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by **Greavesie** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 5:58 pm

all he said is I want Owen to keep scoring in pre-season and hes still a great player. Dont get the sarcasm of bet people will say hes a Manc

his and Ace's comments about Owen are very different indeed

by **redbeergoggles** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 6:37 pm

Carragher's got enough mates who are red hot Liverpool fans , make no mistake the ones who don't kiss @rse will be making their feelings known especially his dad ,who doesn't mince his words .

I like many others know Owen is still Jamie's mate ,but I still think he would of been best staying quiet on this particular issue ,it simply reaffirms the popular belief that today's players are losing touch with the feelings of real hardcore supporters or indeed the common fan .
I don't think I have ever uttered a bad or defamatory word concerning Jamie ,but he has seriously gone down in my estimation , maybe Owens a tad concerned about the reception he will receive when he visits Anfield ,nevertheless it still perhaps would have been better for all concerned to maybe get the general consensus from the fans on the streets of Liverpool ,before announcing how clever Sir Alex has been in procuring Owen .

by **account deleted by request** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 7:38 pm

Sometimes its hard to stand by a mate, I think you have to admire Carra for standing by Owen, if not for anything else.

by **bigmick** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 10:49 pm

redbeergoggles wrote:Carragher's got enough mates who are red hot Liverpool fans , make no mistake the ones who don't kiss @rse will be making their feelings known especially his dad ,who doesn't mince his words .

I like many others know Owen is still Jamie's mate ,but I still think he would of been best staying quiet on this particular issue ,it simply reaffirms the popular belief that today's players are losing touch with the feelings of real hardcore supporters or indeed the common fan .
I don't think I have ever uttered a bad or defamatory word concerning Jamie ,but he has seriously gone down in my estimation , maybe Owens a tad concerned about the reception he will receive when he visits Anfield ,nevertheless it still perhaps would have been better for all concerned to maybe get the general consensus from the fans on the streets of Liverpool ,before announcing how clever Sir Alex has been in procuring Owen .

I agree with this. I can't quite understand why footballers feel they ALWAYS have to answer a question when asked. Sure Carragher has loyalty to Owen as his long time best mate, but he also has or should have loyalty to the Liverpool fans and manager.

It's all very well planks such as me voicing an opinion on an internet forum that we might have missed out by not signing Owen, but for Carra to imply it by heralding the signing as a "clever piece of business" by United is a bit disrespectful I think.

Why not just grin and say "no comment" when asked about the fact Owen plays for Man Utd. It doesn't mean he can't take his kids round to Mikeys house for Sunday dinner, but it does mean that his comments aren't used to disrespect those who pay his wages (although i'm certain Carra never intended this).

Sometimes footballers should learn to just keep schtum. What next, Masherano saying "Madrid have signed a great player in Xabi, and I'm made up for him going to the biggest club in the World. He must be happy now he hasn't got to play for that c... Benitez".

"Obviously I wish Michael all the best on a personal level, but I hope he wins no trophies and never scores a goal against Liverpool" would do just fine.

by **redbeergoggles** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 11:08 pm

I think the point I was endeavouring to bring to light ,is that while Jamie sees himself as a ordinary bloke who happens to play for Liverpool who is in touch with the sentiments felt by the everyday Joe, his statements in the press are to the contrary ,and these comments he is making are just serving to emphasize the huge chasm that now exists .

Fighting Owen's corner is all well and good privately, but to do so publicly is to the detriment of the fans that hold him in such high esteem

by **Greavesie** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:18 pm

this is probably more of a question for Owzat but does anyone know the percentage of games that Owen has played in and won since leaving us?

by **bigmick** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:39 am

Well so far on the "Owenometer", he's played two and scored none so it's one in the eye for those of us who advocated him being brought back to Liverpool. Also, in the game against Burnley his touch outside the box was poor even by his own standards.

by **we all dream...** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:19 am

It was great to see Owen way off the pace last night at Burnleyl. I hope he doesn't score a single goal for them.

by **bunglemark2** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:28 am

FFS, there are an awful lot of negative comments about Owen here. I think it's a bit childish to be honest. I mean, the guy is a professional footballer. Thesse guys have relatively short careers and have to make the most money they can in that time to set themselves up for the rest of their lives. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, and I reckon if you were in his shoes, you'd do exactly the same thing.
OK, so he left under a cloud to go to Real. Going to Newcastle worked out pretty bad for him, but could he have predicted in advance the sham that the club would become ? Now he has a chance to win some silverware with a club who is paying him below the odds be cause of his recent blighted past, so he took it.
Rafa didn't want him back, and was probably too childish to see beyond his own prejudices.

So leave it out. Let him get on with it.

Though if Zorba the Greek goes in for a one-on-one with him, I of course hope he sends Owen into the middle of Row Z !

by **we all dream...** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:57 am

I understand why he did it but I still hope he fails, he plays for Manchester United for :censored:

sake.

Anyway your post is all over the place. Don't abuse MichaelOwen !!! :sniffle

and then you say 'Rafa didn't want him back, and was probably too childish to see beyond his own prejudices.' You can abuse our manger but I cannot abuse our ex players?

I would like to see Carra split Michael Owen in half at Anfield and Rafa come out and say 'See, we do not lack kwality up front. Our strikers have done a good job for us this season, we have goals form all of our squad players. We did not need to bring in anyone in, even on a free, free sigings are a risk often injured, you never know if they are going to perform and as you can see often they don't.'

by **bunglemark2** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:02 am

we all dream... wrote:I understand why he did it but I still hope he fails, he plays for Manchester United for sake.

Anyway your post is all over the place. Don't abuse MichaelOwen !!! cry and then you say 'Rafa didn't want him back, and was probably too childish to see beyond his own prejudices.

I would like to see Carra split Michael Owen in half and Rafa come out and say 'See, we do not lack kwality up front. Our strikers have done a good job for us this season. We did not need to bring in anyone in, even on a free, free sigings are a risk, you never know if they are going to perform and as you can see often they don't.'

I couldn't give a rats who he scores against, so long as it isn't against us mate...
And the post isn't all over the place either.
In my opinion, Rafa is too childish to go back and sign him after Owen stated he wanted to go to RM way back when. In fact, Rafa is probably one of the most petulant managers in the Premiership at the moment (the Keane saga; the Parry saga; the G&H saga....). Fact is, Owen scores goals.
None of us know if Rubbernose has taken a huge gamble on Owen staying fit long enough, but it doesn't change the fact that that he's a quality poacher when fit.
And Carra ain't gonna cream Owen either - they're best of mates ya divvy....

by **GYBS** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:19 am

So your sticking up for Owen saying we shouldnt slate him while in the same post slating our own manager ?

Owen had two chances to play under Rafa and turned them down both times - how the hell is it being childish because Rafa refused to give him a third chance and take a risk on him when Owen didnt take a chance on Rafa ?

Owen 0
Kuyt 1
Ngog 1
Torres 1

by **Greavesie** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:47 am

hes a kunt it really is that simple, I dont want him to score against any fecker never mind us. Him scoring means scoring for Man U so no chance I want him to get a goal. He can play all he likes

by **bunglemark2** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:19 pm

GYBS wrote:So your sticking up for Owen saying we shouldnt slate him while in the same post slating our own manager ?

Owen had two chances to play under Rafa and turned them down both times - how the hell is it being childish because Rafa refused to give him a third chance and take a risk on him when Owen didnt take a chance on Rafa ?

Owen 0
Kuyt 1
Ngog 1
Torres 1

Now THAT'S a childish response...
I'm not advocating slating anybody for the hell of it. And yes, I will criticise Rafa for what I - and many others on this forum and beyond - believe to be his inability to handle club matters in the way they traditionally have been i.e. behind closed doors.
I wouldn't criticise Owen for wanting away to Real at the time and to play alongside some of the stars of world football - why not ? what's wrong with that ? did we slate McManaman or Rush or Keegan when they did ?
And going back to the reason he signed for Newcastle - where was the evidence that we wanted him back ?

And that goals tally....farkin' ell.....how many did Owen bang in in preseason ? Or for his country ? Or in the Premiership full stop ?

Stop it now.....you're being silly...

by **Bad Bob** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:48 pm

bunglemark2 wrote:And going back to the reason he signed for Newcastle - where was the evidence that we wanted him back ?

From the BBC webpage

Last Updated: Wednesday, 31 August 2005, 09:18 GMT 10:18 UK

Newcastle prepare to unveil Owen

The England striker, who passed his medical on Tuesday, has agreed a four-year deal and is believed to have cost the Magpies a club record £17m.

Newcastle chairman Freddy Shepherd said: "Bringing Michael here will rank alongside the signing of Alan Shearer as my proudest moment at Newcastle."

Liverpool had wanted to re-sign Owen but baulked at Real's asking price.

Owen revealed Everton boss David Moyes rang him on Monday evening to ask if he would consider a move to Goodison Park.

He told The Times: "Just before I arrived home, David Moyes rang to see if there was a chance of getting me to Goodison Park and to wish me luck if not.

"I think he must have known that my Dad was briefly an Everton player and I used to follow them as a boy."

Once Owen completes his move to Newcastle, his arrival at St James' Park will eclipse the money the club spent in signing Alan Shearer for £15m from Blackburn in July 1996.

The details of his contract with the Magpies are not known but reports suggest there may be various get-out clauses depending on the team's performance.

"It will be a great achievement if we sign Michael," Newcastle manager Graeme Souness told the club's official website.

"In football, the hardest thing to get is someone who puts the ball in the back of the net and Michael is the best at doing that for England.

"I'd say it's the biggest transfer I've been involved in as a manager of any football club."

England coach Sven-Goran Eriksson believes it is a major boost knowing Owen will play regular football before next year's World Cup.

"It is a great club. He will play regular football, much more than last season. I suppose he is very happy," said the Swede.

"He will score goals for them and it is great to play with Alan Shearer. He is a good targetman and will give Michael Owen many chances, I am sure of that."

Eriksson reveals Owen concern

Owen was left out of Madrid's squad for the first game of their season after falling behind Ronaldo, Raul, Julio Baptista and Robinho in the pecking order at the Bernabeu.

"The transfer is official," said Real Madrid director of football Arrigo Sacchi.

"He is already a player for the English club. Real Madrid have been happy with him and we thank him for all that he has done here. We wish the best for the future.

"He asked to leave because we are in World Cup year and here he was not going to play regularly. We didn't want to let him go and only when a decent offer arrived did we consider selling. We wish him luck and hope all goes well.

"It's clear we have lost something but you can't keep a player when he wants to go. He is one of the best strikers in the world but here we have Robinho, Guti, Raul, Ronaldo and he wasn't going to play much."

Owen travelled to England and met Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez for two-and-a-half hours on Monday before going to Northumberland.

There he met Newcastle chairman Freddy Shepherd and his son, manager Graeme Souness, captain Alan Shearer and coach Dean Saunders.

Owen had said he would only play for the Magpies on a one-year loan deal but he has been convinced to sign permanently in a coup for the club.

The player is England's fourth all-time highest goalscorer with 32 goals and, even though he is suspended for the World Cup qualifier against Wales on Saturday, he should return to play Northern Ireland on 7 September.

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This is just one of several of the news reports from that time that clearly indicate that Rafa was looking to sign Owen back from Madrid but couldn't match Newcastle's bid nor convince Owen to dig his heels in for a move to Liverpool.

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