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by **Tim LFC** » Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:48 pm

Don't thank me, thank Phil M from RAWK! I thought people would be interested in the stats as it would outline where we have fallen short.

Liverpool 2009/10 Premier League Season to Date:

P34 W16 D8 L10 F54 A33 Pts: 56

Liverpool v

Spurs : Reina, Carra, Skrtel, Insua, Johnson, Masch, Lucas, Gerrard, Babel, Kuyt, Torres
Sub in: Yossi for Babel, Ayala for Skrtel, Voronin for Kuyt

Stoke: Reina, Carra, Ayala, Insua, Johnson, Masch, Lucas, Gerrard, Benayoun, Kuyt, Torres
Sub: Voro for Gerrard, Riera for Kuyt, Ngog for Torres
Changes: (from previous game) : 2 - Ayala for Skrtel, Yossi for Babel

Villa: Reina, Carra, Skrtel, Insua, Johnson, Masch, Lucas, Gerrard, Yossi, Kuyt, Torres
Subs: Voronin for Lucas, Babel for Benayoun
Changes: 1 – Skrtel for Ayala

Bolton: Reina, Carra, Kyrgiakos, Johnson, Insua, Masch, Lucas, Gerrard, Riera, Kuyt, Torres
Subs: Yossi for Riera, Voronin for Masch, Dossena for Kuyt
Changes: 2 - Kyrgiakos for Skrtel, Riera for Yossi

Burnley: Reina, Carra, Skrtel, Johnson, Insua, Yossi, Lucas, Gerrard, Riera, Kuyt, Torres
Subs: Degen for Johnson, Vornonin for Kuyt, Ngog for Torres
Changes: 2 - Skrtel for Kyrgiakos, Yossi for Mascherano

West Ham: Reina, Carra, Skrtel, Johnson, Insua, Masch, Lucas, Gerrard, Yossi, Kuyt, Torres
Subs: Babel for Kuyt, Aurelio for Yossi, Riera for Torres
Changes: 2 - Mascherano, Riera

Hull: Reina, Carra, Skrtel, Johnson, Insua, Yossi, Lucas, Gerrard, Riera, Kuyt, Torres
Subs: Babel for Torres, Mascherano for Gerrard, Voronin for Yossi
Changes: 1 - Riera in - Masch out

Chelsea: Reina, Carra, Skrtel, Johnson, Insua, Masch, Lucas, Gerrard, Riera, Kuyt, Torres
Subs: Yossi for Riera, Babel for Lucas, Aurelio for Lucas
Changes: 1 – Masch in, Yossi out

Sunderland: Reina, Carra, Agger, Skrtel, Johnson, Aurelio, Spearing, Lucas, Yossi, Babel, Kuyt
Subs: Masch for Spearing, Voronin for Skrtel, Ngog for Babel
Changes: 5 – Agger, Spearing, Aurelio, Babel, Yossi in – Insua, Mascherano, Gerrard, Riera and Torres out

Man U: Reina, Carra, Agger, Johnson, Insua, Masch, Lucas, Aurelio, Yossi, Kuyt, Torres
Subs: Ngog for Torres, Skrtel for Benayoun
Changes: 3 – Insua, Mascherano, Torres in – Skrtel, Spearing, Babel out

Fulham: Reina, Carra, Kyrgiakos, Degen, Insua, Masch, Lucas, Voronin, Yossi, Kuyt, Torres
Subs: Babel for Torres, Eccleston for Yossi, Ayala for Kuyt
Changes: 3 – Degen, Kyrgiakos, Voronin in - Agger, Johnson, Aurelio out

Birmingham: Reina, Skrtel, Agger, Johnson, Insua, Masch, Lucas, Riera, Yossi, Kuyt, Ngog
Subs: Gerrard for Riera, Babel for Yossi, Aquilani for Lucas
Changes: 5 – Agger, Skrtel, Johnson, Riera, Ngog in – Carra, Kyrgiakos, Degen, Voronin, Torres out

Man City: Reina, Carra, Agger, Skrtel, Insua, Masch, Lucas, Gerrard, Babel, Kuyt, Ngog
Subs: Kyrgiakos for Agger, Yossi for Babel, Aurelio for Benayoun
Changes: 3 – Carra, Gerrard, Babel in – Johnson, Riera, Yossi out

Everton: Reina, Carra, Agger, Johnson, Aurelio, Insua, Masch, Lucas, Gerrard, Kuyt, Ngog
Subs: Yossi for Ngog, Riera for Aurelio
Changes: 2 – Johnson, Aurelio in – Skrtel, Babel out

Blackburn: Reina, Carra, Agger, Johnson, Insua, Masch, Lucas, Gerrard, Riera, Yossi, Kuyt,
Subs: Ngog for Riera, El Zhar for Yossi
Changes: 2 - Riera, Yossi in – Aurelio, Ngog out

Arsenal: Reina, Carra, Agger, Johnson. Aurelio, Masch, Lucas, Gerrard, Yossi, Kuyt, Torres
Subs: Aquilani for Masch, Ngog for Yossi, Degen for Johnson
Changes: 2 - Aurelio, Torres in – Insua, Riera, out

Wigan: Reina, Carra, Skrtel, Insua, Agger, Aurelio, Masch,Gerrard, Yossi, Kuyt, Ngog
Subs: Lucas for Aurelio, Torres for Ngog, Aquilano for Yossi
Changes: 3 – Insua, Skrtel, Ngog in – Johnson, Lucas, Torres out

Portsmouth: Reina, Carra, Johnson, Insua, Agger, Dossena, Masch, Lucas, Gerrard, Kuyt, Torres
Subs: Yossi for Dossena, Aurelio for Insua, Spearing for Lucas
Changes: 4 – Johnson, Dossena, Lucas, Torres in – Skrtel, Aurelio,Yossi, Ngog out

Wolves: Reina, Carra, Johnson, Insua, Agger, Aurelio, Lucas, Gerrard, Yossi, Aquilani, Torres
Subs: Kuyt for Aurelio, Pacheco for Aquilani, Spearing for Yossi
Changes: 3 – Aurelio, Aquilani, Yossi, in – Mascherano, Dossena, Kuyt out

Aston Villa: Reina, Carra, Johnson, Insua, Agger, Lucas, Gerrard, Yossi, Aquilani, Kuyt, Torres
Subs: Babel for Aquilani, Skrtel for Johnson, Aurelio for Yossi
Changes: 1 – Kuyt in - Aurelio out

Stoke: Reina, Carra, Degen, Insua, Skrtel, Kyrgiakos, Masch, Lucas, Yossi, Kuyt, Ngog
Subs: Maxi for Degen, Aquilani for Ngog
Changes: 5 – Degen, Skrtel, Kyrgiakos, Masch, Ngog in – Johnson, Agger, Gerrard, Aquilani, Torres out

Tottenham: Reina, Degen, Carra, Skrtel, Kyrgiakos, Insua, Masch, Lucas, Aquilani, Riera, Kuyt
Subs: Ngog for Aquilani, Maxi for Riera, Darby for Degen
Changes: 2 – Aquilani, Riera in - Yossi, Ngog out

Wolves: Reina, Carra, Skrtel, Kyrgiakos, Insua, Masch, Lucas, Gerrard, Maxi, Riera, Kuyt
Subs: Ngog for Riera
Changes: 2 - Gerrard, Maxi in – Degen, Aquilani out

Bolton: Reina, Carra, Skrtel, Kyrgiakos, Insua, Masch, Gerrard, Riera,Aquilani, Kuyt, Ngog
Subs: Lucas for Aquilani, Maxi for Riera, Babel for Ngog
Changes: 2 – Aquilani in,Ngog – Lucas, Maxi out

Everton: Reina, Carra, Agger, Kyrgiakos, Insua, Masch, Lucas, Gerrard, Maxi, Kuyt, Ngog
Subs: Babel for Ngog, Aurelio for Maxi, Skrtel for Kuyt
Changes: 3 - Agger, Lucas, Maxi in - Skrtel, Aquilani, Riera out

Arsenal: Reina, Carra, Agger, Skrtel, Insua, Masch, Lucas, Gerrard, Maxi, Kuyt, Ngog
Subs: Degen for Carra, Babel for Lucas
Changes: 1 - Skrtel in - Kyrgiakos out

Man City: Reina, Carra, Agger, Skrtel, Insua, Masch, Lucas, Gerrard, Maxi, Babel, Kuyt
Subs: Yossi for Maxi, Torres for Babel, Aquilani for Kuyt
Changes: 1 – Babel in – Ngog out

Blackburn: Reina, Carra, Agger, Aurelio, Masch, Lucas, Gerrard, Maxi, Yossi, Kuyt, Torres
Subs: Insua for Aurelio, Babel for Yossi, Ngog for Torres
Changes: 3 – Aurelio, Yossi, Torres in - Skrtel, Insua, Babel out

Wigan: Reina, Carra, Kyrgiakos, Insua, Masch, Lucas, Gerrard, Maxi, Yossi, Kuyt, Torres
Subs: Johnson for Lucas, Aquilani for Yossi, Babel for Kuyt
Changes: 2 – Insua, Kyrgiakos in - Agger, Aurelio out

Portsmouth: Reina, Carra, Agger, Johnson, Insua, Masch, Gerrard, Babel, Aquilani, Maxi, Torres
Subs: Kelly for Johnson, Yossi for Gerrard, Ngog for Torres
Changes: 4 - Agger, Johnson, Babel, Aquilani in – Kyrgiakos, Yossi, Lucas, Kuyt

Man U: Reina, Carra, Agger, Johnson, Insua, Masch, Lucas, Gerrard, Kuyt, Maxi, Torres
Subs: Aquilani for Kuyt, Babel for Maxi, Yossi for Lucas
Changes: 2 – Lucas, Kuyt in – Babel, Aquilani out

Sunderland: Reina, Carra, Agger, Johnson, Insua, Masch, Gerrard, Babel, Kuyt, Maxi, Torres
Subs: Aquilani for Kuyt, Ngog for Torres, El Zhar for Torres
Changes: 1 – Babel in - Lucas out

Birmingham: Reina, Carra, Kyrgiakos, Johnson, Insua, Yossi, Gerrard, Lucas, Maxi, Kuyt, Torres
Subs: Ngog for Torres, Babel for Yossi, Aquilani for Kuyt
Changes: 3 – Kyrgiakos, Yossi, Lucas in – Agger, Masch, Aquilani out

Fulham: Reina, Carra, Agger, Kyrgiakos,Johnson, Masch, Gerrard, Babel, Aquilani, Maxi, Ngog
Subs: Kuyt for Aquilani, Yossi for Babel, Pacheco for Ngog
Changes: 4 – Babel, Masch, Aquilani, Ngog, - Insua,Lucas, Kuyt, Torres out
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APPEARANCES:

STARTING XI: (No. of appearance as a sub in brackets)

REINA – 34

CARRA -33
INSUA – 31 (1)
JOHNSON – 22 (1)
AGGER - 19
SKRTEL – 16 (5)
KYRGIAKOS – 10 (1)
AURELIO – 7 (7)
DEGEN – 3 (3)
AYALA – 1 (2)
DOSSENA – 1 (1)
DARBY – 0 (1)
KELLY – 0 (1)

KUYT – 33 (1)
LUCAS – 31 (2)
MASCHERANO – 28 (2)
GERRARD – 29 (1)
BENAYOUN – 18 (11)
MAXI – 11 (3)
RIERA – 8 (4)
BABEL – 7 (14)
AQUILANI - 6 (9)
SPEARING – 1 (2)
EL ZHAR – 0 (2)
ECCLESTON 0 - (1)

TORRES – 20 (2)
NGOG – 9 (12)
PACHECO 0 (2)
VORONIN – 0 (8)

Goals:

Fernando Torres 18
Dirk Kuyt 9
Steven Gerrard 7
Yossi Benayoun 5
David Ngog 4
Ryan Babel 3
Glen Johnson 3
Alberto Aquilani 1
Sotiros Kyrgiakos 1
Martin Skrtel 1

ASSISTS:

Gerrard 6
Benayoun 5
Insua 5
Johnson 5
Kuyt 4
Riera 4
Torres 3
Ngog 3
Aurelio 3
Aquilani 3
Maxi 2
Babel 1
Lucas 1
Mascherano 1
Reina 1

inutes Played:

Pepe Reina - 3060
Jamie Carragher – 2924
Emiliano Insua – 2722
Glen Johnson – 1957
Daniel Agger - 1630
Martin Skrtel - 1409
Sotiros Kyrgiakos - 923
Fabio Aurelio – 653
Philippe Degen – 317
Daniel Ayala - 112
Martin Kelly - 21

Dirk Kuyt - 2687
Lucas Leiva - 2558
Steven Gerrard – 2510
Javier Mascherano – 2467
Yossi Benayoun – 1641
Maxi Rodriguez – 987
Ryan Babel – 732
Albert Riera – 645
Alberto Aquilani – 579
Nabil El Zhar – 29

Fernando Torres – 1705
David Ngog – 900
Dani Pacheco – 19
Nathan Eccleston – 13

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Clean Sheets:

Pepe Reina – 14
Carragher – 14
Insua – 13
Johnson – 10
Agger – 9
Skrtel – 5
Kyrgiakos – 4
Aurelio – 3
Degen – 2
Ayala – 1

Gerrard – 13
Kuyt – 12
Mascherano – 11
Lucas – 11
Benayoun – 7
Maxi – 5
Aquilani - 5
Riera – 4
Babel – 3

Torres – 7
Ngog – 6

Red Cards:

2 – Mascherano
1 – Carra, Degen, Kyrgiakos

Yellows:
9 – Lucas
8 – Mascherano
7 - Carragher
5 – Gerrard, Skrtel, Torres
3 – Kuyt
2 – Reina,
1 – Ngog, Babel, Benayoun, Maxi, Johnson, Aurelio, Kyrgiakos, Insua, Degen,

Goal minutes:

Goals from 1-15: 11
Goals from 16-30: 9
Goals from 31-45: 17
Goals from 46-60: 11
Goals from 61-75: 10
Goals from 76-90: 17
Goals from 91-120: 0

Average attendance at home - League: 43,107

Average goals per game - League: 1.59

Player debuts
Glen Johnson against Tottenham Hotspur on 16.08.2009
Daniel Ayala against Tottenham Hotspur on 16.08.2009
Sotirios Kyrgiakos against Bolton Wanderers on 29.08.2009
Alberto Aquilani against Arsenal on 28.10.2009
Nathan Eccleston against Arsenal on 28.10.2009
Dani Pacheco against Fiorentina on 09.12.2009
Maxi Rodriguez against Stoke City on 16.01.2010

by **Leonmc0708** » Thu Apr 15, 2010 4:26 pm

What a lovely story !

Sorry I dont see what your point is?

by **Ben Patrick** » Thu Apr 15, 2010 4:28 pm

Leonmc0708 wrote:What a lovely story !

Sorry I dont see what your point is?

I was also scratching my head.

I expected some sort of explanation at the end, but nothing ?

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Apr 15, 2010 4:37 pm

Personally I think this is where we have fallen short ..... Pts: 56

by **Tim LFC** » Thu Apr 15, 2010 6:00 pm

Sorry about the late reply! But on this evidence it shows that we need Aquilani playing more or Lucas to attack more. Our midfield duo have only be able to produce 2 assists between them, which is pretty shocking when Insua has 4 and gets criticised a lot. What's even more of a worry is how Torres is our only player to hit double figures! Far too many of our players have underperformed especially Gerrard. For our last games we need to have attacking impetus. Let Aquilani and Babel play more. Try and Lucas and Aquilani and see is Lucas attacks more. Bed in Pacheco as well as he looks really good.

by **The Good Yank** » Thu Apr 15, 2010 6:08 pm

Tim LFC wrote:Bed in Pacheco as well as he looks really good.

What kind of Forum do you think this is?

by **PabloAimar** » Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:22 pm

it also shows that for the amount of time kuyt spends on the pitch, he doesn't contribute enough. but of course, his lovers and the rest of rafa's love children here mesmerized by his pace, skill, intelligence and natural footballing ability will disagree.
p.s. compare kuyt and babel's goal and assist efficiency and tell me why kuyt is always the third name on the team sheet after lucas and insua while babel has to sit through being frozen out. is it coz i is black? :blues:

by **Leonmc0708** » Fri Apr 16, 2010 10:41 am

PabloAimar wrote:it also shows that for the amount of time kuyt spends on the pitch, he doesn't contribute enough. but of course, his lovers and the rest of rafa's love children here mesmerized by his pace, skill, intelligence and natural footballing ability will disagree.
p.s. compare kuyt and babel's goal and assist efficiency and tell me why kuyt is always the third name on the team sheet after lucas and insua while babel has to sit through being frozen out. is it coz i is black?

I have never read any of the forums I frequent and seen the words skill or natural footballing ability mentioned in the same sentence as Dirk Kuyt.

He is not pretty to watch, he is not blessed with skill and he id defintely anything but natural.

He is however hard working, a huge team player and an outstandingly honest and genuine perormer.

In the current climate of prima donna spoilt lazy footballers he is a breath of footballing fresh air.

For a right midfielder (predominently with a handful of games up front covering for Torres) double figures and 5/6 assists for the season is an excellent return wether you think he looks like sloth off the goonies or not.

Take a look at a decent example in our squad of the opposite. Babel, with tons more skill and bags more potential and natural ability - tries no where near as much as Kuyt and is a waste of space at times. I know which I would rather have.

Dutch managers for the last four or five seasons also cant be that far off the mark with the kid.

by **stmichael** » Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:58 pm

Leonmc0708 wrote:I have never read any of the forums I frequent and seen the words skill or natural footballing ability mentioned in the same sentence as Dirk Kuyt.

He is not pretty to watch, he is not blessed with skill and he id defintely anything but natural.

He is however hard working, a huge team player and an outstandingly honest and genuine perormer.

In the current climate of prima donna spoilt lazy footballers he is a breath of footballing fresh air.

For a right midfielder (predominently with a handful of games up front covering for Torres) double figures and 5/6 assists for the season is an excellent return wether you think he looks like sloth off the goonies or not.

Take a look at a decent example in our squad of the opposite. Babel, with tons more skill and bags more potential and natural ability - tries no where near as much as Kuyt and is a waste of space at times. I know which I would rather have.

Dutch managers for the last four or five seasons also cant be that far off the mark with the kid.

Word.

by **Ciggy** » Fri Apr 16, 2010 1:01 pm

Leonmc0708 wrote:Sorry I dont see what your point is?

Me neither what a load of sh!te.

by **Owzat** » Fri Apr 16, 2010 1:12 pm

Leonmc0708 wrote:
PabloAimar wrote:it also shows that for the amount of time kuyt spends on the pitch, he doesn't contribute enough. but of course, his lovers and the rest of rafa's love children here mesmerized by his pace, skill, intelligence and natural footballing ability will disagree.
p.s. compare kuyt and babel's goal and assist efficiency and tell me why kuyt is always the third name on the team sheet after lucas and insua while babel has to sit through being frozen out. is it coz i is black?

I have never read any of the forums I frequent and seen the words skill or natural footballing ability mentioned in the same sentence as Dirk Kuyt.

He is not pretty to watch, he is not blessed with skill and he id defintely anything but natural.

He is however hard working, a huge team player and an outstandingly honest and genuine perormer.

In the current climate of prima donna spoilt lazy footballers he is a breath of footballing fresh air.

For a right midfielder (predominently with a handful of games up front covering for Torres) double figures and 5/6 assists for the season is an excellent return wether you think he looks like sloth off the goonies or not.

Take a look at a decent example in our squad of the opposite. Babel, with tons more skill and bags more potential and natural ability - tries no where near as much as Kuyt and is a waste of space at times. I know which I would rather have.

Dutch managers for the last four or five seasons also cant be that far off the mark with the kid.

I can understand to a degree the lambasting of Lucas for his shortcomings, but why quite so much venom is aimed at Kuyt I will never know. Worse players than him, past and present get less criticism

by **PabloAimar** » Fri Apr 16, 2010 8:12 pm

Leonmc0708 wrote:Take a look at a decent example in our squad of the opposite. Babel, with tons more skill and bags more potential and natural ability - tries no where near as much as Kuyt and is a waste of space at times. I know which I would rather have.

i'd rather play the one who puts in half the effort but scores a goal every 2.3 starts and and lands an assist every 7 starts.

fair play if you prefer the one who runs around like a headless chicken, scores a goal every 3.7 starts and lands an assist every 8.25 starts.

...look, each to their own - Kuyt has his positives but i don't agree that a liverpool team should be picked based on how hard a player works - this isn't sunday league football.

anyway, who cares - it's a great day

by **Reg** » Fri Apr 16, 2010 8:30 pm

Stats are just that, stats. They dont tell the full story - bad refs, beachballs, sendings off that change the flow of a game, injuries that forced a change on a winning side etc...

Someones done a lot of work there, but...........

by **Owzat** » Fri Apr 16, 2010 8:43 pm

Reg wrote:Stats are just that, stats. They dont tell the full story - bad refs, beachballs, sendings off that change the flow of a game, injuries that forced a change on a winning side etc...

Someones done a lot of work there, but...........

Applies equally to us last season.....................

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