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by **Reg** » Fri Apr 02, 2010 10:33 am

I'm up for it, being him on.

by **laza** » Fri Apr 02, 2010 1:55 pm

ConnO'var wrote:Mick,

In my mind, we would have definitely been better off in terms of points. I still wouldn't have him though.... because as good as he is, he's not the only one out there that could have done this. Kenny and Guus would have been equally capable of squeezing more results out of this present squad..... they however, would have done it with more grace and dignity.

A large part of me not wanting him here is simply because I cannot stand the man. Reminds too much of Fergie.... The way he portrays the image of the club that is. I can take arrogance but not the kind of disrespect that these 2 exhibit.

Will I support him if he does take the job? 100%. But I think we could be doing better in choosing, our so called, "front man" to represent the face of the club.

More "heart" than "head" in the reasoning though...

That's an excellent post that sums it up for nicely me as well

by **red37** » Fri Apr 02, 2010 8:27 pm

That Lawton article failed to mention Man City as a possible (probable)

destination. Lets face it, their stature in the game in terms of historic achievment and European prowess might not be high - but their ascendant and ambitious star is. There are justifiable factors in assessing them as being a 'better fit' for Mourinho's stock.

Man City would present something of a win-win situation for him. They've had some success - then decline - now they are aiming for the summit. With intensity. Heavily backed financially, new stadium, equally as vociferous and expectant fanbase in light of those facts and most pertinant of all - a very strong and comprehensive squad = Potential.

Liverpool present a massive gamble on both parties side - you could argue a strong case that its fast becoming high time for a 's.hit or bust' or 'sink or swim' mindset to be adopted out of exasperation given the inexorable fall from grace that is gaining more velocity amongst its supporters with each and every lost opportunity to add a 19th League crown. And while there is significant turmoil undermining the club...its feasible that the time has arrived where radical change is simply inevitable. The first team has to be put as the sole number one priority. Having stated the obvious, it remains we are almost unsurpassed by our contempories through this clubs heritage - thus far. The one decisive element here is that there is a real Pedigree. Maintaining and augmenting that has proven akin to the discovery of the Holy Grail for the four encumbants since the last successful Liverpool manager Dalglish.

Maybe that challenge is too pressurized a task even for the calibre of a manager such as Mourinho - He is just as liable to flounce off into the sunset at the slightest inference of mutiny than he is to sticking a job out til the bitter end. Maybe he would relish it....and flourish. Either way, should he decide to return to the Premier League the choice could be described as being between one of 'rags to riches' or the alternative scenario: 'pheonix from the flames'

One thing that does strike me with Mourinho, aside from his ego is: I doubt his primary driving ambition is fuelled by the prospect of almost limitless monetary gain. But is one borne out of earning even greater kudos and respect amongst his peers.

I suspect he might choose the path of least resistance in order to accomplish that aim.

by **ConnO'var** » Sat Apr 03, 2010 11:17 am

NANNY RED wrote:
ConnO'var wrote:A large part of me not wanting him here is simply because I cannot stand the man. Reminds too much of Fergie.... The way he portrays the image of the club that is. I can take arrogance but not the kind of disrespect that these 2 exhibit.

Will I support him if he does take the job? 100%. But I think we could be doing better in choosing, our so called, "front man" to represent the face of the club.

More "heart" than "head" in the reasoning though...

Thats it for me and all Conn ,but you say it so much better

Cheers Nan..... You not flirting with are yer Nan?
Sara would have one of me "dingleberries" if she found out!

:laugh:

by **tubby** » Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:22 pm

zarababe wrote:He's a fuc'in disgrace - disrespected Rafa, Gerrard and this club.. even though he yearned the passion of this club at his (remember those checkered flags at CFC ).. and so you don't sell your soul to the devil - n matter how desperate you are .. I will abstain from supporting LFC (if it is possible) if he ever came.. I loathe him

I don't think he personally came up with the idea for the flags. Yes he can be a tw.at at times but that was all to deflect media attention away from the team and to himself. The bottom line is his teams are always well organised and he is a winner. Sure he will want money to spend but who wouldn't if they were charged with winning a league title?

I support the club, not individuals. Bring him on I say!

by **account deleted by request** » Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:24 pm

bavlondon wrote:
zarababe wrote:He's a fuc'in disgrace - disrespected Rafa, Gerrard and this club.. even though he yearned the passion of this club at his (remember those checkered flags at CFC ).. and so you don't sell your soul to the devil - n matter how desperate you are .. I will abstain from supporting LFC (if it is possible) if he ever came.. I loathe him

I don't think he personally came up with the idea for the flags. Yes he can be a tw.at at times but that was all to deflect media attention away from the team and to himself. The bottom line is his teams are always well organised and he is a winner. Sure he will want money to spend but who wouldn't if they were charged with winning a league title?

I support the club, not individuals. Bring him on I say!

good post Bav :nod

by **Reg** » Sat Apr 03, 2010 4:01 pm

red37 wrote:That Lawton article failed to mention Man City as a possible (probable) destination. Lets face it, their stature in the game in terms of historic achievment and European prowess might not be high - but their ascendant and ambitious star is. There are justifiable factors in assessing them as being a 'better fit' for Mourinho's stock.

Man City would present something of a win-win situation for him. They've had some success - then decline - now they are aiming for the summit. With intensity. Heavily backed financially, new stadium, equally as vociferous and expectant fanbase in light of those facts and most pertinant of all - a very strong and comprehensive squad = Potential.

Liverpool present a massive gamble on both parties side - you could argue a strong case that its fast becoming high time for a 's.hit or bust' or 'sink or swim' mindset to be adopted out of exasperation given the inexorable fall from grace that is gaining more velocity amongst its supporters with each and every lost opportunity to add a 19th League crown. And while there is significant turmoil undermining the club...its feasible that the time has arrived where radical change is simply inevitable. The first team has to be put as the sole number one priority. Having stated the obvious, it remains we are almost unsurpassed by our contempories through this clubs heritage - thus far. The one decisive element here is that there is a real Pedigree. Maintaining and augmenting that has proven akin to the discovery of the Holy Grail for the four encumbants since the last successful Liverpool manager Dalglish.

Maybe that challenge is too pressurized a task even for the calibre of a manager such as Mourinho - He is just as liable to flounce off into the sunset at the slightest inference of mutiny than he is to sticking a job out til the bitter end. Maybe he would relish it....and flourish. Either way, should he decide to return to the Premier League the choice could be described as being between one of 'rags to riches' or the alternative scenario: 'pheonix from the flames'

One thing that does strike me with Mourinho, aside from his ego is: I doubt his primary driving ambition is fuelled by the prospect of almost limitless monetary gain. But is one borne out of earning even greater kudos and respect amongst his peers.

I suspect he might choose the path of least resistance in order to accomplish that aim.

Good post. The risk for Liverpool is appointing him then either he resigning in a huff after 2 years or the club having to sack him, both of which would set us back another 5 years and once again tarnish our image and threat potential. We're at a delicate stage now and cant afford to lose any more reputation.

by **bigmick** » Tue Apr 06, 2010 7:26 pm

Looks like Inter are crusing into the Champions League semi's. Pretty special achievement as no Italian team has done it for a while. That's three Champions League semi's with three different clubs over about a five year period. Not too shabby for someone who is "tactically inept". Mind you, beating Chelsea who look like they'll win our league Home and Away was fairly decent too.

Thank God we haven't got their manager though. I don't like his coat, and if he becomes our manager I'm going to stop supporting the team. I expect all real fans will feel the same.

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Apr 06, 2010 7:51 pm

He wont come to us - anyone who thinks he will is in dream land .

Look forward to seeing his Inter team get a thumping from Barce .

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Wed Apr 07, 2010 8:40 pm

bigmick wrote:Looks like Inter are crusing into the Champions League semi's. Pretty special achievement as no Italian team has done it for a while. That's three Champions League semi's with three different clubs over about a five year period. Not too shabby for someone who is "tactically inept". Mind you, beating Chelsea who look like they'll win our league Home and Away was fairly decent too.

Thank God we haven't got their manager though. I don't like his coat, and if he becomes our manager I'm going to stop supporting the team. I expect all real fans will feel the same.

by **account deleted by request** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:11 am

By Sam Lyon
BBC Sport Exclusive
For a man with a CV that bursts at the seams, Jose Mourinho remains something of a polemical figure in football.
Few would deny he can be an inspirational, astute and effervescent coach, even fewer that he is one of the game's winners.
But still the 49-year-old can divide opinion. If it's not the Portuguese's brash approach in the media, it's the accusation that he values substance over style.
He may be able to boast five league titles, seven other domestic trophies, a Champions League and a Uefa Cup, but some are less convinced he upholds the values of "the beautiful game" or that his media performances do not occasionally lean too far towards football's dark arts.

Mourinho has managed to get himself on the wrong side of the Italian press more than once this season - he is refusing to deal with them at the moment - while Italian football expert Gabriele Marcotti once commented that the Inter boss "overdid it a bit in terms of focusing on results" in his first season in Serie A.

Yet talk to those who have worked in and around Mourinho and it is difficult to find someone with a bad word to say against him.

What Mourinho does from day one, and is absolutely key, is that he gives the players a cause to fight for

A former Chelsea insider
A former Chelsea insider describes him as "an absolute gentleman who is always happy to lend an ear, always willing to offer advice and help, and a man who works unbelievably hard for his club."

And stack up the testimonies of those willing to pay tribute to Mourinho, and the less convincing his critics become.

Argentina legend and now manager Maradona calls Mourinho "the complete trainer" who "has everything: he knows how to talk to the players, the press, the dressing room. For me he is the best."

And as for those who consider the Portuguese one-dimensional tactically, the Chelsea insider, who worked closely with Mourinho at Stamford Bridge, says: "Look closely and you realise style is hugely important to Jose.

"The two times he won the league with Chelsea, he did so in the main playing cracking football, with pace and width, and scoring more goals than anyone in the league.

"When that flowing football wasn't possible - because of player availability or the opposition, perhaps - then you saw his teams grind it out."

That has been borne out this season with Inter.

In Mourinho's first season, a lot of Inter fans were underwhelmed with his stewardship despite him leading them to the league and cup double, in part because of the style of football on show, but also because he was unable to lead them past the quarter-finals of the holy grail - the Champions League.

The last time Inter won the European Cup was back in 1965.

This season, though, Mourinho has won over the Inter fans and then some, with John Foot, author of Calcio: A History of Italian Football, claiming he is now a god in the eyes of Inter supporters.

And that is down to Inter's improved football this term.

Selling Zlatan Ibrahimovic in the summer was something of a turning point for Mourinho, with the Portuguese using the income to purchase Samuel Eto'o, Diego Milito and Wesley Sneijder.

Inter have moved to a more fluid 4-3-3/4-5-1 this season - and in doing so underlining a flexibility in terms of tactics and team shape for which Mourinho is not always credited.

Inter have scored more goals than any other side in Serie A this season, averaging just under two a game.

"When Mourinho arrived in England from Porto he was pretty quickly labelled as a 4-4-2 coach but he is actually very fluid tactically," says Foot. "He proved that at Chelsea when he settled on the 4-3-3 formation that helped them to two titles and he has done similarly at Inter this season.

"He assesses the squad and outlines a formation and style of play that suits the players at his disposal."

As Inter's quarter-final defeat of Chelsea in the Champions League showed, Mourinho is fully capable of altering his team and their philosophy if he believes it will give them an advantage over the opposition.

On that occasion, it was a case of attack being the best form of defence as he deployed Eto'o, Milito, Goran Pandev and Sneijder in an ambitious starting line-up that confounded not just the critics but the opposition.

Inter won 1-0, 3-1 on aggregate, but it could have been more against their exalted rivals, and it prompted the Guardian's Richard Williams to compare Mourinho to the most successful Inter coach of all time - Helenio Herrera, the man known simply as "Il Mago", the magician.

Just like the team his side face on Tuesday, Mourinho insists his players press the opposition all over the pitch, stretch their backline at every opportunity, and refuse to give the opponent's best players room to play.

"Mourinho's teams are always so fit, so strong," says Foot. "Mourinho is the ultimate believer in earning the right to play football. The work he expects players to do without the ball is just as important as their work with the ball, definitely."

European football expert Graham Hunter says: "He is completely calculated, very scientific and very deliberate about everything he does. He is utterly thorough in his analysis, preparation and thinking ahead of a game."

You can bet, therefore, that a plan will have been devised about how to stop Barca playmaker and arguably the best player in the world, Lionel Messi.

"What Mourinho does from day one, and is absolutely key, is that he gives the players a cause to fight for," the Chelsea insider tells me. "Players go that extra yard for him because of that cause.

"If you buy into it Mourinho will back you all the way, if you don't, there's no place for you at the club. The team always comes ahead of the individual."

The talented Mario Balotelli has found that out to his cost, after he was excluded from the squad by Mourinho after a falling-out. Only after a public apology following a month as an outcast did Mourinho bring the youngster back into the Inter fold.

The Inter players' belief has swelled under Mourinho and the confidence that the Portuguese instills in his teams has given them the feeling that they are capable of beating anyone.

"We have worked so hard on our mental approach under Mourinho to convince ourselves we are a great team," reveals Dejan Stankovic, while Sneijder says: "Jose is a fantastic trainer. He knows exactly how to manage both on an individual level and for the whole team.

If there is a psychological advantage to be gained, Mourinho will pursue it with a magical verbal slight of hand like no-one else

European football expert Graham Hunter
"That is why I am not scared about the semi-final. He will give us information nobody else can give us. That is the power of Mourinho."

Alongside all of this, as well, comes Mourinho's public persona.

Mourinho's spats with the Italian media have only served to increase the affection held for him among Inter fans, a group of supporters used to their status as public enemy number one among opposing clubs.

And all of it, as with everything he does, is deliberate, says Foot. "Mourinho loves the dealings with the press, mainly because he's so good at manipulating them. He uses them to deflect attention from his team's failings, to ease the pressure on his players, or even to pile the pressure on officials."

Hunter adds: "Nobody courts the media attention in the same way as Mourinho. He has got it patently wrong in the past at times, yes, but he does not do anything by accident.

"When confronted by a tie like the one on Tuesday, Mourinho will bring into play anything that he thinks will give him a competitive edge, or his players a competitive edge, or distract the opposition.

"If there is a psychological advantage to be gained, Mourinho will pursue it with a magical verbal slight of hand like no-one else."

No slight of hand will detract from the importance of this Champions League semi-final, though.

That elusive European Cup remains a priority for Mourinho and will ultimately be the measuring stick against which he is judged whenever his time at the San Siro comes to an end.

If any manager is capable of halting the juggernaut that is Barcelona at the moment, that man must be Mourinho.

by **7_Kewell** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 3:37 pm

Jose will be the next man utd manager

by **rocky29** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:03 pm

i dont rate mourinho but i think he would of got the best out of babbel aquilani ten times better than rafa would of?

by **Dundalk** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:35 pm

Jose

by **aCe'** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:40 pm

3-1

Why the fck would we want Mourinho though when we have Rafa ?!

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