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by **dawson99** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 7:10 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:You wanted him to leave after we came second in the league and our best season in the prem for 20 years

I've wanted him to leave for a while, and ive given my reasons loads of times. Yeah that was an awesome season, but its just his buying and selling of players and team management i thought was bad for the team and club.. just my view which im allowed but i think most Liverpool fans are glad hes gone... its just the new appointment thats got everyone shouting, me more than most

by **Benny The Noon** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 7:12 pm

I reckon the majority of fans arent glad he has gone - and for someone whose selling and buying was so bad he spent a net spend of 9 milliom since the yanks arrived

by **dawson99** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 7:17 pm

can we all stop about fricking net spend.. this is a football club not a financial debate. Its the fact he got through sooo many players, so many strikers, so many everything. I think a lot of players wouldnt come to us because of all this. And the way he treated some of his players was nothing short of disgraceful. Plus does the net spend include everything? I dont think it does.

Just like the Keane and Aquilani debates... and there are too many examples of him just making too many mistakes.

by **Benny The Noon** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 7:18 pm

Who did he treat disgracefully ?

by **dawson99** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 7:20 pm

Who didnt he? The Alonso fiasco, the Keane thing, and im not gonna start on all the players that lasted like 6 months, and what about anelka, Bellamy, Cisse, the list goes on and on... hes either incompetant when it comes to buying or hes a :censored:

... either way it wasnt good for the team

by **Benny The Noon** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 7:28 pm

Anelka ?! what are you talking about . He was never at liverpool when Rafa was in charge ?

Keane didnt score enough goals - same with bellamy same with cisse . So is it disgraceful to sell players who dont perform ?

Alonso - so he looked to sell a player who had underperformed for two whole seasons - not once club wanted to spend 15 mil on him - highest bid was 12 mil . When Alonso then decided to start playing for a change then Madrid paid 30 mil for him .

Who else lasted 6 months except keane ?

Incompetent when it comes to buying ? Torres , Pepe , Agger ,Arbeloa , even Alonso , Garcia - the list is endless .

by **dawson99** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 7:31 pm

You think he treated Alonso well?

I heard he had the chance to buy Anelka but said no (although I could be wrong lol). Bellamy never got a chance, neither did Keane. And why sign Keane in the first place? Then he sells Crouch and a few others.

It was just the amount of bad buys... Yeah I'll give you Pepe. Agger has been half and half. Torres was a no brainer. But you cant in one sentence say brilliant he signed Alonso, and in the next say he was awful.

Plus, we all know Stevie and a few of the lads wanted him gone.

Can we list the amount of players we went through during his tenure, then compare with other clubs to see how we did?

by **dawson99** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 7:33 pm

ok, someone just told me he signed 76 players... 76!!!!!

How willa team ever gel with that???

He spent 229 million (I know, not net, but it shows we had money to spend, but it was spent VERY VERY poorly)

We havent even mentioned the Diaos and Cheyrous and La Tallecs etc etc

No other team in the world has had as many poor buys as us, and I stick by that

by **Benny The Noon** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 7:36 pm

Plus, we all know Stevie and a few of the lads wanted him gone. Do we - has he stated as such - its all specualtion

Rafa treated Alonso like a manager treats a footballer - if he isnt performing then you look to replace him

Bellamy played over 40 games in his one season and was sold to fund Torres - would you rather he kept Bellamy ?

Not once have i ever heard about him having the chance to get Anelka

Crouch was sold because he wanted regular first team football and didnt want to play second fiddle to Torres.

Keane was a mistake and didnt work out

You can compare if you want - you can also look at the amount other clubs forked out .

by **dawson99** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 7:42 pm

but every club has had star buys, none have had the amount of flops we have had. And if we were so skint, why was he spending so much on :censored:

?

Dossena, Pennant, Morientez, Babel, Riera, Keane, Bellamy, Gonzalez, Francisco Duran, Ronald Huth, all the other millions on youth players when we had a youth side already... just wasteful.. so so wasteful.

Bellamy wasnt sold to fund Torres, 7.5 million July 2007. How we know he funded that move, not the Babel one? We signed about 30 players that July mate

by **Benny The Noon** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 7:49 pm

How many strikers did you want then ? We would of had four if Bellamy had stayed ?! . Every club has plenty of flops - look at Ferguson - he blew nearly 20 million on two kids from Serbia and neither played a game before being sold on for peanuts . Even Chelsea spent nearly 60 million on Crespo and Schevchenko and both left for free ?! Players like Morientis and Dossena were international players and in the end they didn't work out - it happens - with less money than the big two we were always shopping in the second tier for players and its always a risk - sometimes it comes off sometimes it doesn't - but at least Rafa got fair amount of money back for players and even sometimes for a profit . The youth set up and players when Rafa arrived were poor - none were good enough and were regulary getting beaten . Since rafa arrived we won 2 FA Youth cups and a number of reserve leagues .

by **dawson99** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 7:51 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:How many strikers did you want then ? We would of had four if Bellamy had stayed ?! . Every club has plenty of flops - look at Ferguson - he blew nearly 20 million on two kids from Serbia and neither played a game before being sold on for peanuts . Even Chelsea spent nearly 60 million on Crespo and Schevchenko and both left for free ?! Players like Morientis and Dossena were international players and in the end they didn't work out - it happens - with less money than the big two we were always shopping in the second tier for players and its always a risk - sometimes it comes off sometimes it doesn't - but at least Rafa got fair amount of money back for players and even sometimes for a profit . The youth set up and players when Rafa arrived were poor - none were good enough and were regulary getting beaten . Since rafa arrived we won 2 FA Youth cups and a number of reserve leagues .

Yeah, and they can afford it. We have brought more players than anyone, with a higher percentage of flops.

youd rather win a reserve league or win the premier league?

He spent badly, just admit it, we're all glad hes gone.. but this is a Mourinho thread :rasp

by **Benny The Noon** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 7:52 pm

dawson99 wrote:ok, someone just told me he signed 76 players... 76!!!!!

How willa team ever gel with that???

He spent 229 million (I know, not net, but it shows we had money to spend, but it was spent VERY VERY poorly)

We havent even mentioned the Diaos and Cheyrous and La Tallecs etc etc

No other team in the world has had as many poor buys as us, and I stick by that

He didn't buy Diao , Le Tallec or Cheryou

by **dawson99** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 7:54 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
dawson99 wrote:ok, someone just told me he signed 76 players... 76!!!!!

How willa team ever gel with that???

He spent 229 million (I know, not net, but it shows we had money to spend, but it was spent VERY VERY poorly)

We havent even mentioned the Diaos and Cheyrous and La Tallecs etc etc

No other team in the world has had as many poor buys as us, and I stick by that

He didn't buy Diao , Le Tallec or Cheryou

im getting confuddled arent i? LOL

ok, but he did sign almost 80 players.. thats too many... stop confuddling me, im trying to watch 5 games here and do my job at the same time as typing so im maknig booboos lol

although, I am knid of makig my point, there are sooo many buys that we completely forget we go to previous managers. There cant be 80 signings can there? Really really poor ones we've never heard of!!!

by **Benny The Noon** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 7:55 pm

dawson99 wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:How many strikers did you want then ? We would of had four if Bellamy had stayed ?! . Every club has plenty of flops - look at Ferguson - he blew nearly 20 million on two kids from Serbia and neither played a game before being sold on for peanuts . Even Chelsea spent nearly 60 million on Crespo and Schevchenko and both left for free ?! Players like Morientis and Dossena were international players and in the end they didn't work out - it happens - with less money than the big two we were always shopping in the second tier for players and its always a risk - sometimes it comes off sometimes it doesn't - but at least Rafa got fair amount of money back for players and even sometimes for a profit . The youth set up and players when Rafa arrived were poor - none were good enough and were regulary getting beaten . Since rafa arrived we won 2 FA Youth cups and a number of reserve leagues .

Yeah, and they can afford it. We have brought more players than anyone, with a higher percentage of flops.

youd rather win a reserve league or win the premier league?

He spent badly, just admit it, we're all glad hes gone.. but this is a Mourinho thread

You got the percentage figures to back up the statement ?

As I said when your shopping in the second tier the chance of players not working out is higher - if you can buy a couple of 30 mil players a season then the chances of success is a lot higher . He spent no worse or better than most of the managers in the prem .

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