Fourth - will we make it?

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Fourth - will we make it?

Yes, we will finish fourth
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No, we will finish below fourth
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Postby Owzat » Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:18 am

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leep33 wrote:Our run in is the easiest of the four and if we can win the majority of the games then w can still finish fourth, although it will be a tall order.

"we can win the majority of the games "
no we must win all the gamne, we might be able to drop 2 points and still get 4th with 70points but the money is on for over 70 points for 4th spot, for us to hit that we must winn all the games left.

The way I see it spudz have sprinted into a lead, but have a tough set of game left with Man Utd (a), Chelsea (h), Arsenal (h) and Man City (a) to come. The spudz fan I spoke to reckons they might get five points out of that, I think that is optimistic but would still be seven points dropped which is the difference between us at the moment.

Citeh have a two point advantage over us and a game in hand. However, they have to play the mancs at COMS, Arsenal away and both spudz and villa at home. They may be tempted to settle for a point at home in the latter two, even if they don't that is another tricky set of four games they'd be happy if they picked up 7+ points in and so there's five points droppable which would make the gap between us and them if they win their game in hand.

I bet villa wish they hadn't played yesterday, not only did they lose but they were humliated like some pub side and lost a lot of ground on GD let alone points. They've lost any games in hand and are seven points behind spudz like us, the only solace they can find is they too have a relatively easy looking run-in with just Citeh away and bitters at home their tough-ish fixtures


But I agree in essence, we will almost certainly need 6-7 wins to secure 4th, I can see the other sides dropping 5-7 points but we're about that behind so we can't really afford to drop much more than two ourselves if that. When the control is out of your hands, all you can do is win to put pressure on. A draw won't put any pressure on, it would hardly make a dent.
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Postby leep33 » Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:20 am

I still think we can make fourth, Spurs have a difficult run in as do Man City and Villa, apart from Chelsea we should expect to win our remaining games, although i fully expect us to beat Chelsea as well.
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Postby Greavesie » Sun Mar 28, 2010 11:51 am

I really hope we dont inadvertantly hand Man U the title. I know Liverpool come first and if it means we get fourth then so be it. BUT I don't like the thought of it
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Postby redmikey » Sun Mar 28, 2010 12:39 pm

Big Niall wrote:The idea of us hoping we win every game and then we MIGHT get 4th is so depressing.

not as depressing as the thought of souness still being our manager............ shiver down the spine time........
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Postby zarababe » Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:25 pm

Big Niall wrote:
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Kerry07 wrote:Our "support" is a large reason we have gone 20 years without a domestic title.. we give people who aint good enough time (managers/players) and naively cite Ferguson/Wenger as reasons to be patient. Its like buying Ade Akinbiyi..and then saying give him time as it took Ian Rush a season to start banging them in.

I will ALWAYS support people who are good enough (hence Gerrard who has carried us for a decade i will support to the hilt, unlike some gobsh'ites) while those who ain't good enough i want rid.

Bill Shanky paid big money for Tony Hately and then discarded him after a solitary season as he wasn't good enough. He didnt support garbage.. and he'd turn in his grave to know there are those that do.

Yes we do give some people too much time but the difference is, no matter how much time we give them we always support them. As Shanks did with Tony Hately, he realised (quickly) he wasn't suited to our gameplan and got shut of him but he supported during his entire Liverpool career.

That's the point. Any manager managing this club gets our support from start to finish of their reign likewise any player playing for this club gets our support from the day they sign to the day they leave.

*facepalm*

Its fans like you who deserve failure.. because you support it.

The reasons ManU, Real Madrid, Barca, AC Milan, Bayern...are still at the top, is they demand to be there, we used to..but have long since stopped. When the team doesnt perform the fans let them know it...there is no drop in standards because it isn't condoned. Difference is we do condone it... infact we sing songs about players who 20 years ago wouldn't get in our reserves.

Tony Hately is used as a prime example of the standards Shankly set..he got rid first misson. No hanging about. He did not support inadequacy. He would be devastated that a player such as lucas is wearing the all red strip that he created. He raised the bar so that his ilk wouldnt be tolerated.

I support failure? No, I support Liverpool Football Club and if my f*****g club is failing then so f*****g be it but I'll continue supporting my club because that's what a supporter does. I support my club through thick and thin, not just sit and sulk and reminisce about days gone by.

If you're not prepared to fight for this club through the bad times then f**k off for good because we're a club built on standing by our boys. Not slagging them off at every chance we get. That's not support, support is being there at all times not only the good.

So yes I'll support failure if my club is failing with as much love for my club as I have when we're succeeding. Maybe you're one of those fans who changes their club every week depending on the results at the weekend. I'm not, I'm a fan of Liverpool Football Club no matter what. Failure or success, my heart is with Liverpool Football Club.

And you keep talking about Shankly, do you remember what inspired Shanks to success throughout his 15 years at the club? Us. The fans. We sucked the ball into the net back in the early 60s to get a failing Liverpool side out of the second division to the greatest side on this island.

Did we turn on Shanks or his boys? No we helped him through the difficult part of his Liverpool career and we went on to greater success. So do yourself a f*****g favour and help Rafa and his boys through the difficult patch of their Liverpool career to ensure they go onto further successes.

if we followed your logic in the early 90s, Souness would still be the manager and you'd be waiting for Souness to become Shankly.

You're comparig 'Souness' to Rafa - now I've heard it all !

- there is no comparison in success terms, stature terms (managerially of course) and financial limitations and world-wide transfer market competition

So get a f'ukin grip .. GOD how I long for those KOPITEs to rule the roost ..  :help  :help  :help
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Postby Big Niall » Sun Mar 28, 2010 6:59 pm

zarababe wrote:
Big Niall wrote:
baldricks_cunning_plan wrote:
Kerry07 wrote:
baldricks_cunning_plan wrote:
Kerry07 wrote:Our "support" is a large reason we have gone 20 years without a domestic title.. we give people who aint good enough time (managers/players) and naively cite Ferguson/Wenger as reasons to be patient. Its like buying Ade Akinbiyi..and then saying give him time as it took Ian Rush a season to start banging them in.

I will ALWAYS support people who are good enough (hence Gerrard who has carried us for a decade i will support to the hilt, unlike some gobsh'ites) while those who ain't good enough i want rid.

Bill Shanky paid big money for Tony Hately and then discarded him after a solitary season as he wasn't good enough. He didnt support garbage.. and he'd turn in his grave to know there are those that do.

Yes we do give some people too much time but the difference is, no matter how much time we give them we always support them. As Shanks did with Tony Hately, he realised (quickly) he wasn't suited to our gameplan and got shut of him but he supported during his entire Liverpool career.

That's the point. Any manager managing this club gets our support from start to finish of their reign likewise any player playing for this club gets our support from the day they sign to the day they leave.

*facepalm*

Its fans like you who deserve failure.. because you support it.

The reasons ManU, Real Madrid, Barca, AC Milan, Bayern...are still at the top, is they demand to be there, we used to..but have long since stopped. When the team doesnt perform the fans let them know it...there is no drop in standards because it isn't condoned. Difference is we do condone it... infact we sing songs about players who 20 years ago wouldn't get in our reserves.

Tony Hately is used as a prime example of the standards Shankly set..he got rid first misson. No hanging about. He did not support inadequacy. He would be devastated that a player such as lucas is wearing the all red strip that he created. He raised the bar so that his ilk wouldnt be tolerated.

I support failure? No, I support Liverpool Football Club and if my f*****g club is failing then so f*****g be it but I'll continue supporting my club because that's what a supporter does. I support my club through thick and thin, not just sit and sulk and reminisce about days gone by.

If you're not prepared to fight for this club through the bad times then f**k off for good because we're a club built on standing by our boys. Not slagging them off at every chance we get. That's not support, support is being there at all times not only the good.

So yes I'll support failure if my club is failing with as much love for my club as I have when we're succeeding. Maybe you're one of those fans who changes their club every week depending on the results at the weekend. I'm not, I'm a fan of Liverpool Football Club no matter what. Failure or success, my heart is with Liverpool Football Club.

And you keep talking about Shankly, do you remember what inspired Shanks to success throughout his 15 years at the club? Us. The fans. We sucked the ball into the net back in the early 60s to get a failing Liverpool side out of the second division to the greatest side on this island.

Did we turn on Shanks or his boys? No we helped him through the difficult part of his Liverpool career and we went on to greater success. So do yourself a f*****g favour and help Rafa and his boys through the difficult patch of their Liverpool career to ensure they go onto further successes.

if we followed your logic in the early 90s, Souness would still be the manager and you'd be waiting for Souness to become Shankly.

You're comparig 'Souness' to Rafa - now I've heard it all !

- there is no comparison in success terms, stature terms (managerially of course) and financial limitations and world-wide transfer market competition

So get a f'ukin grip .. GOD how I long for those KOPITEs to rule the roost ..  :help  :help  :help

My point was that if the wrong man is in charge, he should be fired and none of this "support the manager" rubbish.

If you don't think Rafa is the right man , fair enough, it doesn't make you more of a supporter than the people who think he isn't upto it.
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Postby Big Niall » Sun Mar 28, 2010 7:02 pm

We need to win the 5 "non Chelsea" games to have any chance, even one draw there and we're gone.

It is going to be squeeky bum time .
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Postby SouthCoastShankly » Sun Mar 28, 2010 7:10 pm

Most commentators think that 69 points will be enough to seal 4th. For us that equates to 6 out of the last 7 wins. Assuming we win by enough margins at home we could still afford a loss to Chelsea.

A Wigan win at City would be a dream!!
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Postby The Good Yank » Sun Mar 28, 2010 7:17 pm

SouthCoastShankly wrote:Most commentators think that 69 points will be enough to seal 4th. For us that equates to 6 out of the last 7 wins. Assuming we win by enough margins at home we could still afford a loss to Chelsea.

A Wigan win at City would be a dream!!

Wigan did pull an upset on a Monday night pretty recently  :p
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Postby didio2131 » Sun Mar 28, 2010 7:24 pm

Yes I think with Liverpool playing marvelously  well against Sunderland,We are improving from time to time but then Spurs who have obtained the fourth spot now are looking promising thereby making it difficult for liverpool to finish fourth in the league.We must not go trophyless this season.We should try and win at least one trophy to cheer up our fans.   :blues: :O :angry:
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Postby RED BEERGOGGLES » Sun Mar 28, 2010 9:36 pm

baldricks_cunning_plan wrote:I support failure? No, I support Liverpool Football Club and if my f*****g club is failing then so f*****g be it but I'll continue supporting my club because that's what a supporter does. I support my club through thick and thin, not just sit and sulk and reminisce about days gone by.

If you're not prepared to fight for this club through the bad times then f**k off for good because we're a club built on standing by our boys. Not slagging them off at every chance we get. That's not support, support is being there at all times not only the good.

So yes I'll support failure if my club is failing with as much love for my club as I have when we're succeeding. Maybe you're one of those fans who changes their club every week depending on the results at the weekend. I'm not, I'm a fan of Liverpool Football Club no matter what. Failure or success, my heart is with Liverpool Football Club.

And you keep talking about Shankly, do you remember what inspired Shanks to success throughout his 15 years at the club? Us. The fans. We sucked the ball into the net back in the early 60s to get a failing Liverpool side out of the second division to the greatest side on this island.

Did we turn on Shanks or his boys? No we helped him through the difficult part of his Liverpool career and we went on to greater success. So do yourself a f*****g favour and help Rafa and his boys through the difficult patch of their Liverpool career to ensure they go onto further successes.

Well said Fella  :D
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Postby 7_Kewell » Sun Mar 28, 2010 11:37 pm

you know, we might just do it. Spurs have got to play man utd, Arsenal and Chelsea...i can't see them getting anything but 1 point from all of those. I'm also pretty sure Man city have got a manchester derby too...so all is still to play for  :)
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Postby Redman in wales » Mon Mar 29, 2010 11:30 am

This weekend it finally became impossible for us to win the league.

mathemtically it's now impossible.  - sorry, no league title this year. :(
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Postby damjan193 » Mon Mar 29, 2010 11:33 am

Redman in wales wrote:This weekend it finally became impossible for us to win the league.

mathemtically it's now impossible.  - sorry, no league title this year. :(

To WIN the league?Who said anything about winning?We are argiong weather or not we'll get fourth place :D.But yeah since you mentioned it, we've lost all of our theoretical chances of winning :D, though according to the logical chances, we've lost them long ago :D.
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Postby SouthCoastShankly » Mon Mar 29, 2010 11:38 am

Looking at the remaining fixtures, you have to have some optimism.

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As much as City and Spurs have/are playing well. The fixtures they have remaining surely will result in dropped points. Our key objective is to keep the confidence up and kill off the games we have early on.
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