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by **Sir Roger** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 3:43 pm

maguskwt wrote:
Sir Roger wrote:I seem to remember him needing this operation earlier in the season but Rafa not letting him get it?
Now he HAS to get it and it means hes not playing in our last games. Whos fault is it really?

but that's just what you seem to remember...

So Im wrong?

by **maguskwt** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 3:53 pm

Sir Roger wrote:
maguskwt wrote:
Sir Roger wrote:I seem to remember him needing this operation earlier in the season but Rafa not letting him get it?
Now he HAS to get it and it means hes not playing in our last games. Whos fault is it really?

but that's just what you seem to remember...

So Im wrong?

how can it be earlier in the season if the injury was sustained against Benfica? :suspect:

over-eagerness to blame all things on Rafa eh?

by **LFC2007** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:20 pm

Sir Roger wrote:
maguskwt wrote:
Sir Roger wrote:I seem to remember him needing this operation earlier in the season but Rafa not letting him get it?
Now he HAS to get it and it means hes not playing in our last games. Whos fault is it really?

but that's just what you seem to remember...

So Im wrong?

Yes. Very wrong

The surgery he could have had but didn't related to his groin injury (hernia). That was just before Christmas and instead of an op he underwent a few weeks' rehabilitation.

Then in January in the game against Reading he tore the cartilage his right knee and had surgery on it.

And finally against Benfica he tore his cartilage again in the same knee and had surgery on it again.

by **Emerald Red** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:27 pm

LFC2007 wrote:
Sir Roger wrote:
maguskwt wrote:
Sir Roger wrote:I seem to remember him needing this operation earlier in the season but Rafa not letting him get it?
Now he HAS to get it and it means hes not playing in our last games. Whos fault is it really?

but that's just what you seem to remember...

So Im wrong?

Yes. Very wrong

The surgery he could have had but didn't related to his groin injury (hernia). That was just before Christmas and instead of an op he underwent a few weeks' rehabilitation.

Then in January in the game against Reading he tore the cartilage his right knee and had surgery on it.

And finally against Benfica he tore his cartilage again in the same knee and had surgery on it again.

Was it the second leg at Anfeild? I remember him jumping for a high ball a few minutes into the game and was limping afterwards. I do recall me saying something about him not looking right before he scored his goals.

by **LFC2007** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:31 pm

Emerald Red wrote:Was it the second leg at Anfeild? I remember him jumping for a high ball a few minutes into the game and was limping afterwards. I do recall me saying something about him not looking right before he scored his goals.

It was and he didn't look right to me either. Amazing considering the two he put away.

by **bigmick** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:43 pm

It's not Rafa's fault for playing Torres (lets be honest he's had little choice), nor do I think the failure to sign adequate back-up has a massive effect on Torres getting injured. Torres would play most games regardless of who the back up was, and the nature of him as an athlete means he will always get his fair share of injuries. It's just one of those things I'm afraid.

Having decent back up for the occasions he does get injured however, that's another matter obviously.

by **stapo1000** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:58 pm

hope this doesn't mean fernando's played his last game for the club

by **Emerald Red** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:16 pm

LFC2007 wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:Was it the second leg at Anfeild? I remember him jumping for a high ball a few minutes into the game and was limping afterwards. I do recall me saying something about him not looking right before he scored his goals.

It was and he didn't look right to me either. Amazing considering the two he put away.

I was actually calling for him to be taken off. Some people would have made some embarrassing comments in hindsight if that had happened. Perosnally, though, I did feel that Torres sustained the injury, or at least lent to the reoccurance during the first game where he was kicked stupid. After that he wasn't right, and when he was subbed during the Birmignham game, he had the pack of ice over the knee. He definitely was carrying a knock from that first leg IMO.

by **red_guy** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:19 pm

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Liverpool legend Robbie Fowler has urged Rafael Benítez to prioritise signing a top class striker this summer, blaming the inabilty of the club's current forwards to 'step up' in the absence of Fernando Torres as one of the reasons behind the club's disappointing Premier League campaign.

Benitez’s plans were rocked this weekend by news that Torres’ persistent knee injury will keep him out for the rest of the season, and the former Atletico Madrid front-man now faces a race against time to be fit in time to spearhead Spain’s attack at the World Cup in South Africa this summer.

And Fowler, whose 183 goals place him fifth in the all-time top Liverpool goalscorers’ list and earned him the nickname ‘God’ at Anfield, told Goal.com UK that the Reds’ over-reliance on the 26-year-old must be addressed by manager Rafael Benitez in the summer.

"Well of course I think they need a striker this summer to cover for Fernando, that’s pretty obvious," he said, "When he plays, then what a player he is. But when he hasn't played they have struggled.

"Torres is a fantastic player. Any team would miss a player like him, and of course it is disappointing that he hasn’t played as many games as he would have liked.

"But when he isn’t there, other players must step in and fill the void, and this season that perhaps hasn’t been the case. No disrespect to the players who have come in, but they are massive shoes to fill."

Whether Benitez is given funds to strengthen Liverpool’s squad this summer is still subject to debate of course. Last week’s announcement that American co-owners George Gillett and Tom Hicks have officially put the club up for sale has clarified the situation somewhat, and whilst Fowler refuses to be drawn on the ins and outs at Anfield, he stresses that any development must be in the best interests of the club.

"The ownership issue is a touchy subject," he said, “And without wishing to sound like I am sitting on the fence too much, it is something that I would rather stay away from.

"All I can say is that as a Liverpool fan, I want whatever is best for the club, and if that is for the club to be sold and for new owners to come in then so be it."

Terrace hero | Fowler remains a legend at Anfield

On the pitch, Liverpool have more immediate concerns of course. Volcanic ash clouds permitting, Thursday should see them face Atletico Madrid in the semi-finals of the Europa League, and Fowler, who was part of the side which won the 2001 UEFA Cup under Gerard Houllier, believes the Reds should be excited about the prospect of another European trophy, and should not underestimate the competition’s significance.

"Whatever tournament you are in, as a player you just want to win trophies," he said "Liverpool are out of the FA Cup, they can’t win the Premier League and can’t win the Champions League, and so the next trophy is the Europa League. So they must concentrate on that.

"It is a great competition to win, and as I say a trophy is a trophy – especially a European one.

"I won the UEFA Cup in 2001, and it was a massive occasion. Liverpool are a European team, and so to win a European trophy is great for the club.

"Of course Liverpool want to win the Champions League, but beneath that is the Europa League, and it is still a strong trophy. You get teams in it who have dropped out of the Champions League – like Liverpool –and it is not an easy trophy to win. But Liverpool have a great chance to win it this time."

Fowler’s own future is currently uncertain, mirroring that of his former club. His contract with Australian A-League outfit North Queensland Fury is unlikely to be renewed, given the club’s financial problems. Reports have recently linked him with a switch to Sydney FC, but does the 36-year-old feel he could still score goals at Liverpool?

"I’ve had my time at Liverpool, and I loved my time there,” he says with a smile, "Yes, being honest, I probably do deep down think that I could still do a job and could still play, but I loved my time at the club.

"Show me any ex-player who wouldn’t want to still be playing for Liverpool, and I’ll show you a liar!"

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by **shawnk** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:29 pm

Been a pleasure watching him scoring this season again and one of the few best things coming from Liverpool amid this lousy season (and the none CL season to come). Hope he's still be around to entertain and banging in goals for us. Deserve to get some rest and hope he has a good one in the World Cup.

Anyway, Torres getting injured is certainly not Rafa's fault. Serious.

by **tonyeh** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:25 am

Benitez’s plans were rocked this weekend by news that Torres’ persistent knee injury will keep him out for the rest of the season...

How could it be a "persistent knee injury" if it only happened in teh Benfica game?

by **Benny The Noon** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:34 pm

tonyeh wrote:
Benitez’s plans were rocked this weekend by news that Torres’ persistent knee injury will keep him out for the rest of the season...

How could it be a "persistent knee injury" if it only happened in teh Benfica game?

ecause it had previously happened hence his surgery in jan :Oo:

by **Emerald Red** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:13 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
tonyeh wrote:
Benitez’s plans were rocked this weekend by news that Torres’ persistent knee injury will keep him out for the rest of the season...

How could it be a "persistent knee injury" if it only happened in teh Benfica game?

ecause it had previously happened hence his surgery in jan

I thought that surgery had more to do with a hernia problem than his knee, and like I've said, I do believe the injury happened during the first leg of the Benifica game, or possibly before it. It's obviously a niggling issue and not a very serious one that allowed him to play games, albeit at some discomfort to the player. You can strain a groin, yet continue to play football on it, or twist an ankle and do likewise. I know this because I've done both and been fine. If the problem persists, then it's obviously up to the player and the medical staff to decide whether or not he wants to get rid of it by having an operation. Fergie did the same with Rooney by stating that he wasn't injured after going over on his ankle, yet he obviously felt he could still play after a game out.

by **tonyeh** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 6:07 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
tonyeh wrote:
Benitez’s plans were rocked this weekend by news that Torres’ persistent knee injury will keep him out for the rest of the season...

How could it be a "persistent knee injury" if it only happened in teh Benfica game?

ecause it had previously happened hence his surgery in jan

Yes, but it was stated a couple of days ago that the injury only happened at the benfica game.

by **Benny The Noon** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:30 pm

His initial problem was his groin and they decided to manage it with physio but he then did his knee in and had his first op in jan and this latest op is on the same knee but a different op .

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