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by **bigmick** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 1:08 am

NANNY RED wrote: ive always loved this song

OFF mOURINIO

An I dont give a s.*i*e if i upset anyone i hate the ba.stard

I shouldn't think you'll upset anyone on here with that song Nan. I don't think anyone is massively into his arrogance, I know I'm not. He does win lots of football matches though, a bit like Ferguson. A bit of a c..., but without doubt a top manager.

I should point out as well that increasingly I don't buy into the idea that Rafa is such a lovely bloke with the clubs best interests at heart either. The main difference between him and Mourinho form what I can see is that one of them wins lots of football matches and the other one doesn't.

by **NANNY RED** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 1:23 am

bigmick wrote:
NANNY RED wrote::laugh: ive always loved this song

OFF mOURINIO

An I dont give a s.*i*e if i upset anyone i hate the ba.stard

I shouldn't think you'll upset anyone on here with that song Nan. I don't think anyone is massively into his arrogance, I know I'm not. He does win lots of football matches though, a bit like Ferguson. A bit of a c..., but without doubt a top manager.

I should point out as well that increasingly I don't buy into the idea that Rafa is such a lovely bloke with the clubs best interests at heart either. The main difference between him and Mourinho form what I can see is that one of them wins lots of football matches and the other one doesn't.

I cant help meself Mick i really do hate him god strick me down dead. You know when you just take a dislike to someone an then it just escalates . i never liked him even when he was at Porto an then it just went from bad to worse when he came to Chelsea, I really dislike him, he might be an ok football manager but thats about it for me , i dont think hes the great messiah that everyones making him out to be.

Actualy theres not alot of people that really dislike but hes one of them .

by **Toffeehater** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 1:46 am

Sergio Kun Aguero with the decisive goal in the barca , athelti match . 4-3 , athletico won .

DD , thats more of a hopeful punt , but its a brilliant goal

by **zarababe** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 4:18 pm

The mighty Villa - threw away a 2-0 lead against .... Stoke, ended 2-2

by **Dundalk** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 4:24 pm

Thank God they did or they would only be a point behind us and we still have to play them

by **zarababe** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 4:25 pm

anno - the one result that helped uz

by **bigmick** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 8:38 pm

Yes Villa dropping points is a big result. We absolutely MUST try and finish in the first three. Second is going to be tricky now as Chelsea have managed to find a manager out in that arid desert where good managers simply don't exist, so third might just be our holy grail. We should definately be alright for fourth as Arsenal can't score a goal.

Zara's right though, we'd better start watching out for Villa's results from now on.

by **dawson99** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 9:07 pm

bigmick wrote:Yes Villa dropping points is a big result. We absolutely MUST try and finish in the first three. Second is going to be tricky now as Chelsea have managed to find a manager out in that arid desert where good managers simply don't exist, so third might just be our holy grail. We should definately be alright for fourth as Arsenal can't score a goal.

Zara's right though, we'd better start watching out for Villa's results from now on.

We're only 3rd on goal difference mate and Chelsea have a semi tough draw. Sounds like you are almost willing us to fail sometimes

by **bigmick** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 9:55 pm

dawson99 wrote:Sounds like you are almost willing us to fail sometimes

Surely the most ancient of the old chestnuts Daws'.

by **dawson99** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 9:58 pm

Eh?
You're on about the struggle for 3rd, how you think 2nd is now a distant dream, yet we got a decent run in. We need to improove but you know we can do it, so we shall do it!
You'd like a bit more failure so the club can go the way you want it too, without Rafa

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:04 pm

Chelsea fixtures

3 Portsmouth (a)

14 Man City (h)

21 Tottenham (a)

April

4 Newcastle (a)

11 Bolton (h)

18 Everton (h)

25 West Ham (a)

May

2 Fulham (h)

9 Arsenal (a)

16 Blackburn (h)

24 Sunderland (a)

Liverpool fixtures

4 Sunderland (h)

14 Man Utd (a)

21 Aston Villa (h)

April

4 Fulham (a)

11 Blackburn (h)

18 Arsenal (h)

25 Hull (a)

May

2 Newcastle (h)

9 West Ham (a)

16 West Brom (a)

24 Tottenham (h)

by **dawson99** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:05 pm

ok, pretty much the same for both, but we're due a run and some luck

by **bigmick** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:35 pm

dawson99 wrote:Eh?
You're on about the struggle for 3rd, how you think 2nd is now a distant dream, yet we got a decent run in. We need to improove but you know we can do it, so we shall do it!
You'd like a bit more failure so the club can go the way you want it too, without Rafa

I don't think "a bit more failure" is going to make any difference Daws'. Look at how we've gone this season, presented with a massive chance to break our barren run in the Premiership, and we fecked it up. Look at how we've gone with transfers, both ins and outs. Look at how the manager has conducted himself, both publically and behind closed doors. Look at how the personal aspirations of one man have been put above all else. Look at how good the squad is after 5 seasons and 200 million quid spent. Look at how good some of the players we've moved on are in comparison to some of the ones we've kept, and some of the ones we've bought. Look at our proud record of league title wins being levelled up by the Mancs. Look at how Aston Villa have come from nowhere to be one of our rivals, how man City are improving and will also contest the top four next season (they will too, mark my words). Look at how we aren't bringing kids up through the academy because the manager has a personality clash with someone down there, and how we aren't bringing through youngsters to the first team at all.

When you look at all that, and consider that the vast majority of fans STILL support the manager, I hardly think a few more defeats is going to change things, do you? All that happens when we feck it up, as we've seen many times in the past, is that the owners suddenly are more to blame, it's Parry, or we haven'ty got enough money. None of that gets a mention when we're doing well of course, only when we feck it up.

Since you ask, I want Liverpool to win every match more than ever, particularly in the Champions League. Let me explain.

Firstly, if we win it it'll be six times and that'll be fantastic. Secondly, I've said many times that despite his fairly obvious failings, rafa is no fool. He knows I think that he is a busted flush at Anfield. The players aren't daft either, and Carragher and Gerrard give me the distinct impression that they're "enough already" with the Rafalution. I have absolutely no doubts that if we win the Champions League, Rafa will be more tempted than ever to feck off. "They wouldn't give me the control I needed" and all that. It'll be a true win win situation. as for the league, provided we finish in the top four I should think the majority of people will hail it as a triumph anyway. "We may not have got as many points as last season but we did get more corners" or something of that ilk I should think.

Having had the "you want the team to lose" thing for four years though Daws', forgive me if I don't have more sympathy with that line of argument.

by **dawson99** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:38 pm

But you are getting it more now due to salivating over Maureen and Avram...

The funny thing is, part of me knows we are getting stale and we need a change. Against the bigger teams we can pull off a result but against the smaller teams we cannot? that's fault in management.
And Rafa buys and sells too often, but in Keanes case I think he was saving whatever money he could. Ratehr lose 1mill now than 11 mill in the summer.

Through all these faults though I still maintain that Rafa is the one to lead us to premiership glory, no matter how blind that may make me seem, just my preference so I won't say I hope we get all the ex Chelsea managers as I think the guy that we have is better.

by **bigmick** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:56 pm

dawson99 wrote:But you are getting it more now due to salivating over Maureen and Avram...

The funny thing is, part of me knows we are getting stale and we need a change. Against the bigger teams we can pull off a result but against the smaller teams we cannot? that's fault in management.
And Rafa buys and sells too often, but in Keanes case I think he was saving whatever money he could. Ratehr lose 1mill now than 11 mill in the summer.

Through all these faults though I still maintain that Rafa is the one to lead us to premiership glory, no matter how blind that may make me seem, just my preference so I won't say I hope we get all the ex Chelsea managers as I think the guy that we have is better.

Nobodies salivating over maureen Daws. He ISN'T going to ever be our manager, so salivating is pointless. Similarly, I can't imagine anyone salivating over Avram Grant in any capacity. I merely started a thread on Maureen to ask whether he was any good as he got left out of GYBS's poll. Needless to say, he got slagged off by all and sundry, but when I actually properly looked at his record it is fantastic.

I refer to him now occasionally, to dispel this ridiculous notion that we are in the presence of greatness with our current manager. Fine if people like you want him to continue and think he will get us there, he may do that yet and everyone can have their day in the sun, but when I keep reading about what a genius he is, the messiah, the new Shankly and all that tripe I can't resist referring to a manager who genuinely is successful, properly so wherever he's gone. No salivating though, I just use it as a counterpoint to the "well it took fergie 7 years" nonsense. It did, and it took Wenger and Mourinho 1.

As for Avram Grant, he's my counter to the equally ridiculous "but there's nobody else" argument. What, nobody else could win no trophies and get nowhere near winning the league while spunking money left right and centre on transfers? Is there really nobody else in the World that could do that? This is where Avram grant comes in. Nobody had heard of him till he was given the riegns at Chelsea last season. They almost tied for the league, and came within a penalty kick of winning the Champions League. In the transfer market, he bought Nicolas annelka for 14 million quid, which makes Keane look like a top buy at 20 mill doesn't it?

And you'll have to run this "we only lost 1 million on Keane" by me again, because as much as I've tried I don't get it. If we paid 20, and they're paying 12-15, how have we only lost 1 million?

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