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Lando_Griffin wrote:

bigmick wrote:I really don't know why you're talking about Rafa in this thread Lando, this thread's about Mourinho. I have started one about Rafa so you can talk about him in there.  I'll let your innaccuracies on this subject from earlier pass, and return the subject back onto a factual even keel and back to its original subject matter before it gets completely hijacked.

So, back to Mourinho and some stuff that is actually true....

When we were struggling this evening against Lyons, we weren't by any means the only big team who were under pressure. In Inter Milans group, you have Barcelona who are quite good, Dynamo Kiev ditto, and some team who I've never heard but also are quite good too. Anyway it's the original group of death, nothing between the teams (before tonight Inter had drawn 3 from 3), Barcelona had four points from 3 matches etc.

Anyway, Barcelona played Away at Rubin Kazan (the unknowns in the party) and the game was a 0-0 stalemate which did little to clear up the state of the group. Inter then had the unenviable task of travelling to Kiev. Kiev had won their only previous home game 3-1, and had got a 2-2 draw in Milan.

Things didn't look good for Mourinho's men as a Shevczenko goal put them behind. Mourinho changed things at HALF TIME, introducing Mario Ballotelli and Tiago Motta (an attacker and an attacking midfielder) for Chivu and Cambiasso (a defender and a defensive midfielder) , adopting an innovative 4-2-1-3 formation which saw Inter pouring forward. Inter immediately became much more dangerous, but despite hitting the woodwork twice it looked like it wasn't going to go in as the game drifted into the final five minutes.

Inter's pressure finally told with four minutes remaining however when Wesley Sneijder found Milito in a yard of space on the edge of the area. The former Genoa man killed the ball with one touch but his left-footed shot lacked power however it was still enough to beat Bogush who was wrong footed by the shot.

Mourinho's men could sense the win and continued to commit men forward. Substitute Sulley Muntari's hard struck shot squirmed under the body of Bogush, Milito followed up but his shot from the by-line was saved by the legs of Bogush but Sneijder was first to the rebound to stab home the winner.

Inter now lead the group on six points.

Just out of interest, why is Mourinho getting it completely wrong in the first half then changing it around a good point and indicator of his "innovation", but when Rafa alters things and gets a win it's "lucky"?

I'm curious to see your logic on this...

Has Rafa ever changed anything at half time, EXCEPT Istanbul where he had no choice becuasue of injuries plus it was a 5 years ago.

in all seriousness one of Rafa's main failings is his inflexibility, if plan A works then we look great but if it doesn't then all too often we are fecked whereas other managers have the ability and tactical awareness to tweak the team.

Lando_Griffin wrote:

heimdall wrote:Oh Lando I love the way you countered a counter by sticking your fingers in you ear and going la la la without actually reading the post, then having the gall to proclaim your vast intellect, yet again, you are obviously a young spritely thing as well instead of some bitter twisted little internet warrior.

So you are homophobic, xenophoic and now we can add agist, quite an impressive list!

Heimdall - I'm fairly certain your Master can fight his own battles without you and Saint scrambling to the rescue.

At what point is "Ah yes, the serial bum-wiper returns...

Well I'd say the owner refusing to extend your contract is as good as sacking someone and if that's the best you've got to counter the post I shall assume a thorough victory.

Thank you, gentlemen, and accept my condolences for your resounding defeat.

I find it slightly odd that he has left all but Porto because of his stinking attitude...

Rafa is the man and Jose can't keep a job - 'nuff said...

Oh, and Mick - get a life. You're far too old to be wasting what precious little time you have left trying to win a battle of wits with me.

Far too old..."

sticking my fingers in my ears?

I read the post and Moris decided to ask for a raise and was declined (the owners didn't like him - I wonder why?). He then resigned and ran away.

He is motivated soley by money.

Now go away, you little man. You have contributed nothing to this thread with your post but insults - just remember that when I pull your pecker off in other threads. If you want me to lay off you, you should practice what you preach, boy.

You and your Master are the most hypocritical oiks I have ever encountered - "post football, not insults!!!!!" - I do that and get insults in return.

Hmmm...

I gather from this that you WANT insulting, so I shall provide you with the succor you so obviously crave.

Are the gloves off yet?

heimdall wrote:in all seriousness one of Rafa's main failings is his inflexibility, if plan A works then we look great but if it doesn't then all too often we are fecked whereas other managers have the ability and tactical awareness to tweak the team.

heimdall wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:

bigmick wrote:I really don't know why you're talking about Rafa in this thread Lando, this thread's about Mourinho. I have started one about Rafa so you can talk about him in there.  I'll let your innaccuracies on this subject from earlier pass, and return the subject back onto a factual even keel and back to its original subject matter before it gets completely hijacked.

So, back to Mourinho and some stuff that is actually true....

When we were struggling this evening against Lyons, we weren't by any means the only big team who were under pressure. In Inter Milans group, you have Barcelona who are quite good, Dynamo Kiev ditto, and some team who I've never heard but also are quite good too. Anyway it's the original group of death, nothing between the teams (before tonight Inter had drawn 3 from 3), Barcelona had four points from 3 matches etc.

Anyway, Barcelona played Away at Rubin Kazan (the unknowns in the party) and the game was a 0-0 stalemate which did little to clear up the state of the group. Inter then had the unenviable task of travelling to Kiev. Kiev had won their only previous home game 3-1, and had got a 2-2 draw in Milan.

Things didn't look good for Mourinho's men as a Shevczenko goal put them behind. Mourinho changed things at HALF TIME, introducing Mario Ballotelli and Tiago Motta (an attacker and an attacking midfielder) for Chivu and Cambiasso (a defender and a defensive midfielder) , adopting an innovative 4-2-1-3 formation which saw Inter pouring forward. Inter immediately became much more dangerous, but despite hitting the woodwork twice it looked like it wasn't going to go in as the game drifted into the final five minutes.

Inter's pressure finally told with four minutes remaining however when Wesley Sneijder found Milito in a yard of space on the edge of the area. The former Genoa man killed the ball with one touch but his left-footed shot lacked power however it was still enough to beat Bogush who was wrong footed by the shot.

Mourinho's men could sense the win and continued to commit men forward. Substitute Sulley Muntari's hard struck shot squirmed under the body of Bogush, Milito followed up but his shot from the by-line was saved by the legs of Bogush but Sneijder was first to the rebound to stab home the winner.

Inter now lead the group on six points.

Just out of interest, why is Mourinho getting it completely wrong in the first half then changing it around a good point and indicator of his "innovation", but when Rafa alters things and gets a win it's "lucky"?

I'm curious to see your logic on this...

Has Rafa ever changed anything at half time, EXCEPT Istanbul where he had no choice becuasue of injuries plus it was a 5 years ago.

in all seriousness one of Rafa's main failings is his inflexibility, if plan A works then we look great but if it doesn't then all too often we are fecked whereas other managers have the ability and tactical awareness to tweak the team.

heimdall wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:

heimdall wrote:Oh Lando I love the way you countered a counter by sticking your fingers in you ear and going la la la without actually reading the post, then having the gall to proclaim your vast intellect, yet again, you are obviously a young spritely thing as well instead of some bitter twisted little internet warrior.

So you are homophobic, xenophoic and now we can add agist, quite an impressive list!

Heimdall - I'm fairly certain your Master can fight his own battles without you and Saint scrambling to the rescue.

At what point is "Ah yes, the serial bum-wiper returns...

Well I'd say the owner refusing to extend your contract is as good as sacking someone and if that's the best you've got to counter the post I shall assume a thorough victory.

Thank you, gentlemen, and accept my condolences for your resounding defeat.

I find it slightly odd that he has left all but Porto because of his stinking attitude...

Rafa is the man and Jose can't keep a job - 'nuff said...

Oh, and Mick - get a life. You're far too old to be wasting what precious little time you have left trying to win a battle of wits with me.

Far too old..."

sticking my fingers in my ears?

I read the post and Moris decided to ask for a raise and was declined (the owners didn't like him - I wonder why?). He then resigned and ran away.

He is motivated soley by money.

Now go away, you little man. You have contributed nothing to this thread with your post but insults - just remember that when I pull your pecker off in other threads. If you want me to lay off you, you should practice what you preach, boy.

You and your Master are the most hypocritical oiks I have ever encountered - "post football, not insults!!!!!" - I do that and get insults in return.

Hmmm...

I gather from this that you WANT insulting, so I shall provide you with the succor you so obviously crave.

Are the gloves off yet?

hmm so you didn't read the bit where the owner rued his decision then and if given the choice again would have given Maureen the contract extension, that is the bit that is sticking your fingers in your ears and ignoring an inconvenient fact to bolster you threadbare argument.

What is it with you and name calling btw? Most intelligent people I know don't need to resort to it. I'm starting to suspect that you aren't quite as clever as you think you are Lando, just becuase you know a few long words and w@nk over a dictionary doesn't make you clever you know.

Well I guess I'll just have to keep pretending I'm clever, then...

I'd put money on the fact that the teams which sacked Rafa would have him back in a heartbeat - just because some sad c*nt hasn't gone to said team and asked the question with a Sony Dictaphone in their hand doesn't mean it isn't the case...

Hindsight is a powerful tool, Heimdall. It doesn't take a genius to work that out.

Likewise, it doesn't take a genius to work out the fact that you and your miserable colleagues are in league to get shut of me - your pitiful lives would be so much easier without moi spitting in your faces at every turn.

Keep trying - I find it incredibly flattering that I am consistently outwitting your tag-team, some of whom have the intelligence to become fluent in a foreign language.

And you think I'm pretending to be intelligent...! 

heimdall wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:

heimdall wrote:Oh Lando I love the way you countered a counter by sticking your fingers in you ear and going la la la without actually reading the post, then having the gall to proclaim your vast intellect, yet again, you are obviously a young spritely thing as well instead of some bitter twisted little internet warrior.

So you are homophobic, xenophoic and now we can add agist, quite an impressive list!

Heimdall - I'm fairly certain your Master can fight his own battles without you and Saint scrambling to the rescue.

At what point is "Ah yes, the serial bum-wiper returns...

Well I'd say the owner refusing to extend your contract is as good as sacking someone and if that's the best you've got to counter the post I shall assume a thorough victory.

Thank you, gentlemen, and accept my condolences for your resounding defeat.

I find it slightly odd that he has left all but Porto because of his stinking attitude...

Rafa is the man and Jose can't keep a job - 'nuff said...

Oh, and Mick - get a life. You're far too old to be wasting what precious little time you have left trying to win a battle of wits with me.

Far too old..."

sticking my fingers in my ears?

I read the post and Moris decided to ask for a raise and was declined (the owners didn't like him - I wonder why?). He then resigned and ran away.

He is motivated soley by money.

Now go away, you little man. You have contributed nothing to this thread with your post but insults - just remember that when I pull your pecker off in other threads. If you want me to lay off you, you should practice what you preach, boy.

You and your Master are the most hypocritical oiks I have ever encountered - "post football, not insults!!!!!" - I do that and get insults in return.

Hmmm...

I gather from this that you WANT insulting, so I shall provide you with the succor you so obviously crave.

Are the gloves off yet?

hmm so you didn't read the bit where the owner rued his decision then and if given the choice again would have given Maureen the contract extension, that is the bit that is sticking your fingers in your ears and ignoring an inconvenient fact to bolster you threadbare argument.

What is it with you and name calling btw? Most intelligent people I know don't need to resort to it. I'm starting to suspect that you aren't quite as clever as you think you are Lando, just becuase you know a few long words and w@nk over a dictionary doesn't make you clever you know.

bigmick wrote:Lando only reads what he wants to read, and only sees what he wants to see. He should jog on back to the first four pages of the thread as all his questions which he is belatedly ansking here were answered there . While he's doing that, we'll carry on with the subject matter.

I cannot for the life of me see why people of all persuasions keep mentioning other managers in here. This thread is about Mourinho, and as much as the likes of Lando would like to deflect it, derail it and smother it, it will always be about that. It's not about comparing him with other managers. If people wish to start a thread asking which other manager has won the league title in his first two seasons in three different countries then they should, although it'd be quite a short thread to be honest.

The simple fact of the matter is, Mourinho arrived in England and in his first season stuck a points total up which nobody has got near. They used to say it was because he'd got lots of expensive players. Now they are changing that and saying that some of those expensive players weren't even his choices, and expecting that to diminish the feat (I don't accept that Drogba in particular wasn't a Mourinhi signing but anyway it matters not). So the likes of Drogba and Robben had agreed to sign, only to discover that the manager was changing. When he and they arrived though, he instantly won them over, convinced them all was good and gelled them into being part of the most efficient unit the Premiership has ever seen? Any mug could have done it.

Great argument I suppose now we can also stop saying that Mourinho spent X amount, we can say he spent X minus Y, with Y being the players who weren't "his buys", much in the same way that people take Cisse's fee off Rafa because Rafa didn't choose him. Funnily enough, it's an interesting contrast the Cisse and the Drogba situation. Neither impressed at first, but one eventually flourished. I wonder which one that was.

Anyways, like I said there's no need to compare. Just as well really because there is no comparison.

bigmick wrote:I was starting to feel a little bit left out there, I thought you were never going to get around to my post .

There's no "moment of triumph" involved here Lando, we all feck it up sometimes and the distinction between being sacked and the Chairman not agreeing to extend the contract is a bit of a grey area anyway. I kind of agree with you to be honest. Clearly the chairman wasn't absolutely enamoured with Mourinho or he'd have extended the deal, it would be silly to pretend otherwise. It's not about him being "a quitter" though, I think he's very like Rafa in the sense that he wants his own way and is prepared to push things to the brink to get it. Most good managers are like that I think.

The arrogance thing is fair enough if that's how I come accross on here, sorry you take it that way but it's not intended. I'm not going to argue about the ugly swine bit, it's probably a fair one

The league with an "unfancied" team obviously depends on the definition. You're obviously refering to Rafa's impressive achievements with Valencia here, and it's fair enough. Just a couple of points though. Firstly Valencia had reached the Champions League final in both seasons prior to Rafa going there, so they were hardly no hopers for the Spanish League. Equally, I think anybody would accept that both Madrid and Barcelona didn't have one of their all time great teams, so Valencia would have been at least second or third favourites I should think. Notwithstanding all of that, it was an excellent achievement to win the league with them for the first time in 31 years or whatever it was.

As for Mourinho, well I would guess that when Porto were half way down the league before he took over, not having won the title for three seasons they weren't particularly fancied for the title the following season. Equally, when Arsenal went unbeaten to win the Premiership in the season before Mourinho arrived, Chelsea were by no means at all the favourites to win it in Mourinho's first season.

The Champions League comparison is an interesting one. Both were amazing achievements. Porto were clearly the smaller club out of us and Liverpool, but they arguably won it with a better team than us when Rafa won it with us in Istanbul.

Shevczenko was a friend of Abrhamovic and it was fairly widely accepted that he was foisted upon Mourinho. Many observers were of the opinion that this interference from above was the final nail in the coffin of his Chelsea career infact. That the player didn't really deliver I don't think can necessarily be laid at the door of the manager, he was fairly obviously well past his better days.

The "First win in Europe for two seasons" line is simply factually incorrect, so I can't really help there.

"Idle dosser" provoked a smile though nice one

Lando_Griffin wrote:As an aside, how many of the current Milan team did Moris sign?