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[SouthCoastShankly]

Speaking of money tho, we now have Carroll's value added to the squad when it comes to FFP rules.  FFP kicked in the following transfer window, so if we end up selling Carroll for £15 million, then that's £15 million more we have to break even.

The FIFA Fair Play rules only require break even accounts from 2017 onwards. Up to then the amount of debt posted by a club will slowly edge towards parity.

2011-2014 will allow a total of £40M loss across the period.
2014-2014 will allow a total of £26M loss across the period.

However, Uefa’s break-even calculation is not the same as a club’s financial accounts. Expenditure such as youth development, stadium infrastructure and community development does not count towards FFP. Depreciation on tangible fixed assets is also excluded.

There is room for clubs to manoeuvre in other areas. The entirety of a transfer fee does not automatically show up as an annual expense because clubs tend to amortise player acquisition costs over the length of their contracts. I.e. Spread the payments over multiple seasons.

If a club misses the financial targets they potentially will not be granted a UEFA licence and would not be able to participate in European competitions. There are some allowances, if a club does not meet the break-even rule but can prove their debt removal is on a positive trend then they possibly may be given leniency and granted a UEFA licence.

So we are allowed a £40 million loss from 11-14?  But doesn't that disclude AC's fee?  So technically if we were to sell him for 15, then we could essentially lose 55 from other sources.  The fact we spent a lot last summer, and whatever we spend for the next few years could surely add up?

Yes exactly.

The trick here is to invest into areas that are not counted towards the FFPR. Infrastructure, youth development, etc

[maypaxvobiscum]

Brendan Rodgers has said he would "need to be nutcase" in order to let £35 million striker Andy Carroll leave Liverpool on loan.

In what appears an about-face on remarks made earlier in the summer as speculation over Caroll's future intensified, the Anfield manager said his squad was not deep enough to allow the 23-year-old to go without generating funds to sign a replacement.

He hit out at Newcastle - who sold Carroll to Liverpool in January 2011 - saying they would be taking "a liberty" if they tried to bring the England striker back to the North-East in a loan deal.

"There is absolutely no chance [of a loan deal] - and certainly not Newcastle,'' Rodgers was quoted as saying in the Guardian. "Newcastle got £35 million for this player last year. To even consider wanting to take him on loan is a liberty, really.

"We have got a very small squad as it is. We have lost a lot of players this summer, and I have not replaced them as of yet. That is the reality of where we are."

Rodgers said he needed a minimum of three strikers - which he has in Carroll, Luis Suarez and new arrival Fabio Borini - and said: "I would need to be a nutcase even to consider at this moment to let Carroll go out, unless there are other solutions for that."

In July, the Liverpool manager had suggested he would be open to the possibility of a loan deal for Carroll, with both West Ham and Newcastle expressing an interest in signing him.

But the Magpies' proposal - thought to be an initial loan move with a view to a potential £12 million permanent switch - has riled the Liverpool manager, while the player rejected the idea of a move to Upton Park.

Carroll, who was on the bench as the Merseysiders crashed to a 3-0 defeat at West Brom on the Premier League's opening day, is in line to start Thursday night's Europa League game at Hearts.

"He is due to start but he has felt a slight twinge, so we have had it looked at and scanned," Rodgers explained. "We will see what his response is. If he is available and then fit, he will start."

He said there had been no further developments in Manchester City's pursuit of central defender Daniel Agger, for whom the champions are reportedly ready to pay around £20 million.

"I can't see anything [happening] at this stage, to be honest," he said. "Like every player in the group, if someone comes in with a big, big offer then that might be out of my hands in relation to the club and where it is at with finances."

[Reg]

They sure are talking a lot about a guy they don't want to sell.

[maguskwt]

Replica heroes are laid for a quote

could you expand on this idea a little for us, please?

It means that you can lay with replica heroes for a price

[mart]

Sounds like they are waiting for the end of the transfer window in the hope of getting a higher price for him.

[The Raven]

Injured?

More like they dont want him cup tied. Andy is a gonna.

[Eagle]

If he played tonight or next week he won't be cup tied for the group stages. You don't know what you're talking about.

[The Raven]

I thought that would only come into force if we didnt make the group stages

[NorfolkRed]

Assaidi couldnt play tonight as he was cup tied but he will be available once we get to the group stage

[ethanr]

I was thinking there were some cup-tie problems as well, but that's a good point, if he could play again in the group stages then it really doesn't matter.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

he`s as good as gone, probably going to be shoved out so we can bring a 30 year old yank in to flog a few shirts in the states.
terrible decision if you ask me.

[LFC2007]

I thought that would only come into force if we didnt make the group stages

That used to be the case last season but UEFA changed the rules for this season's competition to allow clubs to field players who have played in the qualifying/play-off rounds for other clubs from the group stages onwards, irrespective of whether the player's former club makes the group stages. That means Carroll can't be cup-tied by playing in the Hearts tie. Before the game, the manager said Carroll had a slight twinge in his hamstring and that leaving him out was a precaution. I tend to believe him.

[Raoul]

I tend to believe him.

There is zero reason not to.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

I tend to believe him.

There is zero reason not to.

apart from `injuries` like this being the oldest trick in the book when it comes to making sure a players on their way out of a club dont really get injured a f**k up any potential moves?

[Raoul]

I tend to believe him.

There is zero reason not to.

apart from `injuries` like this being the oldest trick in the book when it comes to making sure a players on their way out of a club dont really get injured a f**k up any potential moves?

OK, one reason not to believe him.