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Postby red37 » Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:43 pm

"Whats wrong with Serie A Jose?"

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"I dont like it....."


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Postby Reg » Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:23 pm

He dont take no bull.........

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Postby NANNY RED » Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:00 pm

:censored: in a sad coat, .
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Postby account deleted by request » Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:06 pm

Yeah who cares about winning as long as the manager wears a nice fecking coat :D
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Postby tubby » Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:02 pm

He's a top manager, there is no doubt about that. At times I question the class he displays, or perhaps the lack off... but he is just openly passionate.

Nanny I know you are a firm backer of Rafa and I still am too but if City get 4th place you can bet your house they will spend like there is no tomorrow to ensure they don't fall out of it and that will include a top 4 manager.

We need to do everything within our power to get him here imo, assuming we get some investment though.
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Postby Ola Mr Benitez » Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:19 pm

He is perfect for the Liverpool job as with limited funds the next manager is going to have to be an excellent man manager to make our current squad all raise there game by 10%. I really believe our first team is a match for anyone on their day and if they beleived in themselves a bit more could become a real threat in the premiership.

This is what Mourinio is brilliant at, he is the master of hype and motivation, he would make the current squad believe in themselves...

I just don't think he will come as although this club is still one of the biggest clubs in world football, we are owned by a couple of dicks who don't care for anything except the size of their wallets
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Postby NANNY RED » Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:32 pm

bavlondon wrote:He's a top manager, there is no doubt about that. At times I question the class he displays, or perhaps the lack off... but he is just openly passionate.

Nanny I know you are a firm backer of Rafa and I still am too but if City get 4th place you can bet your house they will spend like there is no tomorrow to ensure they don't fall out of it and that will include a top 4 manager.

We need to do everything within our power to get him here imo, assuming we get some investment though.

Bav its not about me Backing Rafa , Not got nothing what so ever to do with it ,seriously i hate him  cant help it mate , him an that f.ucking coat, If he ends up as are manager i still wont like him but i wont slate him in public because hes our manager , if you can understand what i mean.
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Postby account deleted by request » Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:55 pm

You will be stroking his coat inside a week if he joins us. :D  I just think he's the type of manager everyone hates until he joins their club. Once he joins all the quips and barbs will become funny rather than annoying, and once we lift a trophy or two you will be saying how you always wanted him to be our manager :D
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Postby bigmick » Thu Apr 01, 2010 8:29 am

If Mourinho had been our manager this season, with the beachballs, the injuries, the owners, infact every single set of circumstances which has occured, the same squad etc, would we have more points, less points or the same number of points? I know it's only a guess, but what is yours?

Mine is if Mourinho had been our manager we would be now challenging for the title. As I've said many times, I don't think we'd win it as we couldn't afford for Torres to be injured with the squad which Rafa has cobbled together, but I think we'd be within four or five points of the top of the league as of now.

How can I say that? Well, for one I think Mourinho wouldn't have persisted with the Lucas Masherano axis when it was so obvious it wasn't working. Had Rafa worked that one out we'd be at least 10 points better off than we are IMHO, that's even allowing for the fact that Gerrard was injured for a bit too. I think the players would be at least 10-15% more fired up under Mourinho, and he'd have probably got the beach ball goal disallowed by streaking onto the pitch in protest. Longer term, I'd hope that when he does buy 20 million pound players, he would only pick up ones who he actually thinks are good enough to get in the team (I know its a lot to ask but there you go, maybe its just me). I also think we'd be more miserly from set-pieces, and more likely to attract better players as everyone wants to work with him.

Under these owners we still may not win the title (obviously depending on what everone else does, if we are to be allowed to outspend man U by 62 million quid next summer, and Arsenal by 25 million as we were this time around the future may not be as bleak as it seems), but even if we don't win the league, it'd be a ride worth being on.

Anyhow what do you reckon, more,less or the same points this season if Mourinho had been manager? If you can possibly be honest with yourself and admit the actual answer, that's why some of us would be willing to get over the coat and the arrogance and get him in.
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Postby ConnO'var » Thu Apr 01, 2010 9:55 am

Mick,

In my mind, we would have definitely been better off in terms of points. I still wouldn't have him though.... because as good as he is, he's not the only one out there that could have done this. Kenny and Guus would have been equally capable of squeezing more results out of this present squad..... they however, would have done it with more grace and dignity.

A large part of me not wanting him here is simply because I cannot stand the man. Reminds too much of Fergie.... The way he portrays  the image of the club that is. I can take arrogance but not the kind of disrespect that these 2 exhibit.

Will I support him if he does take the job? 100%. But I think we could be doing better in choosing, our so called, "front man" to represent the face of the club.

More "heart" than "head" in the reasoning though... :D
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Postby NANNY RED » Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:02 am

ConnO'var wrote:A large part of me not wanting him here is simply because I cannot stand the man. Reminds too much of Fergie.... The way he portrays  the image of the club that is. I can take arrogance but not the kind of disrespect that these 2 exhibit.

Will I support him if he does take the job? 100%. But I think we could be doing better in choosing, our so called, "front man" to represent the face of the club.

More "heart" than "head" in the reasoning though... :D

Thats it for me and all Conn ,but you say it so much better :;):
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Postby Reg » Thu Apr 01, 2010 7:38 pm

ConnO'var wrote:A large part of me not wanting him here is simply because I cannot stand the man. Reminds too much of Fergie....

Sometimes it take a tw@t to fight a tw@t.
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Postby red37 » Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:11 pm

Reg wrote:
ConnO'var wrote:A large part of me not wanting him here is simply because I cannot stand the man. Reminds too much of Fergie....

Sometimes it take a tw@t to fight a tw@t.

It also takes a c.ock to f.uck one...


I dont think he'll be coming here anyway - despite the clamour from some.
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Postby zarababe » Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:20 pm

He's a fuc'in disgrace - disrespected Rafa, Gerrard and this club.. even though he yearned the passion of this club at his (remember those checkered flags at CFC :D :laugh: ).. and so  you don't sell your soul to the devil - n matter how desperate you are .. I will  abstain from supporting LFC (if it is possible) if he ever came.. I loathe him :angry:
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Postby account deleted by request » Fri Apr 02, 2010 6:10 am

Mourinho the man to breathe vitality into Liverpool's stale corpse
By James Lawton

Friday April 02 2010

At the end of a dismaying and diminishing season, a bright light beckons Liverpool. Whether they will respond to it, show the nerve to pay Rafa Benitez his £16m after acknowledging that he has never been further away from the future he offered when so astonishingly winning the Champions League five years ago, is far from clear; but then what is at Anfield these days?

There is, however, no doubt about the identity of the man holding the light. With increasing candour, Jose Mourinho is announcing that he craves again the passions and the fury of the Premier League.

He made English football his theatre; he felt the warmth of the audience; and even that section of it which poured down scorn was also agreeing that his presence had been both a key and dramatic element in the football life of his adopted country.

"I don't like Italian football," he proclaims now. "And it doesn't like me. So it is quite simple."

Real Madrid, where the respected coach Manuel Pellegrini already carries the burden of failure in his greatest imperative -- success in the Champions League after last summer's spending orgy -- is probably the most obvious next staging post of Mourinho's career. This will be especially so if he can deliver the European prize for Inter Milan after their serial run of Italian league titles, a possibility that has sharpened since the brilliant triumph over Chelsea at Stamford Bridge last month.

Real Madrid is of course no mean stage for the extrovert Portuguese. It offers supreme kudos and a budget to meet any coach's dreams. But Real Madrid operate in Spain, not England, the place where the Mourinho brand still blazes in neon more brightly than anywhere else in the football landscape. In his early days at Chelsea he impatiently stopped an interrogator who was painting a scenario that didn't quite suit the Special One.

It involved, after all, the possibility that he might not achieve all his goals in his first season at Stamford Bridge. "Don't give me your movie," snapped Mourinho. "I have a movie of my own -- and I'm the star."

What would Anfield give for such arrogant buoyancy now?

There is no doubt that there is a large measure of respect and affection still lingering for Benitez. The glory of Istanbul dies hard, heaven knows, but in the more realistic sections of the Liverpool following there is a pained recognition that Benitez has had his time to make a team that could build on that first dramatic success and that, as they now struggle to retain a foothold in the Champions League, it has passed.

Do Liverpool have a chance of landing Mourinho if they can dredge up the necessary finances? There are compelling arguments to say that they do.

While rumours persist that Manchester United see Mourinho as the dynamic successor to Alex Ferguson when he decides to go, the football man likely to be least inhibited or intimidated by the weight of the legacy, there is still not much of a clue about when the old warhorse is likely to gallop off over the horizon.

At Chelsea, where he would be given a rapturous welcome if he was to return -- as we saw so recently even when he was plundering the club's strong belief that it was their year to win the Champions League -- it is inconceivable that Roman Abramovich would make the public admission that he was wrong to first marginalise, then sack the man who delivered two Premier League titles as his opening statements to English football.

Arsenal, whatever the fate of their highest ambitions, belongs to Arsene Wenger as long as he wants them. Where else would provide a fitting home for Mourinho? The more you look at Liverpool the more you see the possibilities of Mourinho sating his ego.

Imagine the impact of a Liverpool revival under Mourinho. It is not as though he would be without some players of formidable ability. Fernando Torres, Steven Gerrard, Javier Mascherano (the most impressive defensive midfielder in the last World Cup) and Pepe Reina represent a hard core of excellence waiting -- in Gerrard's case it seems with ever dwindling optimism -- for the sense that they are part of a team with genuine prospects at the highest level.

If Mourinho still wants massed, fervent belief in his messianic powers, where better for him than a Liverpool where Bill Shankly, all these years after his glory, is still spoken of not as a mere football man but someone who changed the life and the expectations of a great city?

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That there is still such an appetite in Mourinho, one that will not be assuaged if his second Champions League win comes later this spring, is plain enough.

He is much liked by the fans of Inter, but elsewhere in Italy there is no doubt the force of his personality is much less appreciated, infinitely less, certainly, than it was in England so far beyond the boundaries of Stamford Bridge.

"Italians do not really love football for its own sake," he said early in his Milan phase. "They like the contorni well enough, but not so much the football."

Contorni means the extras that come with the main dish and Mourinho was referring to the controversy and the intrigues of the game that occupies most intensely so many Italian fans when they sip their espresso and digestive.

"It is a different view of the game and I do not like it," says Mourinho.

An extraordinary statement, maybe, from a man who can whip up intrigue faster than the author of the 'Da Vinci Code', but then this is Mourinho weaving his charisma, plucking headlines out of the air as though they are white rabbits.

Imagine Mourinho throwing down again the gauntlet at the feet of Ferguson and Wenger and whoever happens to hold the Chelsea job from which he was banished. The effect on English football would of course be electric. At Liverpool, you have to guess, it would be like the dawn of their old life.

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