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[The Raven]

In his defence his mental state must be shot.

He was forced outa Toon, came here for way to much money, then is shipped out again against his will.

If it was me i would stop giving a ***** and collect the money

He did that for fifteen months when he joined us lad !!! 

Because he never wanted to leave the toon. IMO he started to get his head in the game at the end of the season, only to be forced out again

[devaney]

In his defence his mental state must be shot.

He was forced outa Toon, came here for way to much money, then is shipped out again against his will.

If it was me i would stop giving a ***** and collect the money

He did that for fifteen months when he joined us lad !!! 

Because he never wanted to leave the toon. IMO he started to get his head in the game at the end of the season, only to be forced out again

He literally played like an absolute tool for fifteen months and the key reason he started to make an effort was to try and resurrect a career that was rapidly going down the toilet !! He is regarded as an out and out striker and he has scored 3 goals in 37 league games which is an awful record however you want to spin it.

[devaney]

Sorry ycsatbjywtbiastkamb but whilst I admire your support for Andy your argument is seriously flawed. I accept that Andy had a few decent performances in the cup towards the end of last season. For fifteen months he played some very average to poor football. Yes he scored 11 goals in eighteen games before joining us. Three of them were against an awful Villa. Take a look at our results in the league from 3rd January 2011 to the end of last season. Andy started in most of those games and if he didn't start he was used as a sub. We lost more matches in the league during that period than we have for more than thirty years. Andy score two goals against a woeful Wolves and an awful Blackburn and his performances certainly didn't help us win matches. Am I missing something. I've desperately tried to support Andy but at the moment I think he is simply a square peg in a round hole.

[Kenny Kan]

Had the Newcastle fixture last year come much earlier than it did - where they left him under no illusions regarding their feelings for him he would have IMO had a much better season overall. It wasn't until this fixture came around that his form improved.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

Sorry ycsatbjywtbiastkamb but whilst I admire your support for Andy your argument is seriously flawed. I accept that Andy had a few decent performances in the cup towards the end of last season. For fifteen months he played some very average to poor football. Yes he scored 11 goals in eighteen games before joining us. Three of them were against an awful Villa. Take a look at our results in the league from 3rd January 2011 to the end of last season. Andy started in most of those games and if he didn't start he was used as a sub. We lost more matches in the league during that period than we have for more than thirty years. Andy score two goals against a woeful Wolves and an awful Blackburn and his performances certainly didn't help us win matches. Am I missing something. I've desperately tried to support Andy but at the moment I think he is simply a square peg in a round hole.

well i`m sorry mate but i disagree with you.
target men type CF`s are like CB`s, normally they dont start to make an impact until they reach their mid to late 20`s, in his early 20`s teddy sheringham was knocking around the lower league`s with millwall and aldershot, crouch was being labelled as a freakshow at QPR and drogba was in the lower league`s in france with guingamp, all 3 went on to play in champions league finals.
carroll is actually way ahead of the curve.
he first got thrown into the newcastle side at 19 the season when they went down, they threw him in at the tail end of the campaign and he did well, he caused a lot of havoc and managed to score one or two goals including a memorable header against stoke.
the following season in the championship he lead the line for newcastle and scored the goals that fired them back into the premiership, he was starting to be noticed because at 20 he was physically dominating tough, experienced lower league CB`s.
those centre halves in the lower divisions are tough lads and it`s one thing to outpace them or dribble past them but a entirely different thing to overpower them in an arm wrestle, especially at 20.
back in the prem at 21 as you point out he scored 11 goals in 17 games but you dont take into account the general impact he made, at 21 he should have been just learning his trade but he was giving defenders nightmare`s.
it wasnt just villa he scored against btw.
he scored the winner at the emirates by outjumping the arsenal keeper with a huge leap to record newcastles first win away at arsenal in decades, he scored against chelsea bullying john terry along the way and then totally demolished our two toughest centre halves soto and skrtel up at st james park scoring a 25 yarder in the process. he should have scored at old trafford too, vidic struggled to cope with him and carroll missed a sitter of a header from about 5 yards out after he rose above the serb.
everyone knows he didnt want to leave newcastle and he found himself in the situation of being shoved out of the door by his boyhood club and a £35m millstone hung around his neck 6 days after he turned 22.
is it any surprise that he found it tough going at first?
i know if i came through liverpools ranks and made it into the first team and then they shoved me out of the door at 21 i`d be f##king devastated.
what i liked about him was although he was a national figure of ridicule in the press (being called everything from a thug to the biggest waste of money ever) and on the terraces he showed the mental toughness to try to turn his liverpool career around at only 22.
he even turned the general publics opinion around with his displays for england.
just when he thinks he has battled back then rodgers arrives and cold shoulders him. no wonder the lad is dillusioned.
on his day he is unplayable and carrolls best years are ahead of him.
i`d have him back.

[maguskwt]

Too bad we don't have Sam Allardyce as our manager then...

[Thommo's perm]

Sorry ycsatbjywtbiastkamb but whilst I admire your support for Andy your argument is seriously flawed. I accept that Andy had a few decent performances in the cup towards the end of last season. For fifteen months he played some very average to poor football. Yes he scored 11 goals in eighteen games before joining us. Three of them were against an awful Villa. Take a look at our results in the league from 3rd January 2011 to the end of last season. Andy started in most of those games and if he didn't start he was used as a sub. We lost more matches in the league during that period than we have for more than thirty years. Andy score two goals against a woeful Wolves and an awful Blackburn and his performances certainly didn't help us win matches. Am I missing something. I've desperately tried to support Andy but at the moment I think he is simply a square peg in a round hole.

well i`m sorry mate but i disagree with you.
target men type CF`s are like CB`s, normally they dont start to make an impact until they reach their mid to late 20`s, in his early 20`s teddy sheringham was knocking around the lower league`s with millwall and aldershot, crouch was being labelled as a freakshow at QPR and drogba was in the lower league`s in france with guingamp, all 3 went on to play in champions league finals.
carroll is actually way ahead of the curve.
he first got thrown into the newcastle side at 19 the season when they went down, they threw him in at the tail end of the campaign and he did well, he caused a lot of havoc and managed to score one or two goals including a memorable header against stoke.
the following season in the championship he lead the line for newcastle and scored the goals that fired them back into the premiership, he was starting to be noticed because at 20 he was physically dominating tough, experienced lower league CB`s.
those centre halves in the lower divisions are tough lads and it`s one thing to outpace them or dribble past them but a entirely different thing to overpower them in an arm wrestle, especially at 20.
back in the prem at 21 as you point out he scored 11 goals in 17 games but you dont take into account the general impact he made, at 21 he should have been just learning his trade but he was giving defenders nightmare`s.
it wasnt just villa he scored against btw.
he scored the winner at the emirates by outjumping the arsenal keeper with a huge leap to record newcastles first win away at arsenal in decades, he scored against chelsea bullying john terry along the way and then totally demolished our two toughest centre halves soto and skrtel up at st james park scoring a 25 yarder in the process. he should have scored at old trafford too, vidic struggled to cope with him and carroll missed a sitter of a header from about 5 yards out after he rose above the serb.
everyone knows he didnt want to leave newcastle and he found himself in the situation of being shoved out of the door by his boyhood club and a £35m millstone hung around his neck 6 days after he turned 22.
is it any surprise that he found it tough going at first?
i know if i came through liverpools ranks and made it into the first team and then they shoved me out of the door at 21 i`d be f##king devastated.
what i liked about him was although he was a national figure of ridicule in the press (being called everything from a thug to the biggest waste of money ever) and on the terraces he showed the mental toughness to try to turn his liverpool career around at only 22.
he even turned the general publics opinion around with his displays for england.
just when he thinks he has battled back then rodgers arrives and cold shoulders him. no wonder the lad is dillusioned.
on his day he is unplayable and carrolls best years are ahead of him.
i`d have him back.

Theres more chance of Torres coming back Im afraid
Andy Carroll has no place in the current managers squad, never mind team. He doesnt want him and thats that

[devaney]

Sorry ycsatbjywtbiastkamb but whilst I admire your support for Andy your argument is seriously flawed. I accept that Andy had a few decent performances in the cup towards the end of last season. For fifteen months he played some very average to poor football. Yes he scored 11 goals in eighteen games before joining us. Three of them were against an awful Villa. Take a look at our results in the league from 3rd January 2011 to the end of last season. Andy started in most of those games and if he didn't start he was used as a sub. We lost more matches in the league during that period than we have for more than thirty years. Andy score two goals against a woeful Wolves and an awful Blackburn and his performances certainly didn't help us win matches. Am I missing something. I've desperately tried to support Andy but at the moment I think he is simply a square peg in a round hole.

well i`m sorry mate but i disagree with you.
target men type CF`s are like CB`s, normally they dont start to make an impact until they reach their mid to late 20`s, in his early 20`s teddy sheringham was knocking around the lower league`s with millwall and aldershot, crouch was being labelled as a freakshow at QPR and drogba was in the lower league`s in france with guingamp, all 3 went on to play in champions league finals.
carroll is actually way ahead of the curve.
he first got thrown into the newcastle side at 19 the season when they went down, they threw him in at the tail end of the campaign and he did well, he caused a lot of havoc and managed to score one or two goals including a memorable header against stoke.
the following season in the championship he lead the line for newcastle and scored the goals that fired them back into the premiership, he was starting to be noticed because at 20 he was physically dominating tough, experienced lower league CB`s.
those centre halves in the lower divisions are tough lads and it`s one thing to outpace them or dribble past them but a entirely different thing to overpower them in an arm wrestle, especially at 20.
back in the prem at 21 as you point out he scored 11 goals in 17 games but you dont take into account the general impact he made, at 21 he should have been just learning his trade but he was giving defenders nightmare`s.
it wasnt just villa he scored against btw.
he scored the winner at the emirates by outjumping the arsenal keeper with a huge leap to record newcastles first win away at arsenal in decades, he scored against chelsea bullying john terry along the way and then totally demolished our two toughest centre halves soto and skrtel up at st james park scoring a 25 yarder in the process. he should have scored at old trafford too, vidic struggled to cope with him and carroll missed a sitter of a header from about 5 yards out after he rose above the serb.
everyone knows he didnt want to leave newcastle and he found himself in the situation of being shoved out of the door by his boyhood club and a £35m millstone hung around his neck 6 days after he turned 22.
is it any surprise that he found it tough going at first?
i know if i came through liverpools ranks and made it into the first team and then they shoved me out of the door at 21 i`d be f##king devastated.
what i liked about him was although he was a national figure of ridicule in the press (being called everything from a thug to the biggest waste of money ever) and on the terraces he showed the mental toughness to try to turn his liverpool career around at only 22.
he even turned the general publics opinion around with his displays for england.
just when he thinks he has battled back then rodgers arrives and cold shoulders him. no wonder the lad is dillusioned.
on his day he is unplayable and carrolls best years are ahead of him.
i`d have him back.

Admirable praise and who knows you may be right, Andy might come good and start scoring for fun in his mid to late twenties but as I don't have a crystal ball I'll stick with the evidence based on his extremely poor performance record with Liverpool.

Please don't try and convince me that it is harder to score goals in the Championship and that the defenders are tougher than the Premiership. 

On his day he is unplayable may also be true but those days just don't come around often enough. The second half of last season when he had numerous starts produce two goals. One against an awful Wolves and one against and equally bad Blackburn. He certainly wasn't terrorising teams during that period.

I think we will have to agree to differ.

[Kharhaz]

Its laughable. It really is.

Eds argument against my comment is how many supporters are going out of their way to argue with each other , while proving his own argument against mine, to simply cause new arguments. He did it in a way, not subtle, but direct insults towards me. Just read back, look at his argument against mine. See for your self, he directly insulted me, then went out of his way to shoot me down. And its me who is in the wrong.

The same goes for any old school supporter who supports the man wearing a Liverpool shirt.

THESE ARE THE RULES.

If a player plays for the club you support him. If a manager manages the club, you support him.

But lately, its not the case.

The supporters have got it into their head that what they say goes. Regarding club matters? no, it doesnt. The support matters.

This is why you see more and more people around Anfield booing. The supporters are being replaced by spoilt brats who dont even have the basics set to right.

There used to be a saying, "Liverpool supporters are the most knowledgable", going on todays support, the hell we are, our supporters are becoming as deluded as the rest of them.

[The Raven]

Its laughable. It really is.

THESE ARE THE RULES.

If a player plays for the club you support him. If a manager manages the club, you support him.

Supported Roy and Paul Konchesky like that did you?

[supersub]

Its laughable. It really is.

THESE ARE THE RULES.

If a player plays for the club you support him. If a manager manages the club, you support him.

Supported Roy and Paul Konchesky like that did you?

In his defence Konchesky couldn't play and Roy couldn't manage

[The Raven]

Its laughable. It really is.

THESE ARE THE RULES.

If a player plays for the club you support him. If a manager manages the club, you support him.

Supported Roy and Paul Konchesky like that did you?

In his defence Konchesky couldn't play and Roy couldn't manage

I will give that one!

The point is im getting ***** off with the whole SUPER FAN thing. Where nothing must ever be questioned and if you do your not a true fan yadda yadda, back in my day, you must be the from the sky generation, go back to playing football manager, your a Manc. I thought this was a forum not a shrine to all things LFC. I pay my money to these guys therfore i have a right to say what i want be it good or bad.

The time for blind faith is well and truly gone. If everyone had have been a hodwinked follower, Roy would have sent us down and hicks would have made us bankrupt.

[mart]

If a player plays for the club you support him. If a manager manages the club, you support him.

Supporting does not mean you have to pretend like every player is great, especially not on a forum.

Every f*cking thread on this forum ends up in a ***** contest over who is the biggest flawless superfan.

[Raoul]

Read that the Hammers are going to cancel his loan this summer. Probably belongs in the rumour mill, I've not seen it reported anywhere trustworthy, but the rationale makes sense (he is injured, expensive - though I doubt the Hammers are paying his full salary - and they've got similar players).

Here is the link: http://www.lfcstats.co.uk/2012/12/carroll-heading-back-to-anfield-in.html?m=1

[Kharhaz]

Its laughable. It really is.

THESE ARE THE RULES.

If a player plays for the club you support him. If a manager manages the club, you support him.

Supported Roy and Paul Konchesky like that did you?

Yes, yes I did. Look through the old the threads and see for yourself.

The problem Konchesky had was his cockney mother. Cockneys are loud enough at the best of times, throw in motherhood and you have, well, you know.

Also, as he is not a Liverpool player anymore, yeah he was cack.