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by **ConnO'var** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:29 am

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:Congratulations to Mourinho, he subdued and stifled the opposing team, and totally out thought Guardiola with regards to the midfield battle ,Barcelona were simply not allowed any freedom to impose their superior passing on the game without the intervention of a Milan boot ,Mourinho got his tactics spot on last night ,Barcelona simply could not handle the direct play from Mourinho's men and for that I applaud the fella ,......... but must he bring the spotlight firmly down on his self revering head by his comments after the match, ffs let the result speak for its self it was a brilliant result and his game plan was precise ,so why risk the chance of firing up Barcelona to the point of playing the game of their lives in the return leg ,sometimes these interviews he conducts seriously take something away from the team ,who were superb last night

I know what you mean mate......

But I think theres a method to his madness..... Takes the spotlight and hence pressure off of his own players.... leaving them able to concentrate fully on the task.

He is also smart enough to actually talk up the Barcelona team and players. If you read the articles, (sensationalist headlines apart) he actually praises their team and players' ability.... effectively offering a sop to wounded pride which in turn has the potential to dampen the ardour of their players in terms of a response in the return fixture.

His condemnation of their players in terms of their behaviour to the officials was also a carefully thought out strategy..... This will put the officials on high alert to any Barcelona protests on the day to prevent him being "right" so to speak should they allow themselves to be swayed too much... They'll want to prove him wrong... especially after the way Barcelona was handed a free pass in last seasons corresponding fixture against Chelsea. Either way, he wins.

He's no idiot is Mourinho. Still a grade "A" cunt though.... but no taking away his ability and brains though.

by **bigmick** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:43 am

Spot on Conn', Mourinho plays the press to get his retaliation in first in much the same way as Ferguson has for years. You can expect him to really start cranking up how much of a favour the Norwegian bloke did them in last years semi as we build up to this match. All his press conferences will be dominated by the same theme, and love him or loathe him he'll be ratcheting up the pressure on the officials to think twice before awarding penalties and free kicks against Inter.

Sportsmanlike? Not really. Effective? Definately.

by **ConnO'var** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:18 pm

I may not like him Mick...... but there's no doubting his ability....
His handling of the press and mind games he pursues make Fergie look like a rank amateur at times.

He'll be a success no matter where he goes..... Already proved it in Portugal, England and Italy...... He's gonna want Spain on his CV methinks.... That's why I believe he'll be at Madrid's helm come next season.... could be his undoing though... too much interference from up high at that club.... that's why even with all their resources, they'll struggle to match Barcelona of recent times. No manager there is given free reign. Their biggest mistake was to get rid of Del Bosque.... If they do get Mourinho.... i think Barcelona will be in for a tough time..... but he'll only be there for 2 years max is my best guess.

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:37 pm

ConnO'var wrote:
RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:Congratulations to Mourinho, he subdued and stifled the opposing team, and totally out thought Guardiola with regards to the midfield battle ,Barcelona were simply not allowed any freedom to impose their superior passing on the game without the intervention of a Milan boot ,Mourinho got his tactics spot on last night ,Barcelona simply could not handle the direct play from Mourinho's men and for that I applaud the fella ,......... but must he bring the spotlight firmly down on his self revering head by his comments after the match, ffs let the result speak for its self it was a brilliant result and his game plan was precise ,so why risk the chance of firing up Barcelona to the point of playing the game of their lives in the return leg ,sometimes these interviews he conducts seriously take something away from the team ,who were superb last night

I know what you mean mate......

But I think theres a method to his madness..... Takes the spotlight and hence pressure off of his own players.... leaving them able to concentrate fully on the task.

He is also smart enough to actually talk up the Barcelona team and players. If you read the articles, (sensationalist headlines apart) he actually praises their team and players' ability.... effectively offering a sop to wounded pride which in turn has the potential to dampen the ardour of their players in terms of a response in the return fixture.

His condemnation of their players in terms of their behaviour to the officials was also a carefully thought out strategy..... This will put the officials on high alert to any Barcelona protests on the day to prevent him being "right" so to speak should they allow themselves to be swayed too much... They'll want to prove him wrong... especially after the way Barcelona was handed a free pass in last seasons corresponding fixture against Chelsea. Either way, he wins.

He's no idiot is Mourinho. Still a grade "A" cunt though.... but no taking away his ability and brains though.

I know mate ,and I can see how the points you have mentioned could transpire ,but it could also seriously blow up unceremoniously in his smug little face ,Barcelona have the capabilities to totally dominate the return leg ,surely it would have been more sensible to not antagonise the opponents who possibly have the best player on the planet ,I know Mourinho is a creature of habit and every press conference is the same ,but I seriously hope on this occasion the tired old format he trots out after every game becomes the proverbial stick to beat him senseless with .

I mean what is this fixation with the state of the pitch watered or not

Listen I know Mourinho is no dolt, but where his methodology falls down is assuming everyone else is ,I mean surely he must have learned after the games with Liverpool that whilst arrogance can provide a platform for victory , it can also end with you counting the cost if it culminates in a costly defeat .

It is this aspect of Mourinho's management that leaves me with the most reservations ,it would only be a matter of time before his arrogance would lead him to say something the fans would never forgive him for ,and I am not talking about a solitary finger to his lips .

I think Mourinho is a brilliant manager ,that much is not in doubt and its true he is a passionate character ,but like I said before I would never advocate such a person given his innate ability for controversy taking the management position at Liverpool ,and Tuesday nights post match rant just confirms my belief

by **Greavesie** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:52 pm

I think Mourinho is a brilliant manager ,that much is not in doubt and its true he is passionate character ,but like I said before I would never advocate such a person given his innate ability for controversy taking the management position at Liverpool ,and Tuesday nights post match rant just confirms my belief

no such thing as being gracious in defeat for Maureen is there

I saw that rant and didn't really see why he had to go off on one about them, he won the match, just enjoy it

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:58 pm

Greavesie wrote:
I think Mourinho is a brilliant manager ,that much is not in doubt and its true he is passionate character ,but like I said before I would never advocate such a person given his innate ability for controversy taking the management position at Liverpool ,and Tuesday nights post match rant just confirms my belief

no such thing as being gracious in defeat for Maureen is there

I saw that rant and didn't really see why he had to go off on one about them, he won the match, just enjoy it

Exactly mate ,so its not just me scratching my head at his post match antics

by **LFC2007** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 5:18 pm

I wonder, how do we know when his "mind games" have worked? What is said when he tries his "mind games" by trying to "put pressure" on referees when his team goes on to drop 10 points and go behind in the title race? Is it still "clever"?

I think it's way overplayed. The assumption is that his comments sub-conciously influence the performance of his opponents and the officials in some significant way. For that to be the case, officials and opponents have to be aware of and have to attach some real significance to his comments, otherwise it will not have a bearing (or a significant bearing) on their behaviour. Teams, officials - highly trained professionals - work to their own plan, and have internal expectations to deal with and on that basis, I'm not convinced the comments of a man who is known for a moan and a groan are going to have that much of a bearing, if at all. Some of his more disrespectful comments could just as well work against him by spurring his opponents on and the ref's to give less favourable decisions - as has arguably been the case in his serie 'a' career.

Bottom line: At best, it makes up a very small part of the psychological aspect of management, most of which comprises the motivating of his own team.

by **bigmick** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:22 am

So Inter play a day early (Saturday) and go 1-0 down after 5 minutes. They come storming back and win 3-1, putting the pressure back on Ranieri and Roma. Roma have a difficult/tricky Home game the following day against Sampdoria.

Roma go ahead early through Totti, but two second half goals given Sampdoria a shock 2-1 win. Inter back to the top of the table.

Some managers find a way to win, some don't.

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:53 pm

It would however make a slight difference given Inters opponents where third from bottom ,and completely hapless in a footballing sense ,as opposed to Roma playing fourth placed Sampdoria who have proven this season to be formidable opposition

by **bigmick** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:21 pm

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:It would however make a slight difference given Inters opponents where third from bottom ,and completely hapless in a footballing sense ,as opposed to Roma playing fourth placed Sampdoria who have proven this season to be formidable opposition

No question Roma had the harder game Red, most of the pundits were saying that if they got through that one the title was as good as theirs. My point was really that whereas some managers have a habit of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, some do it the other way around.

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:48 pm

bigmick wrote:
RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:It would however make a slight difference given Inters opponents where third from bottom ,and completely hapless in a footballing sense ,as opposed to Roma playing fourth placed Sampdoria who have proven this season to be formidable opposition

No question Roma had the harder game Red, most of the pundits were saying that if they got through that one the title was as good as theirs. My point was really that whereas some managers have a habit of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, some do it the other way around.

I know Mick but you go to great lengths explaining that this thread is about Mourinho and his coaching abilities ,whether that be in a man management capacity or in a tactical sense ,..........so I fail to see how incorporating veiled digs at Benitez adds to the discussion
I might be wrong but there is enough threads comparing the two managers and not necessarily in a good light ,for this one to fall into the same trap
Anyway back on topic ....I think Lazio will provide a much sterner test than Atlanta,so with three games left lets see what evolves mate ,personally I think Inter will win it because they are simply the best team in their league

by **ironman** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:10 pm

for goodness sake. what more does he have to prove?

?? he s won the champions league with a micky mouse european team.. porto... name me one single manager who could of done that??? if we want a winning mentality back at our club.. and by the way.. how much passion does he show on the sidelines??? our club is officially DEAD..... and if were happy with what isnow.. ie.. 7th in premiership.. knoked out of FA cup quite deservidly so may i add by Reading. weakenede tyeam against a struggling Arsenal at the time.. ps .. there kids.. Europa Cup.. ffs what a micky mouse cup.... OURINHO is the only man who can save us... knowing he wants to get out of Inter, why arnt we on the ball??? he has said he never experienced a crowd like ours and has been very complementry about our tradition....and passion.... ffs please please.. make the move now.. OR.. hel go to Man City, and do another CHEALSEA... fact...

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:31 am

Our club is officially DEAD ?"?!?! what f.ucking utter nonsense you spout on a regular basis. Thats the only bit i got from that post as the rest of it is child like writing and couldnt understand a word of it .

by **tubby** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:43 pm

by **zarababe** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:28 am

ironman wrote:for goodness sake. what more does he have to prove? ?? he s won the champions league with a micky mouse european team.. porto... name me one single manager who could of done that??? if we want a winning mentality back at our club.. and by the way.. how much passion does he show on the sidelines??? our club is officially DEAD..... and if were happy with what isnow.. ie.. 7th in premiership.. knoked out of FA cup quite deservidly so may i add by Reading. weakenede tyeam against a struggling Arsenal at the time.. ps .. there kids.. Europa Cup.. ffs what a micky mouse cup.... OURINHO is the only man who can save us... knowing he wants to get out of Inter, why arnt we on the ball??? he has said he never experienced a crowd like ours and has been very complementry about our tradition....and passion.... ffs please please.. make the move now.. OR.. hel go to Man City, and do another CHEALSEA... fact...

for an iron man - you talk a lot of hot air :no

must be a bitter or manc - mind you this site does tend to sound more like a bitters/mancs site now-a-days :no

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