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[Thommo's perm]

Lets put this thing to rest eh?
KK knew exactly how much we were paying for Carroll. It wasnt a secret, he wasnt forced to take him for that price, and he certainly didnt fight against him coming here. KK wanted us to pay that much and it was payed. End of
To try and absolve him from any responsibility is silly and pathetic

[devaney]

Thommo - Silly and pathetic on this forum !! What an outrageous thing to say...........

[Thommo's perm]

Thommo - Silly and pathetic on this forum !! What an outrageous thing to say...........

I should know..

[Benny The Noon]

I believe that Carroll won't do anything until he finds out if Newcastle will make a bid - because that's where I think he wants to go regardless of money

And that is exactly the type of behaviour I'm referring to !!!!

Buts it's not all about the money as you are suggesting - unless you don't think it's about the money ?

[Benny The Noon]

Lets put this thing to rest eh?
KK knew exactly how much we were paying for Carroll. It wasnt a secret, he wasnt forced to take him for that price, and he certainly didnt fight against him coming here. KK wanted us to pay that much and it was payed. End of
To try and absolve him from any responsibility is silly and pathetic

Kenny had just taken over as manager - Comolli had pretty already sealed the Suarez deal. Torres then put in a request to leave and Comolli said to Kenny that he could get Carroll and Kenny said yes - it's in his autobiography - the manager wasnt responsible for the fees and wages -that was down to the DoF - Comolli. That's why Comolli was employed and that's why he was fired. Kenny didn't do the negotiating in regards the price and fee just as BR doesn't for his signings - that's down to Ayre. That's the make up within most teams.

The manager picks the players - the money men sort out the details

Blame Kenny for saying yes to Carroll but look towards Comolli for the fee and wages

[Ben Patrick]

Lets put this thing to rest eh?
KK knew exactly how much we were paying for Carroll. It wasnt a secret, he wasnt forced to take him for that price, and he certainly didnt fight against him coming here. KK wanted us to pay that much and it was payed. End of
To try and absolve him from any responsibility is silly and pathetic

Kenny had just taken over as manager - Comolli had pretty already sealed the Suarez deal. Torres then put in a request to leave and Comolli said to Kenny that he could get Carroll and Kenny said yes - it's in his autobiography - the manager wasnt responsible for the fees and wages -that was down to the DoF - Comolli. That's why Comolli was employed and that's why he was fired. Kenny didn't do the negotiating in regards the price and fee just as BR doesn't for his signings - that's down to Ayre. That's the make up within most teams.

The manager picks the players - the money men sort out the details

Blame Kenny for saying yes to Carroll but look towards Comolli for the fee and wages

I dont buy that for a second and the reason being is surely how much money spent on any player will impact funds available for other players or transfers in the next window etc.
Are you seriously suggesting the conversation was just - we can get Carroll and no mention of how much he would cost and the impact on any future business etc ?
If that is the case its a p!ss poor way of working.

[Benny The Noon]

Read Kennys bio

The budget etc was all down to Comolli - it was going to be working along the lines of Spanish or Italian clubs who leave the financial side to a DoF with the manager having no part in it.

Comolli asked how much and then went to Chelsea and said give us what Newcastle want for Carroll plus £15mil.

Remember Kenny was just there as a caretaker at that time - the budgets were controlled by Comolli.

[redno7]

either way you look at it the outcome was the same. We had our kegs pulled down to our ankles and we got a rodgering of the finest order from them Toons!

[devaney]

I believe that Carroll won't do anything until he finds out if Newcastle will make a bid - because that's where I think he wants to go regardless of money

And that is exactly the type of behaviour I'm referring to !!!!

Buts it's not all about the money as you are suggesting - unless you don't think it's about the money ?

It's all about the fact that virtually nobody of quality wants him and he has a very lucrative contract with Liverpool that has 2.5 years left to run. If you want to believe that Andy simply wants to stay at Liverpool to prove himself then that is your prerogative. I believe money is the key factor.

[Benny The Noon]

I believe Carroll wants to prove himself where he can be given a chance and at a club he wants to be at. He is waiting for Newcastlr but not because of money - because that's the club I think he wants to be at regardless of his wages. Nothing has been suggested by him that it's all about money or is the key factor

[maguskwt]

Read Kennys bio

The budget etc was all down to Comolli - it was going to be working along the lines of Spanish or Italian clubs who leave the financial side to a DoF with the manager having no part in it.

Comolli asked how much and then went to Chelsea and said give us what Newcastle want for Carroll plus £15mil.

Remember Kenny was just there as a caretaker at that time - the budgets were controlled by Comolli.

That's a very irresponsible way of doing business and he got fired for it rightfully... Imagine who we could've bought for 35 freakin million! and we go and buy andy freakin carroll! By the way Kenny also didn't do too well with all his purchases, charlie adams, henderson and downing... for like 50 million or so... that's like 85 million, which when used wisely, we could have already build a top 4 team...

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

Lets put this thing to rest eh?
KK knew exactly how much we were paying for Carroll. It wasnt a secret, he wasnt forced to take him for that price, and he certainly didnt fight against him coming here. KK wanted us to pay that much and it was payed. End of
To try and absolve him from any responsibility is silly and pathetic

Kenny had just taken over as manager - Comolli had pretty already sealed the Suarez deal. Torres then put in a request to leave and Comolli said to Kenny that he could get Carroll and Kenny said yes - it's in his autobiography - the manager wasnt responsible for the fees and wages -that was down to the DoF - Comolli. That's why Comolli was employed and that's why he was fired. Kenny didn't do the negotiating in regards the price and fee just as BR doesn't for his signings - that's down to Ayre. That's the make up within most teams.

The manager picks the players - the money men sort out the details

Blame Kenny for saying yes to Carroll but look towards Comolli for the fee and wages

I dont buy that for a second and the reason being is surely how much money spent on any player will impact funds available for other players or transfers in the next window etc.
Are you seriously suggesting the conversation was just - we can get Carroll and no mention of how much he would cost and the impact on any future business etc ?
If that is the case its a p!ss poor way of working.

benny`s right, i think people are forgetting what happened here.
when carroll and suarez arrived kenny had only been back at the club 3 weeks, he was brought in originally as an interim manager, he only became a realistic proposition for the job on a permanent basis quite late on in the season after we went on a terrific run of results which saw us get to second in the form table over the latter half of the season.
up until about the end of april/early may the owners and comoli stuck to the line that they wanted to go forward with a younger man in charge, even when they agreed to give kenny the job permanently there were rumours that the owners felt that they had given in to fan pressure against their better wishes.
they didnt really want him.
there`s no way that the owners would give a interim manager who had been at the club 3 weeks (and been out of the game for a decade) £50m to spend on who he wanted. especially when he wasnt in their long term plans.
i`ve no doubt kenny was kept in the loop, but i think kenny just went with the flow early on, getting the managers job back at his age was a dream to him and there was no way he was going to rock the boat.
comoli was brought in specifically because he believed in this moneyball philosophy.
as it is looking back comoli didnt do that bad of a job, okay he massively overspent but most of his signings are regulars in the first team even now (enrique, downing, henderson and suarez)

[Benny The Noon]

Read Kennys bio

The budget etc was all down to Comolli - it was going to be working along the lines of Spanish or Italian clubs who leave the financial side to a DoF with the manager having no part in it.

Comolli asked how much and then went to Chelsea and said give us what Newcastle want for Carroll plus £15mil.

Remember Kenny was just there as a caretaker at that time - the budgets were controlled by Comolli.

That's a very irresponsible way of doing business and he got fired for it rightfully... Imagine who we could've bought for 35 freakin million! and we go and buy andy freakin carroll! By the way Kenny also didn't do too well with all his purchases, charlie adams, henderson and downing... for like 50 million or so... that's like 85 million, which when used wisely, we could have already build a top 4 team...

You would be very surprised how many clubs work that way.

At both Madrid and Barce the manager doesn't get involved in the transfer fees etc

That's where you need a good DOF to be in place and obviously we had Comolli who just spent what was needed to get the player - he did the same at Spurs.

Downing was bought for £20 odd mil because Comolli agreed that price - same with Henderson etc

The choice of players was down to Kenny.

The owners put their trust and belief in Comolli. Why I'm unsure of because his track record wasnt the greatest.

[SouthCoastShankly]

Read Kennys bio

The budget etc was all down to Comolli - it was going to be working along the lines of Spanish or Italian clubs who leave the financial side to a DoF with the manager having no part in it.

Comolli asked how much and then went to Chelsea and said give us what Newcastle want for Carroll plus £15mil.

Remember Kenny was just there as a caretaker at that time - the budgets were controlled by Comolli.

That's a very irresponsible way of doing business and he got fired for it rightfully... Imagine who we could've bought for 35 freakin million! and we go and buy andy freakin carroll! By the way Kenny also didn't do too well with all his purchases, charlie adams, henderson and downing... for like 50 million or so... that's like 85 million, which when used wisely, we could have already build a top 4 team...

You would be very surprised how many clubs work that way.

At both Madrid and Barce the manager doesn't get involved in the transfer fees etc

That's where you need a good DOF to be in place and obviously we had Comolli who just spent what was needed to get the player - he did the same at Spurs.

Downing was bought for £20 odd mil because Comolli agreed that price - same with Henderson etc

The choice of players was down to Kenny.

The owners put their trust and belief in Comolli. Why I'm unsure of because his track record wasnt the greatest.

However the Carroll purchase was clearly a committee decision baring in mind the time they had to make a decision. It was a pure reaction to the Torres sale. Comolli and Kenny looks for a PL striker they could tempt away on that day.

[Benny The Noon]

Why was it clearly a "committee decision" ?

What committee are you talking about ?

As its stated in Kennys book - Comolli asked Kenny if he would like Carroll as a replacement for the departing Torres and Kenny said yes so Comolli then went and sorted it out.

The club were already looking at Carroll previous to that day about possibly signing in the future anyway. Even Rafa at one point looked at him. Because of the departing Torres they went for him early even though he was injured.

It backfired - he cost too much which put far too much pressure on him from both fans and media alike.

If we had waited until the summer we could have got him for a great deal less and the situation could have ended up better.