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by **account deleted by request** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 3:54 pm

Fauxy wrote:Im not gonna say that I hope he breaks his leg or anything but I hope he finds no success at united.

Spot on with this part mate :nod

by **GYBS** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 5:08 pm

Yep dont wish injury on him just want him to never score a goal or an assist and win feck all with them .

by **Lando_Griffin** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 5:57 pm

mkingdom wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
mkingdom wrote:If it is so bad, then why did Ince come to us, after his stint in Italy? He was still a Manc wasn't he? Why were we trying to sign Tevez...don't give me this "on loan" [email]cr@p...he[/email] was a manc too.
What an offensive little man you are.

I never said you wanted Owen near the club...not sure what you are smoking?? You are in such a rush to argue and spout cr@p you forget the points being made. Whatever fills your sad little life I suppose.

I'm not surprised that you are struggling to grasp this, but once again, I am saying that Owen on a free would be a better attacking option than our current plan B players.

If we sign someone else better than Owen than that is fine, so I am trusting that Rafa has that up his sleeve. If he hasn't and we start next season with Torres plus average toss, we run the risk of regretting not signing Owen.

Simples??

I believe YOU are the only one struggling to grasp anything.

My issue was firmly with the bold part of your post, you soft a*se.

Lando, I understand that picking fights on here is the only thing to fill the voids in your day between visits from your home help, but if you want to argue a point, try having one.

You say your issue was around the bit in bold....what is your issue?

It is factually correct that Ince came to us after being a Manc, and was accepted at Liverpool by most, and to date hasn't been killed by a baying Manc mob!!

I'm not saying I agree with what Owen has done, but I can see why he has.

It is also a fact to say that Owen is a better striking option than our current back up strikers, and I think we should have had him back, but as I have said three times now, I trust and hope Rafa has a plan that will make me see we don't need Owen as he is about to bring in a striker on a whole new level.

Over to you to invent new random points to "disagree with" just so you can roll out your twelve word vocabulary.

Trying to explain the bleeding obvious to you is somewhat like bathing a cat...

You said 'Why were we trying to sign Tevez...don't give me this "on loan" [email]cr@p...he[/email] was a manc too.[/b]"

Now - pay particular attention to the "don't give me this 'on loan' cr*p" area of your revelation.

My point, you increasingly annoying peasant, is that I DID NOT WANT US TO SIGN TEVEZ AND MADE THIS PATENTLY CLEAR IN THE TEVEZ THREAD. The part I quoted was written to suggest that I had previously yearned for the Herman Munster-looking scrubber when this is farther from the case than the gap between your ears.

Are we understanding, yet, or shall I email you a copy of my "12 word vocabulary"?

Cue the oft-seen before doomed middle-management-type, fresh from redundancy, who THINKS he has the upper hand attempt a further foray into the literary battlefield, only to get his head blown off...

by **Dundalk** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 9:13 pm

From Soccernet:

It's lucky for Michael Owen that Sir Alex Ferguson rates him, because Manchester United supporters certainly do not. Since he signed on Friday, the club shop has yet to receive a single request for an Owen shirt.

This evidences just how widely the dissatisfaction with his purchase is felt; very few supporters feel that he is good enough to play for the team, and just as many are resentful of having an ex-Liverpool player in the squad.

An employee at United's megastore commented that:

"We haven't got his number yet, which might have had an effect, [but] we are not expecting a big demand even when that is known. As far as I know, no one has asked for [it]".

by **mkingdom** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 10:37 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:
mkingdom wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
mkingdom wrote:If it is so bad, then why did Ince come to us, after his stint in Italy? He was still a Manc wasn't he? Why were we trying to sign Tevez...don't give me this "on loan" [email]cr@p...he[/email] was a manc too.
What an offensive little man you are.

I never said you wanted Owen near the club...not sure what you are smoking?? You are in such a rush to argue and spout cr@p you forget the points being made. Whatever fills your sad little life I suppose.

I'm not surprised that you are struggling to grasp this, but once again, I am saying that Owen on a free would be a better attacking option than our current plan B players.

If we sign someone else better than Owen than that is fine, so I am trusting that Rafa has that up his sleeve. If he hasn't and we start next season with Torres plus average toss, we run the risk of regretting not signing Owen.

Simples??

I believe YOU are the only one struggling to grasp anything.

My issue was firmly with the bold part of your post, you soft a*se.

Lando, I understand that picking fights on here is the only thing to fill the voids in your day between visits from your home help, but if you want to argue a point, try having one.

You say your issue was around the bit in bold....what is your issue?

It is factually correct that Ince came to us after being a Manc, and was accepted at Liverpool by most, and to date hasn't been killed by a baying Manc mob!!

I'm not saying I agree with what Owen has done, but I can see why he has.

It is also a fact to say that Owen is a better striking option than our current back up strikers, and I think we should have had him back, but as I have said three times now, I trust and hope Rafa has a plan that will make me see we don't need Owen as he is about to bring in a striker on a whole new level.

Over to you to invent new random points to "disagree with" just so you can roll out your twelve word vocabulary.

Trying to explain the bleeding obvious to you is somewhat like bathing a cat...

You said 'Why were we trying to sign Tevez...don't give me this "on loan" [email]cr@p...he[/email] was a manc too.[/b]"

Now - pay particular attention to the "don't give me this 'on loan' cr*p" area of your revelation.

My point, you increasingly annoying peasant, is that I DID NOT WANT US TO SIGN TEVEZ AND MADE THIS PATENTLY CLEAR IN THE TEVEZ THREAD. The part I quoted was written to suggest that I had previously yearned for the Herman Munster-looking scrubber when this is farther from the case than the gap between your ears.

Are we understanding, yet, or shall I email you a copy of my "12 word vocabulary"?

Cue the oft-seen before doomed middle-management-type, fresh from redundancy, who THINKS he has the upper hand attempt a further foray into the literary battlefield, only to get his head blown off...

Foray? Impressive!!

I never said you wanted Tevez did I? I was just demonstrating that moves for ex Mancs to LFC had happened (ince) or been close to happening (tevez) without the apocolyptic happenings you were fortelling.

***Waits for Lando to look the bigger words up***

I did like the Herman Munster reference though.

Not close on the middle management or redundancy thing though. Enjoyed the attempt though.

by **Emerald Red** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:58 pm

I think it's pretty unanimous amongst Liverpool supports where Owen now stands as far as reverence goes. Though I do hope that when the judas does come to Anfield (pray he does) that we show that we've moved on and that we are now a far greater unit than any he ever played in with us. I hope we concentrate on singing the name of our current superstar striker, who is now widely regarded as the best in the world by football supporters around the globe (something he was never rated as) just to spite him and show that we've moved on to far bigger and better things and not to show the Mancs that we are overly annoyed by his back-stabbing antics.

Viva Fernando Torres.

by **Madmax** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:57 am

Would be funny and yet brilliant if we win the title, another kick to owens rear. Leaving us for real we won the champions league. Opting for the scums and this time around we win the premiership.

by **Madmax** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 3:30 am

did'nt know where to post this but might aswel here..

Enjoy

ugly scums

by **Lando_Griffin** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:28 am

mkingdom wrote:Foray? Impressive!!

I never said you wanted Tevez did I? I was just demonstrating that moves for ex Mancs to LFC had happened (ince) or been close to happening (tevez) without the apocolyptic happenings you were fortelling.

***Waits for Lando to look the bigger words up***

I did like the Herman Munster reference though.

Not close on the middle management or redundancy thing though. Enjoyed the attempt though.

Enlighten me - where did I allude to Owen's transfer causing the end of the World?

by **Lando_Griffin** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:38 am

s@int wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
s@int wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
s@int wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:
s@int wrote:
Dundalk wrote:Listen I don't hope he breaks his legs or anything like that buri don't think what he has done can be forgiven and he lost the respect of every Liverpool fan the day he pulled on a united shirt

I agree Dundalk, but there are still two sides to every story, and I think we missed a chance by ALLOWING him to sign for the mancs. We had first option and we turned him down time after time.

As I have said before, I hope he fails miserably at the mancs. Not because I hate Owen but because I hate the mancs.

If rafa doesn't rate him saint , should he have just signed him so the mancs couldn't . It's like saying well rafa should have signed carrick or nani or hargreaves or berbatov so the mancs couldn't .

All i will say is that owen knows exactly what he was doing by signing for the mancs . So he should expect the reaction he's going to get . If you make your bed and all that.

That's fair enough Igor, but should Owen have to spend the rest of his career making his decisions based on what a club that he last played for 5 years ago, that doesn't want him, and certain fans that have never liked him (Lando), rather than on what is best for his career and family? Should he choose to go to a club where there is no chance of winning trophies, where he will be in a constant battle against relegation just to keep some fans happy?

FFS mate, I don't like him going to the mancs BECAUSE I liked him as a player, but I can't blame him. I do question why WE didn't sign him though.

If you were out of work, would you refuse to work for a bus company just because the people at the railways wouldn't like it, even though they didn't want you back?

Ask yourself WHY I've never liked him.

Because he's a self-centred tw*t.

I have and decided its was because you are a cluless idiot.

Or a better judge of character than a dead-beat loser like you...

I picked you out quickly enough

Pedantic it may be, but I singled you out the moment you began posting.

Surely you recall your "first experience of Lando" which made you "consider cutting my (your) losses"?

To paraphrase, of course - I do not have your appetite for the research of threads.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:47 am

s@int wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
s@int wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
s@int wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
s@int wrote:
Lets face it if he so passionately cares about LFC and its in his heart and he soooo wanted back..Why the fu'ck did he come out and say "I said yes in an instant" to Alex Ferguson??

Because Liverpool (RAFA) didn't want him. What is he supposed to do refuse all offers to play football on the off chance that Liverpool finally decide to allow him back?

What was he supposed to say "I have signed for the mancs (who I hate) but only because I was desperate and Liverpool didn't want me".

If you want to hate Owen thats up to you mate, personally I think WE made a mistake in not signing him and allowing him to sign for that shower of sh!te.

Anything to have a pop at Rafa with you, isn't it? Totally disregard the fact that Owen f*cked us over by running his contract down, then f*cked off to Madrid.
Totally disregard the fact that he has only ever been bothered about playing for England, and often went to meaningless international friendlies having missed games for us.
Totally disregard the fact that he could have signed for various other clubs, but chose the Mancs.

Owen is a c*nt, and both you and he will find that out soon enough, when the little backstabbing b*stard is bench-warming for the f*ckers at Anfield.

I hope someone gives him a fitting tribute - by pouring a bucket of steaming rat's p*ss over his little Judas head.

Totally disregard the FACT that he has wanted to come back to Liverpool for years before he finally realised that Liverpool would never sign him under Rafa.

Totally disregard the fact that while he was only "bothered about playing for England" he still managed to score a lot of goals for us , was m.o.t.m. on numerous occasions, played many times for us while injured,and was European player of the year while scoring in finals, all just to warm up for England.

Yet presumably you are more than happy to see our squad filled with players like Morientes, Bellamy,Keane, Voronin and N'Gog because Rafa bought them

Shut up, you soft tart.

Owen only ever plays for Owen. He f8cking SHOULD have scored a lot of goals for us, the amount of games he played! The entire team was built around him at one point!

Come up with any excuse or comparison you want - a true red would NEVER join those c*nts.

And why didn't you compare Owen with Torres?

I guess comparing an ex first-choice striker with a current first choice isn't as favourable to your argument as comparing him with a series of back-ups...

And like it or lump it - Morientes has achieved more than Owen ever will.

Now stop brown-tonguing a blatant Judas just to try and stick the knife into Rafa. He's twice the man you will ever be.

Stop acting like a little boy who has had his lunch money stolen and get some balls or at the very least some brains. If Owen had come back it would NOT have been to replace Torres .... would it ?

So shut up and get on with crying over Alonso, and leave the football discussion to the grown ups.

You truly are a dickhead. You know full well that the reason you didn't compare Owen with Torres is because Torres is infinitely better than your favourite little rentboy.

Who is better; Morientes or Viduka? Bellemy or Viduka? Keane or Viduka?

It's never been the Aussie, yet he was keeping a fit Owen on the bench.

Voronin hasn't played here for 3 seasons, and N'Gog was signed as a player for the future.

Now stop grasping at straws. Rafa made the right decision to turn the back-stabbing callgirl down - deal with it.

Stick to what you know Lando..... throwing insults.

The problem is we have only ONE decent striker and are left relying on " Voronin hasn't played here for 3 seasons, and N'Gog was signed as a player for the future" if Torres gets hurt.

Newcastle were a side creating few if any chances, Owen is a goal poacher who feeds off chances, Viduka is a player who you can just kick high balls up to.

Try using your brains more and not the huge hole you call a mouth.

The only reason Shearer picked Viduka was because Owen was not good enough. Viduka is lazy, slow and limited. Owen is lazy, slow and mentally deficient.

Duff and N'Zogbia were good enough to pass the ball into space behind the defence, where Owen could run through and face the 'keeper one-on-one. All he needed was blistering pace.

Oh, wait...

Owen hasn't been right in the head for years, has always played for himself and has no sense of loyalty whatsoever.

Since his sprinting ability has declined, so has his game as he was always overly reliant upon it.

by **red_guy** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 6:07 am

Madmax wrote:Would be funny and yet brilliant if we win the title, another kick to owens rear. Leaving us for real we won the champions league. Opting for the scums and this time around we win the premiership.

I was thinking the same thing.... i think it's going to happen.

by **bigmick** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 6:25 am

On balance I'd have taken Owen as I've said, whereas many wouldn't. I'm not 100% set on the whole idea (infact I was siding on the "nah give him a miss" side of the debate a few months back), but given our apparent financial state I'd have given him a shot on a free. We could as many have said, always have flogged him on if he flopped.

The bit I don't get though is why people are being so adamant about the whole thing. None of us really know for sure whether he will be a success with the Mancs or not, but we are about to find out so why not just give your opinion and wait? Why does it have to be polarised into a big row, simply because some people think he still has a goal or two in him, and some people don't?

As I've said a couple of times, if we don't get a good replacement/cover for Torres and Owen turns out to be a success with the Mancs, then inevitably people will say we should have signed him. They won't necessarily have to hate Rafa with a passion to come to that conclusion either, it will merely be logic. Similarly, if he bombs out either by being constantly injured or by playing consistently sh!t, the manager deserves credit for not taking what was a fairly obvious and easy option.

If he is subsequently a failure, I'll be more than happy to admit I was wrong in advocating re-signing him. Why aren't people prepared to wai and see though before throwing their tantrums?

by **babu** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 7:34 am

Bigmick, I think you might have a point there.

You said a few weeks back you were in the 'give him a miss' camp. But have since changed your mind, think this might have something to do with a top 4 club signing him. Had it been sunderland, no body would have cared.

Personally I would have like to have seen him at Liverpool again, but if I was the Gaffer there is NO CHANCE i would have signed him. It would have opened me up to so much criticism (and I suspect on this forum quite a bit).

The is a massive chance he will flop, continue being a sick note. Rafa would have recieved plenty of stick for this, he would have been blamed left and right, why did you sign him when he couldn't even get a start at Newcastle?

Of course there is a chance we would not have flopped, but on the balance of risk, I think Rafa made the right choice.

The panic now is, what if he doesn't flop at Man United? (ps if he did well at sunderland, we'd all wish him luck)

He will fail at United, I'm sure of it, the alternative is too terrible to consider.

by **GYBS** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 11:33 am

bigmick wrote:On balance I'd have taken Owen as I've said, whereas many wouldn't. I'm not 100% set on the whole idea (infact I was siding on the "nah give him a miss" side of the debate a few months back), but given our apparent financial state I'd have given him a shot on a free. We could as many have said, always have flogged him on if he flopped.

The bit I don't get though is why people are being so adamant about the whole thing. None of us really know for sure whether he will be a success with the Mancs or not, but we are about to find out so why not just give your opinion and wait? Why does it have to be polarised into a big row, simply because some people think he still has a goal or two in him, and some people don't?

As I've said a couple of times, if we don't get a good replacement/cover for Torres and Owen turns out to be a success with the Mancs, then inevitably people will say we should have signed him. They won't necessarily have to hate Rafa with a passion to come to that conclusion either, it will merely be logic. Similarly, if he bombs out either by being constantly injured or by playing consistently sh!t, the manager deserves credit for not taking what was a fairly obvious and easy option.

If he is subsequently a failure, I'll be more than happy to admit I was wrong in advocating re-signing him. Why aren't people prepared to wai and see though before throwing their tantrums?

They won't necessarily have to hate Rafa with a passion to come to that conclusion either, it will merely be logic.

You have mentioned this in this thread a number of times and in the other threads where the mods are getting a good moaning about ?!

when has anyone ever suggested that someone who wanted owen and thought he might be worth a shout hates Rafa ?! i really think your adding 2 and 2 and coming up with 5 mick here . People didnt want Owen cause they think he is off no use to us anymore - nothing to do with any pro or anti Rafa .

Most of the people think he is a judas little sh.it because he was taught and Liverpool made him the player he is now and he has gone to our biggest most hated rivals in the prem and he has stated that its a dream come true ?!

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