of times he doesn't get forward when its on is a massive hinderance to our attack and one reason we often look one dimensional.

Alot of people only see players for what they are, when in all reality, you have to look at what they aren't to figure out where to improve.

He's a good player who provides solidity and consistency and is one you can get away with providing the balance of the team around him is right, which it generally is.

How anyone can sit there and say he's a great player though is beyond me.

To be quite honest, listening to everyone here...

Jamie Carragher's world class.
Steven Gerrard's world class.
Xabi Alonso and Mascherano are top class.
Aggers going to be world class as is Sissoko.
Kuyts a great player.
Finnan's the best right back in the league and Gonzalez might become the new Ronaldo because he's lightening quick...

We're just 3rd because we have been unlucky this season then?

Basically we have at least two world class players, two world class prospects and two players who'd get into any team in the league and potentially one of the best wingers in the world in Gonzalez.

The fact is, if it wasn't for Gerrard, Alonso and Carragher, Liverpool FC probably wouldn't be as strong as Everton on paper.

just have a look at the number of assists the lad has got.He started his career as a winger and gets up and down the line as good as any defender in the league. Sometimes I think you say things just to be contraversial

Yes he can cross a ball, I've never for a second said he can't. But its basic movements that hold him back. Theres times when he can overlap to give the wide play a bit more space or another option and he either holds back or stands next to him forcing us into stop and start football rather than a quick attacking move which can catch a team unaware.

He will never open a team up with his attacking play. He's solid, and a good player, but for anyone to sit there and say he's excellent going forward either takes...

1. Someone who's never seen a good right back. I'd advise watching Marcus Babbel, Rob Jones for past referances or even god forbid that horrible dirty little inbred manc for a current one.

2. Someone who's never attended a game and actucally found themselves standing there match after match wondering why Finnan has chose not to overlap or get beyond the winger.

3. A biased rose tinted spectical wearing day dreamer.

by **babu** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:35 pm

Stu.Murph wrote:
The Manhattan Project wrote:
Anyone know how the hell Boro can afford 7 million for a centre half?

They mortgaged the entire city of Middlesbrough.

So where did they get the other £6,500,000?

ps. Leon: i don't really know much about Boro, looked up Gibson and fair play to him, if its his own money.

by **LFCNUTTER** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:43 pm

http://www.premierleague.com/fapl.rac?command=forwardOnly&nextPage=actimStatistics
Have a look on this Stu

by **Stu.Murph** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:48 pm

babu wrote:
Stu.Murph wrote:
The Manhattan Project wrote:
Anyone know how the hell Boro can afford 7 million for a centre half?

They mortgaged the entire city of Middlesbrough.

So where did they get the other £6,500,000?

ps. Leon: i don't really know much about Boro, looked up Gibson and fair play to him, if its his own money.

Gibson's a good chairman. Very good infact.

He puts alot of his own money into 'Boro and always backs his managers with time and funds.

by **weringo** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 3:11 pm

Finnan:
Minutes played: 2942
Crosses: 72
Assists: 4

Neville:
Minutes played: 2086
Crosses: 61
Assists: 3

Granted that stats arent great for comparing football players and Neville has played quite a lot less than Finnan this year but theres not much between them in crossing and assists.

by **Reinas No.1 Fan** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 3:12 pm

He is a good player.

But he is playing for passion and for his own home town team rather than money, thats why i think he wouldnt have been as good for us as he has been for boro.

But great bit of business for middlesbrough, they truely love him up here.

by **Stu.Murph** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 3:12 pm

weringo wrote:Finnan:
Minutes played: 2942
Crosses: 72
Assists: 4

Neville:
Minutes played: 2086
Crosses: 61
Assists: 3

Granted that stats arent great for comparing football players and Neville has played quite a lot less than Finnan this year but theres not much between them in crossing and assists.

Its not just about crossing and assists though. Its about creating space for others, movement etc etc.

The inbred's a better player full stop.

by **Ade** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 3:13 pm

Stu, Carra had a few dodgy games earlier in his career - he even scored two own goals in one game against the Mancs, which might be a record. And the fact that he was shunted around as a utility defender and makeshift defensive midfielder tells you that he needed time to mature. And over the past 3 seasons, given that time and patience, he has been magnificent.

Agger will come good. Drogba has made a mess of a lot of defenders over the past two years, and Dan didn't get the best back-up from his fullbacks on Weds. Him and Carra are fine, it's LB, the wingers and two new strikers we need. You go hunting for a world-class CB with our new American bankrollers and you'll be stumping up nearly £10m for a player we don't need.

Finnan is also top-quality and was badly missed against Chelsea.

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