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Postby Greavesie » Tue Apr 13, 2010 9:30 pm

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lakes10 wrote:lol no we have not had a paranormal one, as it has happend to other before and there are reasons why it happend and we can identify them.

paranormal means anything that that we can not identify reasons for the event or something that is without a understanding, you may think something is paranormal untill you are told why it happen then its classed as an normal event.

100 killed in car crash is a normal event, not nice but we know why it might have happend.

a strange like in the sky is paranormal untill you are told it was a shooting star....a normal event

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its just means that mate, what ever you would like to class as something you dont understand than to you it could be paranormal.

is what you describe more abnormal than paranormal?
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Postby lakes10 » Tue Apr 13, 2010 9:32 pm

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lakes10 wrote:lol no we have not had a paranormal one, as it has happend to other before and there are reasons why it happend and we can identify them.

paranormal means anything that that we can not identify reasons for the event or something that is without a understanding, you may think something is paranormal untill you are told why it happen then its classed as an normal event.

100 killed in car crash is a normal event, not nice but we know why it might have happend.

a strange like in the sky is paranormal untill you are told it was a shooting star....a normal event

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its just means that mate, what ever you would like to class as something you dont understand than to you it could be paranormal.

yes mate spot on.
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Postby lakes10 » Tue Apr 13, 2010 9:34 pm

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lakes10 wrote:lol no we have not had a paranormal one, as it has happend to other before and there are reasons why it happend and we can identify them.

paranormal means anything that that we can not identify reasons for the event or something that is without a understanding, you may think something is paranormal untill you are told why it happen then its classed as an normal event.

100 killed in car crash is a normal event, not nice but we know why it might have happend.

a strange like in the sky is paranormal untill you are told it was a shooting star....a normal event

Para (Beyond) normal   

its just means that mate, what ever you would like to class as something you dont understand than to you it could be paranormal.

is what you describe more abnormal than paranormal?

abnormal is somthing that should not happen but might have happened before for a reason......its more of a medical word.
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Postby Greavesie » Tue Apr 13, 2010 9:36 pm

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lakes10 wrote:lol no we have not had a paranormal one, as it has happend to other before and there are reasons why it happend and we can identify them.

paranormal means anything that that we can not identify reasons for the event or something that is without a understanding, you may think something is paranormal untill you are told why it happen then its classed as an normal event.

100 killed in car crash is a normal event, not nice but we know why it might have happend.

a strange like in the sky is paranormal untill you are told it was a shooting star....a normal event

Para (Beyond) normal   

its just means that mate, what ever you would like to class as something you dont understand than to you it could be paranormal.

is what you describe more abnormal than paranormal?

abnormal is somthing that should not happen but might have happened before for a reason......its more of a medical word.

in psychology I learnt that abnormal is defined as something that drifts away from a norm - but it CAN be explained. It's not normal to you but not so far from normal that it cannot be explained, behaviour thats not the norm was what I was taught anyway

paranormal's just stuff that cant really be explained using scientific methods, not simply what you do not understand

Beyond normal is quite a loose definition IMO, seems like it could be attached to all kinds of stuff

telepathic killing - I dont understand it but neither does science = paranormal
not queueing in a shop - I dont understand why people do it but it is explainable = abnormal

If we used the 'what you dont understand' definition surely both could be said to be paranormal?
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Postby LFC2007 » Tue Apr 13, 2010 9:44 pm

lakes10 wrote:lol

i seem to find it strange that you dont understand what Paranormal means.

You have an interesting way of thinking.
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Postby andy_g » Tue Apr 13, 2010 10:27 pm

its great to finally see some quality etymological debate on newkit
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Postby lakes10 » Tue Apr 13, 2010 10:28 pm

have any of you looked at the vids i posted up....what did you think they are?


I have 1000 of reports that have been sent to me from all over the world, i can not post many of them but there are some on my site about the locations.
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Postby LFC2007 » Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:09 pm

Greavesie wrote:is what you describe more abnormal than paranormal?

That was Lakes's scholarly definition I borrowed.

In a nutshell, the "paranormal" defines experiences that science cannot currently explain (something that has not been empirically observed cannot be satisfactorily explained). It is self-evident that abnormal social behaviour does not fall into that category because it is observable and able to be understood and so therefore not everything "beyond normal" can be said to be "paranormal". "Normal" is quite a large category you see. It should actually read "...beyond normal experience" not meant to be interpreted in the parochial sense but in the broadest sense possible, that is, to the height of human understanding (i.e. what is possible to be experienced (sensed), not what one typically experiences in his or her life).

Flying saucers, the abominable snowman, clairvoyance, sightings of ghosts, Rafa's magic carpet etc. pertain to the paranormal. Usain Bolt, Halley's comet, Andrey Voronin etc.. are all observable phenomenon that can be explained; they exist.
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Postby lakes10 » Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:14 pm

LFC2007 wrote:, Rafa's magic carpet etc. pertain to the paranormal. Usain Bolt, Halley's comet, Andrey Voronin etc.. are all observable phenomenon that can be explained; they exist.

lol love it


my point being is that untill we undetstood why Halley's comet was there it was seen as paranormal.
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Postby JBG » Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:18 pm

woof woof ! wrote:I must be a Fu*king ghost whisperer 'cause I've definitely seen two and possibly three "ghosts". the most definite sighting was in Calangut India. One evening I was sitting on the back porch of a cottage I was renting when I saw this Indian woman walking towards one of the wells that served the small fishing village my cottage was situated in.

When she got to the well instead of lowering a bucket to draw some water the woman stood up on the small wall that surrounded the well and jumped in ! . Holy f'uck ! I shouted to my mates in the cottage and legged it to the well . A lot of local villagers attracted by the commotion came running and when I explained what I'd seen they re-assured me ( :D  ) that what I'd seen was just the ghost of a girl who promised in marriage to a man she hated had jumped into the well some 20 years earlier. She apparently made an appearance a couple of times a year .

Needless to say I quit sitting on the back porch of my cottage .

Aye, but weren't you smoking serious amounts of ganja in India?  :D
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andy_g wrote:its great to finally see some quality etymological debate on newkit

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Postby LFC2007 » Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:39 pm

lakes10 wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:, Rafa's magic carpet etc. pertain to the paranormal. Usain Bolt, Halley's comet, Andrey Voronin etc.. are all observable phenomenon that can be explained; they exist.

lol love it


my point being is that untill we undetstood why Halley's comet was there it was seen as paranormal.

But the word only became mainstream last century. Halley's comet has been around for a lot longer than that.  :D

You could just say that human understanding is always likely to change over time and that includes (of) the paranormal.

What I'm trying to say is that not everything that is unexplained is paranormal (known unknowns and all that). With the paranormal we do not know what we do not know, that is to say.... :laugh:  :D  :alien:
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Postby lakes10 » Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:40 pm

The report that we was to be looking into on this night had been passed to me by a very reliable source, They had been contacted by a lorry driver from north England. The lorry driver told them that at the start of the year he had a run that meant that he had to stop over in his cab in Grays that night. He had pulled over in The Chase just off London Road in Grays.
As he was getting ready to go to sleep he looked out of his cab to see a ghost of a young lady (15 to 16 years of age) walking in front of his cab and disappearing in front of his eyes. Once he had returned home he felt that he needed to find out more about what he had seen so he contacted Thurrocks local paper to see in they had had any other reports of this kind




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In hot summer of 1990 a teenager was cutting through the golf course at 11pm when he see a lady carrying a light, he reported that the lady seemed to be in a hurry but it was only once she got closer to him that he realised that the lady was wearing a old fashion dress and the light was in fact a lantern, the lady was now only about 10 foot away from him but vanished before she got any closer. What he reported next my seem even stranger, He was now very scared and started to run the rest of the way home but just as he started to run he felt two cold hands on his shoulders, they pulled him back so much that he fell to the floor, as he lay on the floor a blue cold mist passed over him and entered the ground just by his feet, but the teenager said that he now felt very calm and peaceful so much so that he thought that he might have died and now was in heaven.
After a few minuets he got to his feet and walked the rest of the way home to report what he had seen to his parents.

A horse and carriage are also reported to haunt the road leading to the old manor.




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A Woman in white is said to haunt the ruins, A milkmaid from a local farm saw her one morning and was commanded to meet her at the Castle at midnight. However the milkmaid was too frightened to go. The next morning the White Lady met her unexpectedly and was annoyed that she had not appeared the previous night and she hit the girl so hard over the ear that her neck was almost dislocated, after this the girl was know as "Wry-neck-Sal".

In 1980 a young couple camped over night in the remains of the old tower. In the early hours of the morning they awoke to a bright light, at first they thought that it was teenager mucking about in the ruins with a torch, but soon the light faded until all that was left was a small blue orb. The orb moved over the top of their heads, they reported that all their hair was attracted to the orb.
When we look at the second report this can almost for sure be put down to a natural event. Lightning balls have often been reported coming into homes and burning holes in curtains.
I do not know what the weather was like the night the young couple slept there or what time of year but I am guessing that it was in the summer, as a ball of lightening is often reported in the summer.

In 1975 a local man was taking his dog for a late night walk, he had got to the middle of the ruins when the dog refused to move. It did not matter what the man said to the dog or how hard he pulled on its lead, the dog would not move. In the end the man picked his dog up and turned to walk back home, as he did so he saw what he reports to be a ghost of a small boy with blood and dirt on his face standing beside him.
In shock the man dropped his dog, the dog now ran back down the footpath and headed for home. The man stood amazed at the boy, he said he did not seem to know that he was standing next to him and was looking right past him to where the remains of the old kitchen are. The encounter only lasted for about 2 minutes before the boy faded away.
There is one thing that I do find strange about this report. The man later said that the boy was not dressed in old fashioned clothes, in fact he described the boy as wearing clothes from the late fifties or early sixties.
Could the man have seen a ghost of a boy that had met his end here only a few years before?
I cannot find any reports of any such murders or accidents to match that time
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Postby Greavesie » Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:56 pm

I can safely say I've never experienced any sort of this activity ever, nor have I met anyone who professed to, however I enjoy watching stuff like this on the telly. Dont know why cos I do believe there's an explanation for everything

Lakes, you watch X-Files then? :D
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Postby lakes10 » Wed Apr 14, 2010 8:28 am

Greavesie wrote:Lakes, you watch X-Files then? :D

no.


and i dont watch ghosts tv showes anymore since working on them.
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