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by **tubby** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 3:34 pm

Lakes/Mick I wouldn't read any further.

Mourinho laughs off Reds link
Inter Milan boss rules out taking charge at Liverpool

Jose Mourinho has rubbished speculation suggesting he could replace Rafa Benitez at Liverpool.

Benitez has come under pressure following a dismal run of four straight defeats in all competitions that has hit their hopes of domestic and European success.

The Reds boss has insisted he feels safe in his job despite the poor results after receiving words of support from co-owner George Gillett.

There has still been plenty of conjecture about Benitez's future and several names have been mentioned in the media in connection with the club.

Inter Milan manager Jose Mourinho was quizzed on the subject during his pre-match press conference ahead of the Serie A clash with Catania.

But he closed the door on a possible return to the Premier League at the current time, saying simply: "It is impossible."

Balotelli

Mourinho preferred to focus on Inter but opted against heaping too much praise on young forward Mario Balotelli.

The 19-year-old produced a sensational performance in the 5-0 victory over Genoa last Saturday, scoring one of the goals, but Mourinho has not been too impressed with his attitude in recent days.

"This doesn't mean he's already a phenomenon only because he played a really good match with Genoa," said Mourinho.

"To tell the truth he played a really great game and then he had a really bad working week.

"I value a player for what he does on the pitch but also for the job he does during the week."

by **Lando_Griffin** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:48 am

It seems that the pro-Jose squadron have the following arguments:

1. Rafa's sh*t. (Despite Bigmick's humorous attempts to gain unwitting support from the pro-camp with this "I don't want Rafa to leave now..." poppycock, it's very obvious that he detests the man with a passion - cue months of "it seems you can't want this or that without hating the manager. I'm such a victim in all this - I like the guy as a person..." and such like. No you don't - grow a set of knackers and admit it!)

2. Jose is God himself, and even the sweetest of creations pale into insignificance beside his sainted face... (Despite pretending to be merely "pointing out the facts" - conveniently ignoring the fact that Moris is a total c*nt and has failed miserably when not at a club stocked with funds unsurpassed by his rivals. "Rafa won the CL purely on luck - nothing wrong with being a lucky manager (for the pros' sympathy when big, bad Lando is having a go at poor, retiring Mick...) but Jose won it purely on his managerial ability and man-management skills." - Quaintly forgetting that the grease-ball has had some of the most talented squads in the World at his disposal throughout his managerial career (very few of the top players are ever bought BY him, mind...) and has never managed it since - largely down to our old Raf.)

This perennial hard-on for the slimy-one is pathetic. It's like reading the diaries of a love-sick 50 year old drooling over his neighbour's wife. Trouble is, me owd, they're never as nice when the makeup's off and the rollers are in.

Moris has consistently flattered to deceive - at Porto (having been SACKED from Benfica):

"Mourinho identified several key players who he saw as the backbone of what he believed would be a perfect Porto team: Baía, Ricardo Carvalho, Costinha, Deco, Dmitri Alenichev and Postiga from Porto, recalling captain Jorge Costa after a six-month loan to Charlton Athletic (after a dispute with Octávio Machado), bringing Nuno Valente and Derlei from Leiria, promising right defender Paulo Ferreira from Vitória Setúbal, Pedro Emanuel from Boavista FC, and finally Edgaras Jankauskas and Maniche who were out of contract at Benfica, the latter after a season in the reserves' side."

Champions' League Final lineup:

* 99 Vítor Baía
* 2 Jorge Costa
* 4 Ricardo Carvalho
* 6 Costinha
* 8 Nuno Valente
* 10 Deco
* 11 Derlei
* 18 Maniche
* 19 Carlos Alberto
* 22 Paulo Ferreira
* 23 Pedro Mendes

Substitutes

* 13 Nuno
* 3 Pedro Emanuel
* 5 Ricardo Costa
* 9 Edgaras Jankauskas
* 15 Dmitri Alenichev
* 17 José Bosingwa
* 77 Benni McCarthy.

The majority of those players (and certainly the key performers) were already at the club when he joined. The majority of the others were signed from his old clubs.

Chelsea?:

2007

Aug Juliano Belletti Barcelona £3.7m
July Florent Malouda Lyon £13.5m
June Tal Ben Haim Bolton Free
June Claudio Pizarro Bayern Munich Free
June Steve Sidwell Reading Free

2006

Aug Ashley Cole Arsenal £5m
Aug Khalid Boulahrouz Hamburg £7m
June John Mikel Obi Lyn £16m
May Ben Sahar Hapoel Tev Aviv £320,000
May Andrei Shevchenko AC Milan £30.8m
May Salomon Kalou Feyenoord £8m
May Michael Ballack Bayern Munich Free

2005

Aug Michael Essien Lyon £24.4m
July Lassana Diarra Le Havre £1m
July Scott Sinclair Bristol Rovers £160,000
June Asier Del Horno Athletic Bilbao £8m
Jan Jiri Jarosik CSKA Moscow £4.83m
July Ricardo Carvalho Porto £19.85m
July Tiago Benfica £8m
July Mateja Kezman PSV Eindhoven £5m
July Paulo Ferreira Porto £13.2m

Arguably the most important signings in his first year were Drogba and Arjen Robben - both deals were put in place prior to Moris' arrival by his predecessor Claudio Ranieri.

Surely only a yogurt would fail to see that Moris outspends people to get results and when he's let loose with a blank cheque he frequently gets it wrong. Of the big money ventures he has a much poorer record than Rafa - who would ever even consider swapping Torres for Shevchenko, Benayoun for Mikel Obi or Johnson for Ferrera?

No-one. Not unless they are in need of urgent medical attention.

Sort yourselves out. Look at the facts and stop bleating because you dislike the manager. Just because you can't understand something that does not mean it is wrong.

If the loons on here every gained control of the club we'd be on our 23rd manager this season already.

Grow up and shut up. Moris is gash and Rafa has proved it many times with a far inferior team. ("Oh, but it's Rafa's fault we were inferiror... blah, blah, blah." - No, it isn't. It's simple maths - obviously beyond many on here.)

Rafa - a Prince amongst men. :nod

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:53 am

Benfica :-

Mourinho and Mozer proved a popular combination, enjoying a 3–0 win against fierce rivals Sporting in December.[13][14] However, their reign appeared to be at risk after Benfica's election turned against club president João Vale e Azevedo, and the newly-elected Manuel Vilarinho said that he would instate ex-Benfica player Toni as his new coach.[9] Although Vilarinho had no intention of firing him immediately, Mourinho used the victory over Sporting to test the president's loyalty and he asked for a contract extension.[13] Vilarinho refused the demand and Mourinho resigned from his position immediately. He left the club on 5 December 2000 after just nine league games in charge.[15] Upon later reflection, Vilarinho rued his poor judgement and expressed his frustration at losing Mourinho:

"[Put me] back then [and] I would do exactly the opposite: I would extend his contract. Only later I realised that one's personality and pride cannot be put before the interest of the institution we serve."[13]

by **bigmick** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:56 am

Ol' Lando's never one to let a few facts get in the way of his case S@int, you ought to know that by now.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:32 am

s@int wrote:Benfica :-

Mourinho and Mozer proved a popular combination, enjoying a 3–0 win against fierce rivals Sporting in December.[13][14] However, their reign appeared to be at risk after Benfica's election turned against club president João Vale e Azevedo, and the newly-elected Manuel Vilarinho said that he would instate ex-Benfica player Toni as his new coach.[9] Although Vilarinho had no intention of firing him immediately, Mourinho used the victory over Sporting to test the president's loyalty and he asked for a contract extension.[13] Vilarinho refused the demand and Mourinho resigned from his position immediately. He left the club on 5 December 2000 after just nine league games in charge.[15] Upon later reflection, Vilarinho rued his poor judgement and expressed his frustration at losing Mourinho:

"[Put me] back then [and] I would do exactly the opposite: I would extend his contract. Only later I realised that one's personality and pride cannot be put before the interest of the institution we serve."[13]

Ah yes, the serial bum-wiper returns...

Well I'd say the owner refusing to extend your contract is as good as sacking someone and if that's the best you've got to counter the post I shall assume a thorough victory.

Thank you, gentlemen, and accept my condolences for your resounding defeat.

I find it slightly odd that he has left all but Porto because of his stinking attitude...

Rafa is the man and Jose can't keep a job - 'nuff said...

Oh, and Mick - get a life. You're far too old to be wasting what precious little time you have left trying to win a battle of wits with me.

Far too old...

by **bigmick** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:16 am

I really don't know why you're talking about Rafa in this thread Lando, this thread's about Mourinho. I have started one about Rafa so you can talk about him in there. I'll let your innaccuracies on this subject from earlier pass, and return the subject back onto a factual even keel and back to its original subject matter before it gets completely hijacked.

So, back to Mourinho and some stuff that is actually true....

When we were struggling this evening against Lyons, we weren't by any means the only big team who were under pressure. In Inter Milans group, you have Barcelona who are quite good, Dynamo Kiev ditto, and some team who I've never heard but also are quite good too. Anyway it's the original group of death, nothing between the teams (before tonight Inter had drawn 3 from 3), Barcelona had four points from 3 matches etc.

Anyway, Barcelona played Away at Rubin Kazan (the unknowns in the party) and the game was a 0-0 stalemate which did little to clear up the state of the group. Inter then had the unenviable task of travelling to Kiev. Kiev had won their only previous home game 3-1, and had got a 2-2 draw in Milan.

Things didn't look good for Mourinho's men as a Shevczenko goal put them behind. Mourinho changed things at HALF TIME, introducing Mario Ballotelli and Tiago Motta (an attacker and an attacking midfielder) for Chivu and Cambiasso (a defender and a defensive midfielder) , adopting an innovative 4-2-1-3 formation which saw Inter pouring forward. Inter immediately became much more dangerous, but despite hitting the woodwork twice it looked like it wasn't going to go in as the game drifted into the final five minutes.

Inter's pressure finally told with four minutes remaining however when Wesley Sneijder found Milito in a yard of space on the edge of the area. The former Genoa man killed the ball with one touch but his left-footed shot lacked power however it was still enough to beat Bogush who was wrong footed by the shot.

Mourinho's men could sense the win and continued to commit men forward. Substitute Sulley Muntari's hard struck shot squirmed under the body of Bogush, Milito followed up but his shot from the by-line was saved by the legs of Bogush but Sneijder was first to the rebound to stab home the winner.

Inter now lead the group on six points.

by **JamCar05** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:19 pm

Tbf that was their first CL win in almost a year though, which isn't exactly that impressive. They do seem to be running away with the italian league again however (though both Milan and Roma seem to be going backwards whereas Juventus haven't quite reached their level since coming back up imo - which isn't to say Mourinho hasn't done quite well).

Anyways that is a compelling little review there (just curious: how much of the game did you watch?) with an "unenviable task" and Mourinho's "innovative formation" that has Inter "pouring forward", but imo Lyon away is an even more unenviable task and Mourinho's "innovativeness" has often gone amiss in other CL games for aswell Inter as Chelsea (the latter on more than one occasion due to our own manager), and he has often set his team up with the exact opposite intent than to "pour forward" (as has Rafa no doubt). What I'm getting at is that I'm not trying to knock you for rating Mourinho (as my post further back in this thread should prove), but I do sometimes feel your admiration for everything Mourinho goes - well - a bit overboard

. It's almost as if the guy can do no wrong at all (sorry if I missed this part further back in the thread, but I really can't be bothered to read up on 27 pages about the fella)

.

Edit: I'm not in any way taking a side in this discussion (and let's face it there are definitely two very polarized opinions in this thread), just trying to represent the middleground somewhere I suppose

.

by **stmichael** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:29 pm

hasn't won a CL game in 9 now.

by **JamCar05** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:35 pm

stmichael wrote:hasn't won a CL game in 9 now.

They won yesterday, which you can read about in Mick's little review a few posts above.

by **LFC2007** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:39 pm

JamCar05 wrote:Anyways that is a compelling little review there (just curious: how much of the game did you watch?) with an "unenviable task" and Mourinho's "innovative formation" that has Inter "pouring forward" and Kiev "cowering in their wake"...

by **heimdall** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:57 pm

Oh Lando I love the way you countered a counter by sticking your fingers in you ear and going la la la without actually reading the post, then having the gall to proclaim your vast intellect, yet again, you are obviously a young spritely thing as well instead of some bitter twisted little internet warrior.

So you are homophobic, xenophoic and now we can add agist, quite an impressive list!

by **JamCar05** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:28 pm

LFC2007 wrote:
JamCar05 wrote:Anyways that is a compelling little review there (just curious: how much of the game did you watch?) with an "unenviable task" and Mourinho's "innovative formation" that has Inter "pouring forward" and Kiev "cowering in their wake"...

I see what you did there

by **Lando_Griffin** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:50 pm

heimdall wrote:Oh Lando I love the way you countered a counter by sticking your fingers in you ear and going la la la without actually reading the post, then having the gall to proclaim your vast intellect, yet again, you are obviously a young spritely thing as well instead of some bitter twisted little internet warrior.

So you are homophobic, xenophoic and now we can add agist, quite an impressive list!

Heimdall - I'm fairly certain your Master can fight his own battles without you and Saint scrambling to the rescue.

At what point is "Ah yes, the serial bum-wiper returns...

Well I'd say the owner refusing to extend your contract is as good as sacking someone and if that's the best you've got to counter the post I shall assume a thorough victory.

Thank you, gentlemen, and accept my condolences for your resounding defeat.

I find it slightly odd that he has left all but Porto because of his stinking attitude...

Rafa is the man and Jose can't keep a job - 'nuff said...

Oh, and Mick - get a life. You're far too old to be wasting what precious little time you have left trying to win a battle of wits with me.

Far too old..."

sticking my fingers in my ears?

I read the post and Moris decided to ask for a raise and was declined (the owners didn't like him - I wonder why?). He then resigned and ran away.

He is motivated soley by money.

Now go away, you little man. You have contributed nothing to this thread with your post but insults - just remember that when I pull your pecker off in other threads. If you want me to lay off you, you should practice what you preach, boy.

You and your Master are the most hypocritical oiks I have ever encountered - "post football, not insults!!!!!" - I do that and get insults in return.

Hmmm...

I gather from this that you WANT insulting, so I shall provide you with the succor you so obviously crave.

Are the gloves off yet?

by **Lando_Griffin** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:03 pm

bigmick wrote:I really don't know why you're talking about Rafa in this thread Lando, this thread's about Mourinho. I have started one about Rafa so you can talk about him in there. I'll let your innaccuracies on this subject from earlier pass, and return the subject back onto a factual even keel and back to its original subject matter before it gets completely hijacked.

So, back to Mourinho and some stuff that is actually true....

When we were struggling this evening against Lyons, we weren't by any means the only big team who were under pressure. In Inter Milans group, you have Barcelona who are quite good, Dynamo Kiev ditto, and some team who I've never heard but also are quite good too. Anyway it's the original group of death, nothing between the teams (before tonight Inter had drawn 3 from 3), Barcelona had four points from 3 matches etc.

Anyway, Barcelona played Away at Rubin Kazan (the unknowns in the party) and the game was a 0-0 stalemate which did little to clear up the state of the group. Inter then had the unenviable task of travelling to Kiev. Kiev had won their only previous home game 3-1, and had got a 2-2 draw in Milan.

Things didn't look good for Mourinho's men as a Shevczenko goal put them behind. Mourinho changed things at HALF TIME, introducing Mario Ballotelli and Tiago Motta (an attacker and an attacking midfielder) for Chivu and Cambiasso (a defender and a defensive midfielder) , adopting an innovative 4-2-1-3 formation which saw Inter pouring forward. Inter immediately became much more dangerous, but despite hitting the woodwork twice it looked like it wasn't going to go in as the game drifted into the final five minutes.

Inter's pressure finally told with four minutes remaining however when Wesley Sneijder found Milito in a yard of space on the edge of the area. The former Genoa man killed the ball with one touch but his left-footed shot lacked power however it was still enough to beat Bogush who was wrong footed by the shot.

Mourinho's men could sense the win and continued to commit men forward. Substitute Sulley Muntari's hard struck shot squirmed under the body of Bogush, Milito followed up but his shot from the by-line was saved by the legs of Bogush but Sneijder was first to the rebound to stab home the winner.

Inter now lead the group on six points.

Because I want to talk about Rafa on a Liverpool forum - that alright with you, Master?

Jose's direct competition is Rafa - both young managers who joined the Premiership at the same time. The 2 main differences being money and time spent here.

Jose builds for the here and now. When things turn stale he's off like the rat he is. Wait until Inter's president (or board, or owner) gets sick and tired of his greasy attitude - he'll turn tail and run away faster than an antelope from a hungry cheetah.

Rafa stays here even in the face of drama-queen induced fury. He knows what it takes to build a dynasty - not a flash-in-the-pan season or 3.

Interesting that Moris spent net (give or take) in his time at Chelsea than Rafa has spent gross.

And it's Moris' managerial ability which won the titles. :wwww

Add to the mix Ranieri's signings - Cech, Robben, Drogba, Fat Frank, Joe Cole, Cudicini, etc, and it soon becomes apparent that there's more to Moris's success than simply "he's the special one."

But please - counter if you will - even though I find it bemusing how a Liverpool fan can want that scumbag at the club after how he has treated the fans in the past... Oh, wait - you weren't there, where you?

It obviously doesn't matter, then...

by **Lando_Griffin** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:08 pm

bigmick wrote: Ol' Lando's never one to let a few facts get in the way of his case S@int, you ought to know that by now.

Wow - I thought he'd been sacked when in reality the owner had told him to f*ck off and he resigned...

I bow down to your superior knowledge of his career...

Can't find anything wrong with the rest of the post, though, eh?

Mind you - you didn't find THAT, did you? :eyebrow

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