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Bad Bob wrote:

bavlondon wrote:

Bad Bob wrote:

Big Niall wrote:At the moment he should be grateful Mourinho bought czech,cole,lampard,drogba,malouda - well , the whole spine of the team really.

Er, except that Ranieri actually bought Lampard and Cech. 

Plus Duff

And Mourinho never signed Cole, Ranieri did. Is that what you meant bob?

Bav, I was giving Niall the benefit of the doubt and assuming he meant Ashley Cole (who Jose did sign) and not Joe Cole (who he did not).

Oh yes I forgot about him. 

babu wrote:Think this is my first or second post in this thread. I really think the issues with Jose are quite simple. Two main points.

Point One:
I don't care what club you are, if JM comes as your manager, you are virtually guaranteed to win trophies. FACT. Why?
Because he is a clever bugger. He will never join a club unless the conditions are right for him and he is in a position to dictate. Things like financial power, owner's support and his autonomy, salary, players, etc. If there's the right balance he will join.

Second Point:
If any or a combination of the above conditions change, he will walk. FACT. He's proven it. So it will a rare owner that will have JM long term, Imo.

So the only differentiating point is how he manages at these clubs. And so far noone can argue how successful he has been. But its hard to compare him across the board, as only a handful of managers has be able to dictate terms.

Regardless, I hate the b@stard.

Big Niall wrote:should a top player join a rubbish club? top F1 drivers join the best teams, jockeys get the best horses etc.

He started off as a nobody, not a footballer (in fairness, i think benitez is the same) but success gets you better jobs.

I don't believe Shankly, Busby or Clough could take over clubs that aren't great today, and make them into great clubs.

Big Niall wrote:once  the talents of shankly,busby,clough etc became evident, they'd leave the little clubs (as lfc,manure,derby and forest) were, and join the big clubs of the day, as the big clubs would buy all the players they developed anyway.

They'd be a success in any age, but you cannot build a great club today with buckets of cash.

I would read about the 3 managers you mentioned before pigeon-Holing them in this homage to someone who has no relevance to LFC...Shankly's move from Huddersfield to Liverpool in 1959 can hardly be regarded as similar to Mojo touting his wares around the top table of the European elite every few years...exhibit 1

Clough's move too Forest from Derby...hardly similar either

supersub wrote:no!.... you made a rash statement with no factual evidence to support it...in fact it's a load of sh!te

I speculated about how great managers of the past would operate differently if they were around today, and your criticism is that I don't have FACTS to back it up?

Muppet!

dawson99 wrote:name calling not tolerated.. against ones with power

anyways. Maureen is a great manager, not a great man... lets move on

dawson99 wrote:yeah but sub, if everyone got banend for name calling about 50 would have been banned in teh last week wouldnt they? I've called people retards on here, and i could name (but wont) about 20 others who have specifically name called others.. but don't mess with the sub, fair enough i guess

anyways, Maureen, does anyone really like him? You can respect him, but do you really like him?

supersub wrote:

dawson99 wrote:yeah but sub, if everyone got banend for name calling about 50 would have been banned in teh last week wouldnt they? I've called people retards on here, and i could name (but wont) about 20 others who have specifically name called others.. but don't mess with the sub, fair enough i guess

anyways, Maureen, does anyone really like him? You can respect him, but do you really like him?

I think retard is an appalling thing to call someone and I would hope that members on this forum would think twice before using such language.

As for Mo......who cares !