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by **account deleted by request** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:40 pm

Spot on Mick :nod

Insult them and then ban them seems alive and well too.

by **JoeTerp** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:45 pm

bigmick wrote:I didn't vote but it's hardly surprising that those who voted for Benitez didn't own up to it. What's the point of having a "you're not a real fan, you're a disgrace" discussion with people? That's what would have happened lets be honest, so it's no wonder there was nobody putting their hands up. One of the people who voted for Benitez found himself banned five minutes later, so it hardly promotes healthy debate when you really look at it.

Get rid of all of them for me. The owners are a pair of c...s, and anybody who can watch us play with Gerrard in central midfield as opposed to Lucas and not conclude that it's the best use of our resources shouldn't be managing the playing side either. Not even hindsight, some of us said it before the season even started. We said it again when Gerrard played there earlier this season and we won six on the bounce, and we said it when time and time again our central midfield was disfunctional.

We won't win the league anytime soon in all probability, and it might well be the owners fault. The reason we are fighting for fourth though isn't because of owners, neither is it their fault we went out in the group stages of the Champions League, or got beat by Reading the FA Cup, or had a ridiculous pre-season campaign. That's the manager, and we should get rid of the lot of them.

but who picked to play him in CM today?

by **account deleted by request** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:53 pm

I think it was probably Gerrard's idea mate :-

Benitez said:
“My last conversation with Stevie was very positive and he has a great determination to improve and play.
“Stevie is the captain. He knows we have to improve on the pitch and then it will be easier to change things."

only joking Joe..... before the wrath of god comes down on me

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:55 pm

bigmick wrote:I didn't vote but it's hardly surprising that those who voted for Benitez didn't own up to it. What's the point of having a "you're not a real fan, you're a disgrace" discussion with people? That's what would have happened lets be honest, so it's no wonder there was nobody putting their hands up. One of the people who voted for Benitez found himself banned five minutes later, so it hardly promotes healthy debate when you really look at it.

Get rid of all of them for me. The owners are a pair of c...s, and anybody who can watch us play with Gerrard in central midfield as opposed to Lucas and not conclude that it's the best use of our resources shouldn't be managing the playing side either. Not even hindsight, some of us said it before the season even started. We said it again when Gerrard played there earlier this season and we won six on the bounce, and we said it when time and time again our central midfield was disfunctional.

We won't win the league anytime soon in all probability, and it might well be the owners fault. The reason we are fighting for fourth though isn't because of owners, neither is it their fault we went out in the group stages of the Champions League, or got beat by Reading the FA Cup, or had a ridiculous pre-season campaign. That's the manager, and we should get rid of the lot of them.

Actually it is surprising considering your propensity for making a point of delivering your point of view regardless of the controversy it causes
I was under the impression that in a debate both sides needed to make their opinions known otherwise the objections of one side become invisible ,maybe I was incorrect in this assumption ,if so I have no doubt it will be rectified in no uncertain terms

I wait in anticipation of some regurgitated nonsense along the lines of the sudden realization that Benitez is a disgrace alluding to the close proximity of say Birmingham .....

by **LFC2007** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 11:34 pm

bigmick wrote:It's not like as fans/supporters we do actually have a choice anyway.

Is the purpose of this thread not in part to affect that attitude?

by **bigmick** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 12:12 am

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:
bigmick wrote:I didn't vote but it's hardly surprising that those who voted for Benitez didn't own up to it. What's the point of having a "you're not a real fan, you're a disgrace" discussion with people? That's what would have happened lets be honest, so it's no wonder there was nobody putting their hands up. One of the people who voted for Benitez found himself banned five minutes later, so it hardly promotes healthy debate when you really look at it.

Get rid of all of them for me. The owners are a pair of c...s, and anybody who can watch us play with Gerrard in central midfield as opposed to Lucas and not conclude that it's the best use of our resources shouldn't be managing the playing side either. Not even hindsight, some of us said it before the season even started. We said it again when Gerrard played there earlier this season and we won six on the bounce, and we said it when time and time again our central midfield was disfunctional.

We won't win the league anytime soon in all probability, and it might well be the owners fault. The reason we are fighting for fourth though isn't because of owners, neither is it their fault we went out in the group stages of the Champions League, or got beat by Reading the FA Cup, or had a ridiculous pre-season campaign. That's the manager, and we should get rid of the lot of them.

Actually it is surprising considering your propensity for making a point of delivering your point of view regardless of the controversy it causes
I was under the impression that in a debate both sides needed to make their opinions known otherwise the objections of one side become invisible ,maybe I was incorrect in this assumption ,if so I have no doubt it will be rectified in no uncertain terms

I wait in anticipation of some regurgitated nonsense along the lines of the sudden realization that Benitez is a disgrace alluding to the close proximity of say Birmingham .....

Red, I was merely trying to offer up a reason why those people who voted "Benitez" haven't come on here and put their cards on the table. I reckon I'm right too, but there's always a chance I could be wrong obiously. The reason I think I'm right is I cannot for the life of me think of any other reason. I do agree with you BTW that sensible debate requires two opposing opinions being voiced. It also often requires at the very least a respect for an opposing viewpoint, and as I said earlier I think we sometimes fall short on here in that regard.

I don't actually "make a point" of delivering my verdict regardless of how controversial it is, I just think that if you are involved in a debate and are offering up opinions, you might as well be honest about them. You can be absolutely certain for instance (and I think this is what you mean probably) that if I had actually voted "Benitez" I would definately say so and explain why. I just think that probably some of the people who did vote for him aren't as thick skinned, or even as thick as me.

As for the Birmingham thing, I'm not sure I know what you mean. I've mentioned them a few times recently because we were in severe danger of not finishing above them. Now however with our latest surge, we have left them well behind and can now concentrate our efforts on getting above Tottenham and Man City (I think Villa are out of the race for fourth now). I don't think Everton will play a part now they didn't beat Wolves, but they did come with a good run there.

As I've said a few times, I think despite everything we will get fourth. Had we played a similar line up to the one today (with Gerrard in place of Lucas in central midfield) more often, I think we would have been in the mix to have won the league (although I don't think we would have actually managed to win it). I don't think Rafa's underperformance means he's a "disgrace" either, I just think it indicates that we need a better manager, just like we need better owners.

by **bigmick** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 12:18 am

LFC2007 wrote:
bigmick wrote:It's not like as fans/supporters we do actually have a choice anyway.

Is the purpose of this thread not in part to affect that attitude?

I'm not sure, you're probably right though I suppose. I guess the thread is asking "in a perfect World, if you had the choice etc etc etc". In my perfect World, I'd get rid of them all simulataneously. If it was an imperfect World and you had the choice but could only get rid of one of them (if you get my drift), I'd get rid of the owners.

I do think however that anybody who thinks that owners of football clubs are simply going to tip money in from now on are in the most part, living in dreamland. It is entirely possible that we could get new owners who would be little better than this lot, if at all.

by **LFC2007** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 12:27 am

Fair enough. I suppose pulling your homemade SOS banners out in New Zealand isn't going to have much of an effect on the ownership situation. There is a definitely a 'real' element to most of the debate on here, though. Attitudes. They spread.

by **red till i die!!** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 12:33 am

yanks of course.
should these 2 :censored:

remain at this club it wouldnt matter who was managing us as, without the proper investment that this team needs we will continue to struggle.
imo no other top manager would even contemplate managing us in our current situation.this system of having to sell to buy is ridiculous and would definately not attract anyone of the calibre we need.add the fact that you would be signing up to a circus being run by the clowns.
the sooner these two leave the club the better!!

by **kazza** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:37 am

dawson99 wrote:
kazza wrote:
dawson99 wrote:
Ciggy wrote:No need to ask me

8 people voted for rafa what shitbags you are

Maybe some people think we won't get decent owners until we get a new manager? Who'd buy us at the moment the way we play? We get a different manager, play more attacking, better looking football, maybe the right owner will be more forthcoming...

Anyone that says we will not get investment because of whoever the manager is is a complete idiot. No one will invest in any club due to them liking or disliking a particular manager or liking the way a team plays.

The things you read on here

well who would you rather invest in? a dire team no one wants to see play as the attacking football is awful, who upsets players and makes them leave?

or attacking football, good team spirit, players who don't keep leaving/getting sacked after just months etc etc

don't worry Kazza, we'll make things easier for you to understand mate

You go have a little nap, you've contributed as well as ever, you deserve it

plus, I said maybe whch means that it is just one possible explanation, or an idea to give out.

You said maybe and then i responded with then those people are idiots it is quite simple really, maybe you need the nap.

If suggesting that we should change manager so someone will (maybe) invest in us is contributing to the forum... well :laugh:

Clearly you will never be in a position to buy a club. That is like buying a car because it has a good polish (it may happen and those people are called IDIOTS)

Stick to general chat as you may be more suited to it that and acting wet (don't burst into tears)

by **dawson99** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:49 am

kazza, maybe one day you'll have an opinion, not just belittle others and ruin threads, now back to topic...

A lot of people are saying that anew manager is the way to go, to make the club more buyable, personally as i have said our priority has to be good investment, but not just like Citeh. We need stability and the ability to spend, but I don't ant us just buying the legue, we need to build

by **kazza** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:15 am

dawson99 wrote:kazza, maybe one day you'll have an opinion, not just belittle others and ruin threads, now back to topic...

A lot of people are saying that anew manager is the way to go, to make the club more buyable, personally as i have said our priority has to be good investment, but not just like Citeh. We need stability and the ability to spend, but I don't ant us just buying the legue, we need to build

We were on topic until you tried to belittle me. You said (maybe) if we had a new manager we will get investment. I said anyone that thinks by getting a new manager we will get investment is an idiot. Both opinions and both on topic until you accused me of not understanding and needing a nap (as fighting words go, pretty vicious).

I repeat there is no way that a person willing to invest 100 MILLION POUNDS plus will do so based on who a manager is. Anyone that thinks that has no clue about how things work. Managers come and go and anyone that invests huge money will know that. Next you will be saying that we should change the canteen lady as her tea is a little watery and might frighten away investment and then go on to say alot of people think that because it is you opinion (wouldn't be the first time).

by **dawson99** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:18 am

I said maybe, learn to read dude, and chill out. I'm just giving other opinions, not everyone shares your view. Grow up, learn to actually say something that has a point, and if not, fuk off.

(if you want to further this conversation, please feel free to pm me, so we both do not ruin this thread more than you already have, of course I'll just delete your pm, as you bore me)

by **kazza** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:27 am

dawson99 wrote:(if you want to further this conversation, please feel free to pm me, so we both do not ruin this thread more than you already have, of course I'll just delete your pm, as you bore me)

Gee that doesn't sound wet

It is funny that when you are proved wrong it is deemed by you as ruining the thread and me not having an opinion.

by **dawson99** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:46 am

How have I been proved wrong by stating a maybe scenario, then having others agreeing, and you saying your normal sh!t?

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