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by **account deleted by request** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 1:16 am

Premier greed goes global Rod Liddle

Fans are treated like mugs again by football’s merciless money men The Premier League and the Football Association have been altogether too timid. Their proposal is that clubs in our top league play 10 games abroad every season, with cities bidding billions of pounds to stage mouth-watering encounters such as Wigan versus Derby.

This, the Premier League asserts, would be exploiting the league’s strong franchise as a “global phenomenon” (copyright Richard Scudamore) to the full. Well, not quite to the full. They would be exploiting their strong franchise to the full if they played all their games abroad, and my plan would have a certain logic to it. Teams owned by foreigners, managed by foreigners and containing almost exclusively foreign players would at last be situated in their natural milieu: somewhere else, abroad, the last connection to the places with which they are nominally associated dissolved altogether.

For Arsenal, one week in Riyadh, the next in Tokyo. For Chelsea, one week in Vladivostok, the next in Archangel. For Bolton, one week in Hebron, the next in Ulan Bator. This would send the right message to English fans: you count for absolutely nothing, you mugs. Watch it on TV or start saving up your air miles. Either way, we couldn’t give a toss.

In fairness to the authorities, this is the very message they are sending out already.

by **66-1112520797** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 6:58 am

What a f.ucking joke !!!

Just browsed through this topic, to see that the most avid supporter of this farce is a YANK !!

Typical.

Maybe to please the Yanks we can have the game played in quarters or eighths if they so desired. F.uck it introduce all the 'time out b0ll0cks and while we're at it, give the players a helmet each. Oh and cheer leaders at half time !!!!!

KEEP FOOTBALL ENGLISH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by **laza** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:07 am

Yeah read though this thread again and still a joke, putting aside greed, traditions and sheer logistical nightmare

I could just see it in 2011.
Manchester United win the league by one point from Liverpool (still coached by Rafa).
FA refuses to accept that Manchester United who achieved a victory in rather easy away overseas trip to New York in their League fixture had a decided advantage over Liverpool who to travel to Melbourne Australia and play the game in oppressive summer heat after arriving from northern winter

by **NANNY RED** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 1:05 pm

Do you know what a thought occured to me last night while watching MOTD . you know the goal of the month comp were the winner gets to choose a prem match of there choice, Well can you imagine if this came in to play

Yep the winner id like to go to see Liverpool v Chelsea in Sydney

could do with a holiday like and ill get to visit me sister who i havnt seen for years ,

That comp would soon be scraped

by **LFC2007** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 1:15 pm

NANNY RED wrote:Do you know what a thought occured to me last night while watching MOTD . you know the goal of the month comp were the winner gets to choose a prem match of there choice, Well can you imagine if this came in to play Yep the winner id like to go to see Liverpool v Chelsea in Sydney could do with a holiday like and ill get to visit me sister who i havnt seen for years ,

That comp would soon be scraped

It's already been scrapped

by **NANNY RED** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 1:30 pm

LFC2007 wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:Do you know what a thought occured to me last night while watching MOTD . you know the goal of the month comp were the winner gets to choose a prem match of there choice, Well can you imagine if this came in to play Yep the winner id like to go to see Liverpool v Chelsea in Sydney could do with a holiday like and ill get to visit me sister who i havnt seen for years ,

That comp would soon be scraped

It's already been scrapped

lol pre emptive measures

by **JoeTerp** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:07 pm

Bamaga man wrote:What a f.ucking joke !!!

Just browsed through this topic, to see that the most avid supporter of this farce is a YANK !!

Typical.

Maybe to please the Yanks we can have the game played in quarters or eighths if they so desired. F.uck it introduce all the 'time out b0ll0cks and while we're at it, give the players a helmet each. Oh and cheer leaders at half time !!!!!

KEEP FOOTBALL ENGLISH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

attacking someone's nationality is not a good way to win an argument. Someone from Dubai, Hong Kong, Sydney or loads of other places could also benefit from this idea, not just Americans. I never suggested any rule changes to make footie more like American Sports, so I don't know where that came from.

Yes football might have started in England, but the only reason why people give a Sh!t about it is because it is a global game that matters to people around the world, and it is a global game because it is a great game. If the game wasn't global, it would be on the same level as hurling.

this idea has potential to elevate the talent of the league across the board, I can't see why as an Englishman, you wouldn't want to watch better teams and more competitive games week in week out, if it didn't cost you to loose any home games.

by **account deleted by request** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:22 pm

JoeTerp wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:What a f.ucking joke !!!

Just browsed through this topic, to see that the most avid supporter of this farce is a YANK !!

Typical.

Maybe to please the Yanks we can have the game played in quarters or eighths if they so desired. F.uck it introduce all the 'time out b0ll0cks and while we're at it, give the players a helmet each. Oh and cheer leaders at half time !!!!!

KEEP FOOTBALL ENGLISH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

attacking someone's nationality is not a good way to win an argument. Someone from Dubai, Hong Kong, Sydney or loads of other places could also benefit from this idea, not just Americans. I never suggested any rule changes to make footie more like American Sports, so I don't know where that came from.

Yes football might have started in England, but the only reason why people give a Sh!t about it is because it is a global game that matters to people around the world, and it is a global game because it is a great game. If the game wasn't global, it would be on the same level as hurling.

this idea has potential to elevate the talent of the league across the board, I can't see why as an Englishman, you wouldn't want to watch better teams and more competitive games week in week out, if it didn't cost you to loose any home games.

No Joe, the only reason why AMERICANS give a sh!t is because its gone global. We had bigger attendances in the 30's than we do today, and that was all through the divisions not just in the Prem. Do you think football wasn't big in Spain and Italy before "it went global"?

As I have said and you don't seem to quite be able to grasp, its not playing games abroad thats the problem its the introduction of unfairness into what was a fair system to decide who the best teams are.

Whats the point in better players, better teams , better managers if the competition itself becomes meaningless ?

by **JoeTerp** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 6:04 pm

your contradicting yourself with the Spain and Italy line, because if football was being played there, it obviously had already gone "global" or was on its way

If your only issue is with the fact that teams would play an unbalanced schedule I can understand that, thats why I suggested the entire thing be seeded with 1 playing 20 and 10 playing 11, because although that might seem unfair, its the fairest way to be unfair because you "earn" your opponent based on last seasons results. And because there are 38 and possibly 39 games you cannot blame not winning the league or not making europe based on one result.

by **account deleted by request** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 7:32 pm

JoeTerp wrote:your contradicting yourself with the Spain and Italy line, because if football was being played there, it obviously had already gone "global" or was on its way

If your only issue is with the fact that teams would play an unbalanced schedule I can understand that, thats why I suggested the entire thing be seeded with 1 playing 20 and 10 playing 11, because although that might seem unfair, its the fairest way to be unfair because you "earn" your opponent based on last seasons results. And because there are 38 and possibly 39 games you cannot blame not winning the league or not making europe based on one result.

Global means around the world (or globe ) or at least it did in my day mate. You Americans changed that as well now have you ?

Italy and Spain are both in Europe, just as Britain is.

Its still ruins the competition Joe, "the fairest way to be unfair" or not! The idea of the league is how you play this season, not that some teams will gain an advantage or be disadvantaged by how they played last season. If you lose the league by one point having had a tough overseas draw in the heat of Austrailia while another team won the league having played a weak team in more clement weather of course you can blame it on that one result. IT IS NOT A FAIR SYSTEM ,it cannot be called that no matter how much you would like to see an English Premier League game. It would ruin the competition.

If you want to see one so badly save up your pennies and come and watch one.

by **The Manhattan Project** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 7:50 pm

It helps to explain why Platini made the sarcastic comments he did - thats why

His comments have no validity. They are baseless.

And what has a Spanish catalan team got to do with the English premier league?

Because the same logic used by Platini can be applied to them. Having an international manager and players doesn't make them any less Catalan or Spanish. If Spain had an foreign manager it still wouldn't make La Liga any less Spanish.

The fact that you have never been to a premiership game helps to explain why you fail to grasp that playing an extra game takes away the whole concept of a fair competition and devalues the whole league setup.

Attending a game is an unnecessary requirement to maintain the coherancy of my argument.

It also may explain your eagerness to ruin a great competition due a desire to actually see a game.

The "great" competition is a three-way Old Firm and little else. Furthermore, Premiership games played on the other side of the world wouldn't bring them any closer to me, since I live in England.

I was again making the point that Platini was not far off with his sarcastic remarks, but if you don't know the value of having local support maybe you shouldn't be on a Liverpool website?

Platini's remarks were nonsensical, as is your point about local support. Playing one game abroad isn't going to cause local support to disappear for the 19 games held in Liverpool, and I'll post on whatever website I please.

Add sh!t to a cake and most people would be unhappy ... Why, its not as if they are being denied access to something they had before is it ?

The analogy is flawed since the reasonable conclusion is that adding shyt to a cake would harm it's appeal. Whereas no such conclusion has been reached with the Premier League plan being proposed.

by **account deleted by request** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:02 pm

You live in England and have never been to a premiership game :laugh:

Argument over, I can't be even be bothered arguing with you anymore.

by **JoeTerp** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 9:04 pm

s@int wrote:
JoeTerp wrote:your contradicting yourself with the Spain and Italy line, because if football was being played there, it obviously had already gone "global" or was on its way

If your only issue is with the fact that teams would play an unbalanced schedule I can understand that, thats why I suggested the entire thing be seeded with 1 playing 20 and 10 playing 11, because although that might seem unfair, its the fairest way to be unfair because you "earn" your opponent based on last seasons results. And because there are 38 and possibly 39 games you cannot blame not winning the league or not making europe based on one result.

Global means around the world (or globe ) or at least it did in my day mate. You Americans changed that as well now have you ? Italy and Spain are both in Europe, just as Britain is.

Its still ruins the competition Joe, "the fairest way to be unfair" or not! The idea of the league is how you play this season, not that some teams will gain an advantage or be disadvantaged by how they played last season. If you lose the league by one point having had a tough overseas draw in the heat of Austrailia while another team won the league having played a weak team in more clement weather of course you can blame it on that one result. IT IS NOT A FAIR SYSTEM ,it cannot be called that no matter how much you would like to see an English Premier League game. It would ruin the competition.

If you want to see one so badly save up your pennies and come and watch one.

Argentina is located halfway round the globe and they have a very rich and long history of football that is not any significant amount of time shorter than Spain or Italy.

I do see why you are upset that the league wouldn't be fair, but life isn't fair so why should football be any different.

Based on this article the idea might make the prem more fair by shrinking the gap between the haves and have lesses

And no, you could never blame a season on one game, that is ridiculous, because there are ALWAYS other games that could have gone the other way and because you still do play every team at least twice you have TWO "six pointers" to say something about it. I do agree with you that the random draw aspect of it sounds a bit sketchy, but I think they would be within their rights if it was seeded all the way through because you earn you opponent based on your performance

And I have saved my pennies and I have come over

by **The Manhattan Project** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 9:33 pm

You live in England and have never been to a premiership game Argument over, I can't be even be bothered arguing with you anymore.

I don't have the money to spend on regular trips to Merseyside.

It's completely irrelevant to the "argument" you are apparently trying to articulate.

by **LFC2007** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 1:12 am

JoeTerp wrote:Yes football might have started in England, but the only reason why people give a Sh!t about it is because it is a global game that matters to people around the world, and it is a global game because it is a great game. If the game wasn't global, it would be on the same level as hurling.

The only reason people give a sh!t about it?

Who are these 'people' you're referring to?

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