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[7_Kewell]

Fully expect Carroll to start and score against Norwich on saturday

[maguskwt]

We should try to sign Plavuchenko..  I'm sorry but Andy can't be relied on this season and we need a partner for suarez now. Otherwise Suarez will burn out...

he is even worse, he has nothing to offer upfront only blast the ball into the net

That's funny because he just scored tonight... After not playing for a long time, he comes on and he scored. He is a more proven scorer and had scored 14-15 goals a season for them when he played full seasons. His positioning in the box and his anticipation is way better than Andy.

[maguskwt]

We should try to sign Plavuchenko.. 

Seriously. Why not come out as a Spurs fan now?

fuck me! LOL 

The only thing really wrong with your little dig is that if I WERE a spurs fan, I wouldn't want to sell pavluchenko. Think before you insult... seriously lol...

[Waldo]

We definitely needa clinical striker in the side imo,a ''fox in the box'' to get us goals regularly.

to be honest i'm surprised we didn't push harder to get sturridge as part of the torres deal.

Said the same myself at the time.

Kenny has many options upfront available to him with the players we have...

Last weekend we saw a front line (including attacking midfield) of Suarez, Downing, Gerrard and Kuyt start v Man Utd

What's to say this weekend we don't see a front line of Carroll, Bellamy, Gerrard and Henderson start v Norwich??

We have lots of options in attack these days and Carroll will get plenty game time. I back him to start on Saturday!

[metalhead]

We should try to sign Plavuchenko..  I'm sorry but Andy can't be relied on this season and we need a partner for suarez now. Otherwise Suarez will burn out...

he is even worse, he has nothing to offer upfront only blast the ball into the net

That's funny because he just scored tonight... After not playing for a long time, he comes on and he scored. He is a more proven scorer and had scored 14-15 goals a season for them when he played full seasons. His positioning in the box and his anticipation is way better than Andy.

Really?

He scored 10 premier league goals in 29 appearances last season compared to Andy's 13 goals in 26 appearances. He scored yesterday against a very poor Rubin side, hardly a competing team. He isn't good at anticipation, he always gets the ball and hits it that's how he gets most of his goals because he has shot power.

Don't even compare who is a better player, I would rather have Andy Carroll any day of the week

[Reg]

Half the problem is he doesn't 'look right'.  After a skinny and jinkie-fast Torres, we have a big, heavy, lumbering Carroll with a ponytail and a strange kinda lolloping movement which isn't easy on the eye. Once he starts scoring goals we'll get used to it however until then I  guess people are going to look at this guy and ask where he fits in.  I remember watching Red Rum race at various courses over different distances and come unplaced time after time - over the hill, time to take him round the back. Then Aintree and the darn thing puts in another race of a lifetime. Again and again.  Carroll simply hasn't found his rythmn, Kenny hasn't unravelled the puzzle. All sports are strategic, tactical, a series of movements and LFC need to dissect his games, his running patterns, speed etc.. and in combination with those of other players, 'appoint' a role for him and design moves around that.  Analyse the Newcastle performances in the same way. Identify his best game style then play it. Shall I call Kenny?

[ethanr]

Pav scored against a bad side... In preseason Carroll was scoring plenty against lesser sides, and scored against a lesser English league in the Carling Cup.  He scored against Sunderland first game of the season and it was wrongly disallowed.  He's hit the post and had some very good saves against him this season.  SUre he hasn't looked amazing, but he's been getting better and better.  He scored a decent goal away from home against a decent Everton side.

Sure he looks goofy, but I've got no doubt that if we get some confidence going in him he'll perform.  We need everybody to get on the same page... We've got Suarez playing really well and Downing and Enrique work great down the left.  Stevie's back now as well, and Adam is known to put in a decent ball on occasion.  We've got the players now to get him the balls he needs.. It's only a matter of time.

Fully expect him to start against Norwich, and somewhat expecting him to score as well.

[ethanr]

He's only played the entire game 4 times this season.  He's scored 1 goal, and 2 if you count the wrongly disallowed goal (I know, I don't get over things very easy).  That's 2 goals in 4 complete games, which is perfectly fine.  You can't really count the games against Stoke and Bolton because he only got 15 and 25 against the 2, and he's not really the player that comes off the bench to score.  The 2 games he played the entire time was against Spurs, where we played with 2 men down, so you can't really expect anything from that, and the other was away to Arsenal.. Even tho they've been playing bad you can't really expect much.

He hasn't had the easiest time so far, and once we get him more incorporated in the team I think he'll do great.  Our next 3 games are against lower clubs and I expect him to get some minutes and get some goals.

[Thommo's perm]

For £35 million I want hat tricks every game

[ethanr]

For £35 million I want hat tricks every game

Then you're delusional. Asking for a goal every game is beyond ridiculous from anybody... Even Messi doesn't score that often, and if Messi was for sale I'm sure there's a few clubs willing to pay 10 times what we paid for Carroll for his services.

[damjan193]

For £35 million I want hat tricks every game

Then you're delusional. Asking for a goal every game is beyond ridiculous from anybody... Even Messi doesn't score that often, and if Messi was for sale I'm sure there's a few clubs willing to pay 10 times what we paid for Carroll for his services.

Well definitely not a hat-trick every game and maybe not even a goal every game, but for that money, I expect the player to score at least 15-20 goals per season. I'm not saying that there's no chance he'll come good in the future, but for now it doesn't look that way and let's be honest, at the moment he sucks! Anyway, I think Thommo's perm wasn't serious and was trying to be sarcastic .

[maguskwt]

Half the problem is he doesn't 'look right'.  After a skinny and jinkie-fast Torres, we have a big, heavy, lumbering Carroll with a ponytail and a strange kinda lolloping movement which isn't easy on the eye. Once he starts scoring goals we'll get used to it however until then I  guess people are going to look at this guy and ask where he fits in.  I remember watching Red Rum race at various courses over different distances and come unplaced time after time - over the hill, time to take him round the back. Then Aintree and the darn thing puts in another race of a lifetime. Again and again.  Carroll simply hasn't found his rythmn, Kenny hasn't unravelled the puzzle. All sports are strategic, tactical, a series of movements and LFC need to dissect his games, his running patterns, speed etc.. and in combination with those of other players, 'appoint' a role for him and design moves around that.  Analyse the Newcastle performances in the same way. Identify his best game style then play it. Shall I call Kenny?

Yes please... 

[Reg]

He's hit the post

I won't want to be  feckin post with that lad firing at me.

Theres too much citisicm here. And I know, I'm an expert.

So its good night from me, its 2am in Liverpool and I have a flight at 9am from Manchester back to Singapore tomorrow.

Carroll for 3 tomorrow.

Yer moaning minnis..........   

[maguskwt]

Let's see... my concerns with Andy are:

- Anticipation... whenever a cross or a pull back comes in, Andy is most of the time 10 feet away from where the ball is going

- Positioning... ditto above

- Off the ball movement... explain why he's not involved in the build up as much as we would like him to be because his team mates couldn't pass the ball to him.

- Takes too much time to pull the trigger... at this level, if you take 2 seconds to kick the ball, the ball is likely going to be nicked from him or blocked.

- Cannot make space for himself... funny some on here mentions Pavlyuchenko just kicks the ball... what does our Andy do?

- Attitude/Body Language... as big and strong as he is, the defenders are suppose to be the ones fustrated with. Just like how Suarez tortured Evra and Suarez is only 5'10" or so. As it turns out, Andy is the one most of time complaining and getting fustrated.

His only strong point at the moment... is his aerial strength. Even then, because of his positioning his headers are easily saved. I just don't see him become a key striker for us like how Suarez is, Torres was, Fowler and Owen was, etc.

You can defend Andy all you want but the above issues are glaringly obvious. I'm being objective here and I don't have the need to condemn Andy. Let's see when the patience of the majority runs out.

[alwayslfc]

Let's see... my concerns with Andy are:

- Anticipation... whenever a cross or a pull back comes in, Andy is most of the time 10 feet away from where the ball is going

- Positioning... ditto above

- Off the ball movement... explain why he's not involved in the build up as much as we would like him to be because his team mates couldn't pass the ball to him.

- Takes too much time to pull the trigger... at this level, if you take 2 seconds to kick the ball, the ball is likely going to be nicked from him or blocked.

- Cannot make space for himself... funny some on here mentions Pavlyuchenko just kicks the ball... what does our Andy do?

- Attitude/Body Language... as big and strong as he is, the defenders are suppose to be the ones fustrated with. Just like how Suarez tortured Evra and Suarez is only 5'10" or so. As it turns out, Andy is the one most of time complaining and getting fustrated.

His only strong point at the moment... is his aerial strength. Even then, because of his positioning his headers are easily saved. I just don't see him become a key striker for us like how Suarez is, Torres was, Fowler and Owen was, etc.

You can defend Andy all you want but the above issues are glaringly obvious. I'm being objective here and I don't have the need to condemn Andy. Let's see when the patience of the majority runs out.

[quote]

Well said Magus. I agree with you. All those Carroll defenders, let's see how long their patience will last before they demand him to be sold.

If he's still not improving or start scoring consistently by Christmas, KD must forget about justifying the 35 mill price tag hoping to get water from a dried well, then he must get someone else who can partner well with Suarez in the January window.