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Big Niall wrote:

bavlondon wrote:

Big Niall wrote:

bavlondon wrote:He's got a good record but everywhere he has been he has spend shedloads. Even at Porto he spent way more than their rivals. Ok he organises his teams well but if love to see him win things with a team with financial constraints. He probably wouldn't even take such a job.

Little Porto didn't spend much compared to their european rivals to win the champions.

Also, his net spending at Inter wasn't that high and they hadn't won it in about 40 years.

8 years unbeaten at home in the league is just unbelievable - you have to give him that.

Hang on a minute, I thought you don't rate the European Cup? So for Maureen you choose to use it to his advantage but for our former manager you choose not to recognise? 

And they didn't need to spend that much at Inter. They already had a fairly decent squad plus as mentioned several times both their main rivals were either relegated or docked points.

He has won the league 5 times in the last 6 years in 3 countries and not lost a home game in 8 years.

How's that LEAGUE record?

bavlondon wrote:

Big Niall wrote:

bavlondon wrote:

Big Niall wrote:

bavlondon wrote:He's got a good record but everywhere he has been he has spend shedloads. Even at Porto he spent way more than their rivals. Ok he organises his teams well but if love to see him win things with a team with financial constraints. He probably wouldn't even take such a job.

Little Porto didn't spend much compared to their european rivals to win the champions.

Also, his net spending at Inter wasn't that high and they hadn't won it in about 40 years.

8 years unbeaten at home in the league is just unbelievable - you have to give him that.

Hang on a minute, I thought you don't rate the European Cup? So for Maureen you choose to use it to his advantage but for our former manager you choose not to recognise? 

And they didn't need to spend that much at Inter. They already had a fairly decent squad plus as mentioned several times both their main rivals were either relegated or docked points.

He has won the league 5 times in the last 6 years in 3 countries and not lost a home game in 8 years.

How's that LEAGUE record?

He's also spent as much money as we had debt with H&G.

bavlondon wrote:You make it seem as if H&G had that kind of money to spend but just didn't give him it to spend

Big Niall wrote:

bavlondon wrote:You make it seem as if H&G had that kind of money to spend but just didn't give him it to spend

No

I am saying when chairmen have lots of money and want a manager to buy the players to win the league, they want Mourinho.

why is that?

Big Niall wrote:

bavlondon wrote:

Big Niall wrote:

bavlondon wrote:You make it seem as if H&G had that kind of money to spend but just didn't give him it to spend

No

I am saying when chairmen have lots of money and want a manager to buy the players to win the league, they want Mourinho.

why is that?

Because he wins things. But the point is having all that money makes half the job easier, a lot easier.

the pressure is a lot bigger too. Keegan in his day spent a fortune and Mancini is doing so now and even Alex Ferguson has bought a top central midfielder in a decade (carrick,hargreaves,veron, etc).

Managers like alderdyce are fantastic at a certain level, but would you give them 200m and ask them to win the league?

At that level, not  even Ferguson can compare.

Yes im sure the pressure is great when you already have a team that has won the league several years in a row with all your rivals dropped down a notch or 2 thanks to cheating. 

Allerdyce is a clown mate and from the sounds of things he isn't the only one.

bavlondon wrote:

Big Niall wrote:

bavlondon wrote:

Big Niall wrote:

bavlondon wrote:You make it seem as if H&G had that kind of money to spend but just didn't give him it to spend

No

I am saying when chairmen have lots of money and want a manager to buy the players to win the league, they want Mourinho.

why is that?

Because he wins things. But the point is having all that money makes half the job easier, a lot easier.

the pressure is a lot bigger too. Keegan in his day spent a fortune and Mancini is doing so now and even Alex Ferguson has bought a top central midfielder in a decade (carrick,hargreaves,veron, etc).

Managers like alderdyce are fantastic at a certain level, but would you give them 200m and ask them to win the league?

At that level, not  even Ferguson can compare.

Yes im sure the pressure is great when you already have a team that has won the league several years in a row with all your rivals dropped down a notch or 2 thanks to cheating. 

Allerdyce is a clown mate and from the sounds of things he isn't the only one.

bavlondon wrote:

Big Niall wrote:

bavlondon wrote:

Big Niall wrote:

bavlondon wrote:You make it seem as if H&G had that kind of money to spend but just didn't give him it to spend

No

I am saying when chairmen have lots of money and want a manager to buy the players to win the league, they want Mourinho.

why is that?

Because he wins things. But the point is having all that money makes half the job easier, a lot easier.

the pressure is a lot bigger too. Keegan in his day spent a fortune and Mancini is doing so now and even Alex Ferguson has bought a top central midfielder in a decade (carrick,hargreaves,veron, etc).

Managers like alderdyce are fantastic at a certain level, but would you give them 200m and ask them to win the league?

At that level, not  even Ferguson can compare.

Yes im sure the pressure is great when you already have a team that has won the league several years in a row with all your rivals dropped down a notch or 2 thanks to cheating. 

Allerdyce is a clown mate and from the sounds of things he isn't the only one.

Big Niall wrote:

bavlondon wrote:

Big Niall wrote:

bavlondon wrote:

Big Niall wrote:

bavlondon wrote:You make it seem as if H&G had that kind of money to spend but just didn't give him it to spend

No

I am saying when chairmen have lots of money and want a manager to buy the players to win the league, they want Mourinho.

why is that?

Because he wins things. But the point is having all that money makes half the job easier, a lot easier.

the pressure is a lot bigger too. Keegan in his day spent a fortune and Mancini is doing so now and even Alex Ferguson has bought a top central midfielder in a decade (carrick,hargreaves,veron, etc).

Managers like alderdyce are fantastic at a certain level, but would you give them 200m and ask them to win the league?

At that level, not  even Ferguson can compare.

Yes im sure the pressure is great when you already have a team that has won the league several years in a row with all your rivals dropped down a notch or 2 thanks to cheating. 

Allerdyce is a clown mate and from the sounds of things he isn't the only one.

Chelsea hadn't wont thee league in about 50 years?

burjennio wrote:

Ben Patrick wrote:

Big Niall wrote:

burjennio wrote:The guy is a complete tool but apparently he hasnt lost a league home game since 2002 which is the most ridiculous stat Ive ever heard.

8 years unbeaten at home in the league in Portugal,England,Italy,Spain and the word "myth" in the title.

Where is the thread "the myth that tiger woods is a great golfer"?

The other side of this coin is that on average, and I'll try to word this as carefully as it was explained to me, Jose Mourinho has spent more money on players in the timeframe he has been at his club compared to rival managers in each league in the same timeframe

What that means is say he was at Chelsea for 3.3 seasons. In that time say July 04 - Nov 07 or whatever it was he spent more than his rivals, same at Inter from 08-10 and whatever the spell was at Porto and although it is a very short reign at Madrid so far he has spent more than Barca, which in some aspects is understandable in that they won the league again last season but in other respects he has 2 of the last 3 winners of the Ballon D'or on his books and a team that finished with 95 odd points last season.

He certainly has the ability to talk his bosses into spending the coin and that is a talent in itself and clearly he is a top class coach - he is not the 2nd coming of Christ. I am really starting to think a few of you are struggling to separate one from the other.

A quick point on the "best manager in the world" debate - why does Ancellotti never get mentioned? 2 CLs with a squad with the same average age as the cast of Cocoon as well as winning serie A in a time when Juve were buying off officials left and right (I know Milan were penalized too but 5 points and Juves relegation to Serie B should tell its own story) then he comes in and, sorry Niall and Mick, without spending £100m and jacking his own ego won the premier league playing the style of football Mourinho couldnt touch?

bavlondon wrote:

Big Niall wrote:

bavlondon wrote:

Big Niall wrote:

bavlondon wrote:

Big Niall wrote:

bavlondon wrote:You make it seem as if H&G had that kind of money to spend but just didn't give him it to spend

No

I am saying when chairmen have lots of money and want a manager to buy the players to win the league, they want Mourinho.

why is that?

Because he wins things. But the point is having all that money makes half the job easier, a lot easier.

the pressure is a lot bigger too. Keegan in his day spent a fortune and Mancini is doing so now and even Alex Ferguson has bought a top central midfielder in a decade (carrick,hargreaves,veron, etc).

Managers like alderdyce are fantastic at a certain level, but would you give them 200m and ask them to win the league?

At that level, not  even Ferguson can compare.

Yes im sure the pressure is great when you already have a team that has won the league several years in a row with all your rivals dropped down a notch or 2 thanks to cheating. 

Allerdyce is a clown mate and from the sounds of things he isn't the only one.

Chelsea hadn't wont thee league in about 50 years?

Well money can buy you a lot of things as they have shown.

Big Niall wrote:what other manager can step into a foreign league and win the league first season, at a club that hasn't won anything in 50 years?

bavlondon wrote:

Big Niall wrote:what other manager can step into a foreign league and win the league first season, at a club that hasn't won anything in 50 years?

I don't think there has ever been a foreign manager that has come into a side that has spend such vast sums of money both before and during their tenure so it's not really something you can compare in terms of past managers.

Put it another way. If Abramovich never bought Chelsea would he have won back to back leagues there? I don't think so.