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[Thommo's perm]

We are obsessed with price and cost as a society.
How much was it? Could you have got it cheaper? Were you ripped off?
I dont know about you but I am ripped off most, if not every day in one way or another. The cost of gas, lecky, water, petrol, food in supermarkets, food in restaurants, beer, clothes. My car is too much, my mortgage is too much, the price of going to see a play or a film, tickets for the match is too much. Going on holiday or staying home. Everything costs too much!
The question is, is it worth it? Are any of the things Ive mentioned actually worth it. Can you honestly say that everything you pay for is worth it? Id guess no.
My point is we should stop being obsessed with how much he cost. If he scores a few and makes a few and we win something or qualify for the CL then he will have been worth it to me. If we dont, then maybe we can say that he was a waste of money who cost too much. Im not really ar'sed. We can afford it so why worry? Players have been overpriced before and we have had some absolute bargains through the years. C'est la vie.
What concerns me is that we are playing into the hands of bitters and manks and any other team who will surely shout "what a waste of money"
Isnt that the real reason people are worried?

Agree with you on this. But I have to say that Liverpool did make a big blunder in signing him in January. If they really wanted him, they could have waited until the summer. Why? He was out of action for 8 weeks when we signed him in Jan. When he first played in March, he lacked match fitness or partially injured and out most of the remaining games. Wouldn't it have made more financial sense if Liverpool signed him in the summer?

I suppose DC and KK are humans after all and do make mistakes and that was an expensive mistake they made. I now feel there's no need crying over spilled milk and hope he will come out good and if not, we'll ask Chelsea whether they will want him for 70 million but after discount 50 million.

It will be a mistake if Carroll doesnt do his job
It will be expensive if you focus on the cost

[redtrader74]

The best strikers in the modern game have quick feet, sharp movement and great touch, he has none of these qualities at the level needed.

Like Drogba you mean?

Yeah, at his best he did have quick feet, and sharp movement, he's a fcking high class athlete, Carroll is not.

He may yet fit into a system that is successful overall, but he does not fit the mould of a prolific goal scorer.

[tubby]

Ok so now that most are in agreement what's the next step. Do we put aside any faith Kenny has in him and continue to slate him for the rest of the season or do we actually give him a chance? I can't imagine Crouch was much more impressive in as many games for us. Granted he didn't cost as much as Carroll but we hadn't just sold a striker for 50 mil so there is probably something in that.

It seems since we got a bit of money the patience that was previously afforded to players has gone out of the window.

[redtrader74]

No one is really slating Carroll, he is what he is, most of the criticism is regarding the time and price he was bought at. We don't have bags of money, this spending has also been financed through sales and a need to get into a CL position so that most of next seasons buys will be through income generation.

He'll get the support of the fans if he starts performing to his level, the worry is will he fit in, can he play with Suarez?

[RedSi35]

He just needs to get a proper haircut and everything will be ok.

[Thommo's perm]

Ok so now that most are in agreement what's the next step. Do we put aside any faith Kenny has in him and continue to slate him for the rest of the season or do we actually give him a chance? I can't imagine Crouch was much more impressive in as many games for us. Granted he didn't cost as much as Carroll but we hadn't just sold a striker for 50 mil so there is probably something in that.

It seems since we got a bit of money the patience that was previously afforded to players has gone out of the window.

Crouch had a dogs abuse for months and months
I honestly have never heard a Liverpool player so vilified in all my days as a red.
His height, his looks, his manner, his weight, his hair, his legs, his accent, his ability, his style, his attitude. Every single thing about him was not only wrong but offended people to the point that I was falling out with friends I had known for years because of their derogatory comments. Even when he started scoring regularly some couldnt let their prejudices go.
I am feeling a similar attitude towards Carroll. There is no reason to judge him at this moment, yet some are so eager to cast aspersions and openly criticise him that it saddens me that the lads not being given a fair crack of the whip. I have some doubts and have said that I hope he can understand how lucky he is and enjoy his time by concentrating on what he can do for the team rather than what he might think he is expected to do alone. But the more the fans fall into the trap of putting high expectations and pressure on him, the more chance there is that he wont respond and will eventually crack. Then who will we blame? Him, KK or ourselves for not supporting him when he needed us most?

[tubby]

Exactly Thommo, everyone just needs to get behind him more instead of sitting there waiting to say I told you so. Also it probably doens't help that Suarez came in and hit the ground running, some players take a while to settle eg Dzeko as SCS pointed out. Hand on heart I think he will come good in the end.

[Thommo's perm]

Exactly Thommo, everyone just needs to get behind him more instead of sitting there waiting to say I told you so. Also it probably doens't help that Suarez came in and hit the ground running, some players take a while to settle eg Dzeko as SCS pointed out. Hand on heart I think he will come good in the end.

Henry was rope at arsenal for a year
Waste of time, space and money...

[redtrader74]

Exactly Thommo, everyone just needs to get behind him more instead of sitting there waiting to say I told you so. Also it probably doens't help that Suarez came in and hit the ground running, some players take a while to settle eg Dzeko as SCS pointed out. Hand on heart I think he will come good in the end.

Henry was rope at arsenal for a year
Waste of time, space and money...

Yup, 26 goals in the first season is pretty sh!t 

[Thommo's perm]

Exactly Thommo, everyone just needs to get behind him more instead of sitting there waiting to say I told you so. Also it probably doens't help that Suarez came in and hit the ground running, some players take a while to settle eg Dzeko as SCS pointed out. Hand on heart I think he will come good in the end.

Henry was rope at arsenal for a year
Waste of time, space and money...

Yup, 26 goals in the first season is pretty sh!t 

"Henry was immediately moulded into a striker by Wenger, a move that would pay rich dividends in years to come. However, doubts were raised about his ability to adapt to the quick and physical English game when he failed to score in his first eight games. After several difficult months in England, Henry even conceded that he had to "be re-taught everything about the art of striking."

[redtrader74]

"Henry was rope at Arsenal for a year"

26 goals says not, Carroll shouldn't need remolding into a PL striker, Newcastle is a lot closer to home than Turin. Wow it took him 8 games to settle, yeah he was a disaster, he had a lot to learn

[killerp]

i think Carroll is the only reason why we, as LFC fans, couldnt laugh harder
at judas demise at chelskit.

coz we are in the same situation, only 15m difference. 

Well no we can still laugh because we got Suarez out of that deal.

It would a be a lot worse if Andy was our main striker.

[Thommo's perm]

"Henry was rope at Arsenal for a year"

26 goals says not, Carroll shouldn't need remolding into a PL striker, Newcastle is a lot closer to home than Turin. Wow it took him 8 games to settle, yeah he was a disaster, he had a lot to learn

"After several difficult months in England, Henry even conceded that he had to "be re-taught everything about the art of striking."

[stmichael]

excellent point about dzeko. he was ridiculed last year as a flop because he hardly scored a league goal. everyone said that he lacked mobility and was a waste of money. now look at him.

[bunglemark2]

excellent point about dzeko. he was ridiculed last year as a flop because he hardly scored a league goal. everyone said that he lacked mobility and was a waste of money. now look at him.

Yeah, he's on the bench as well