Fourth - will we make it?

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Fourth - will we make it?

Yes, we will finish fourth
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No, we will finish below fourth
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Postby baldricks_cunning_plan » Sat Mar 27, 2010 1:20 am

Kerry07 wrote:Our "support" is a large reason we have gone 20 years without a domestic title.. we give people who aint good enough time (managers/players) and naively cite Ferguson/Wenger as reasons to be patient. Its like buying Ade Akinbiyi..and then saying give him time as it took Ian Rush a season to start banging them in.

I will ALWAYS support people who are good enough (hence Gerrard who has carried us for a decade i will support to the hilt, unlike some gobsh'ites) while those who ain't good enough i want rid.

Bill Shanky paid big money for Tony Hately and then discarded him after a solitary season as he wasn't good enough. He didnt support garbage.. and he'd turn in his grave to know there are those that do.

Yes we do give some people too much time but the difference is, no matter how much time we give them we always support them. As Shanks did with Tony Hately, he realised (quickly) he wasn't suited to our gameplan and got shut of him but he supported during his entire Liverpool career.

That's the point. Any manager managing this club gets our support from start to finish of their reign likewise any player playing for this club gets our support from the day they sign to the day they leave.
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Postby NANNY RED » Sat Mar 27, 2010 1:28 am

Kerry07 wrote:Our "support" is a large reason we have gone 20 years without a domestic title.. we give people who aint good enough time (managers/players) and naively cite Ferguson/Wenger as reasons to be patient. Its like buying Ade Akinbiyi..and then saying give him time as it took Ian Rush a season to start banging them in.

I will ALWAYS support people who are good enough (hence Gerrard who has carried us for a decade i will support to the hilt, unlike some gobsh'ites) while those who ain't good enough i want rid.

Bill Shanky paid big money for Tony Hately and then discarded him after a solitary season as he wasn't good enough. He didnt support garbage.. and he'd turn in his grave to know there are those that do. When you lower demands, expectations.. you get what you ask for.

Shanks didnt like cheats mate , hed break yeh leg but hed never cheat you , and as far as im concerned some of them players in a red shirt this season have cheated me, I dont go for all this they have lost faith in the manager ,they play for Liverpool Football club not Rafa Benitez, Liverpool Football club employ them. So dont be blaming any fans for nothing because without us theyd be fecking nothing
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Postby Kerry07 » Sat Mar 27, 2010 1:39 am

baldricks_cunning_plan wrote:
Kerry07 wrote:Our "support" is a large reason we have gone 20 years without a domestic title.. we give people who aint good enough time (managers/players) and naively cite Ferguson/Wenger as reasons to be patient. Its like buying Ade Akinbiyi..and then saying give him time as it took Ian Rush a season to start banging them in.

I will ALWAYS support people who are good enough (hence Gerrard who has carried us for a decade i will support to the hilt, unlike some gobsh'ites) while those who ain't good enough i want rid.

Bill Shanky paid big money for Tony Hately and then discarded him after a solitary season as he wasn't good enough. He didnt support garbage.. and he'd turn in his grave to know there are those that do.

Yes we do give some people too much time but the difference is, no matter how much time we give them we always support them. As Shanks did with Tony Hately, he realised (quickly) he wasn't suited to our gameplan and got shut of him but he supported during his entire Liverpool career.

That's the point. Any manager managing this club gets our support from start to finish of their reign likewise any player playing for this club gets our support from the day they sign to the day they leave.

*facepalm*

Its fans like you who deserve failure.. because you support it.

The reasons ManU, Real Madrid, Barca, AC Milan, Bayern...are still at the top, is they demand to be there, we used to..but have long since stopped. When the team doesnt perform the fans let them know it...there is no drop in standards because it isn't condoned. Difference is we do condone it... infact we sing songs about players who 20 years ago wouldn't get in our reserves.

Tony Hately is used as a prime example of the standards Shankly set..he got rid first misson. No hanging about. He did not support inadequacy. He would be devastated that a player such as lucas is wearing the all red strip that he created. He raised the bar so that his ilk wouldnt be tolerated.
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Postby RED BEERGOGGLES » Sat Mar 27, 2010 1:51 am

Kerry07 wrote:Our "support" is a large reason we have gone 20 years without a domestic title.. we give people who aint good enough time (managers/players) and naively cite Ferguson/Wenger as reasons to be patient. Its like buying Ade Akinbiyi..and then saying give him time as it took Ian Rush a season to start banging them in.

I will ALWAYS support people who are good enough (hence Gerrard who has carried us for a decade i will support to the hilt, unlike some gobsh'ites) while those who ain't good enough i want rid.

Bill Shanky paid big money for Tony Hately and then discarded him after a solitary season as he wasn't good enough. He didnt support garbage.. and he'd turn in his grave to know there are those that do. When you lower demands, expectations.. you get what you ask for.

I was wondering does anyone else hear the Z- Cars theme every time this beaut posts  :laugh:
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Postby zarababe » Sat Mar 27, 2010 2:53 am

heimdall wrote:
Kerry07 wrote:Christ...

Ok...yes yes... we haven't lost a whopping 16 times this season, we havent been dominated and toothless in losses at Portsmouth, Fulham, Sunderland, Wigan..we werent diabolical at Wolves and Stoke, we werent dumped out of the group stage of the CL for the first time since Diao and Cheyrou's 2002 team, Lyon didnt have a staggering 17 shots at Anfield, we weren't outplayed at home to Reading in the FA Cup who didnt carve us open umpteen times or miss two one on ones before scoring twice, our central midfield hasnt been outclassed and dominated repeatedly this season, and the creativity from there has been sublime, some of the football we have played has been a joy.. the pass and move ethos of the club has been there for all to see (reminding us of images of shanks side to side hand motion on the bench in the '74 Cup final), lucas has been Cruyff-esque, we really go for the jugular when we face anyone and impose/dictate our game with attacking flair, we are the entertainers... and we have lived up to the name of this great club.

Indeed gentlemen.

amen brother, but apparently this is the standard of footballer that true Liverpool fans want and we are clueless and disrespectful for wanting LFC to play good football.

You are truely a knob-head - how f'ukin dare you ..you bitter twitsed sh*t - go and support the LA Galaxy - u good for nothing so-called supporter.

Your either in it, for better- for worse for the long and short haul or you can f'uck of

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Postby baldricks_cunning_plan » Sat Mar 27, 2010 2:54 am

Kerry07 wrote:
baldricks_cunning_plan wrote:
Kerry07 wrote:Our "support" is a large reason we have gone 20 years without a domestic title.. we give people who aint good enough time (managers/players) and naively cite Ferguson/Wenger as reasons to be patient. Its like buying Ade Akinbiyi..and then saying give him time as it took Ian Rush a season to start banging them in.

I will ALWAYS support people who are good enough (hence Gerrard who has carried us for a decade i will support to the hilt, unlike some gobsh'ites) while those who ain't good enough i want rid.

Bill Shanky paid big money for Tony Hately and then discarded him after a solitary season as he wasn't good enough. He didnt support garbage.. and he'd turn in his grave to know there are those that do.

Yes we do give some people too much time but the difference is, no matter how much time we give them we always support them. As Shanks did with Tony Hately, he realised (quickly) he wasn't suited to our gameplan and got shut of him but he supported during his entire Liverpool career.

That's the point. Any manager managing this club gets our support from start to finish of their reign likewise any player playing for this club gets our support from the day they sign to the day they leave.

*facepalm*

Its fans like you who deserve failure.. because you support it.

The reasons ManU, Real Madrid, Barca, AC Milan, Bayern...are still at the top, is they demand to be there, we used to..but have long since stopped. When the team doesnt perform the fans let them know it...there is no drop in standards because it isn't condoned. Difference is we do condone it... infact we sing songs about players who 20 years ago wouldn't get in our reserves.

Tony Hately is used as a prime example of the standards Shankly set..he got rid first misson. No hanging about. He did not support inadequacy. He would be devastated that a player such as lucas is wearing the all red strip that he created. He raised the bar so that his ilk wouldnt be tolerated.

I support failure? No, I support Liverpool Football Club and if my f*****g club is failing then so f*****g be it but I'll continue supporting my club because that's what a supporter does. I support my club through thick and thin, not just sit and sulk and reminisce about days gone by.

If you're not prepared to fight for this club through the bad times then f**k off for good because we're a club built on standing by our boys. Not slagging them off at every chance we get. That's not support, support is being there at all times not only the good.

So yes I'll support failure if my club is failing with as much love for my club as I have when we're succeeding. Maybe you're one of those fans who changes their club every week depending on the results at the weekend. I'm not, I'm a fan of Liverpool Football Club no matter what. Failure or success, my heart is with Liverpool Football Club.

And you keep talking about Shankly, do you remember what inspired Shanks to success throughout his 15 years at the club? Us. The fans. We sucked the ball into the net back in the early 60s to get a failing Liverpool side out of the second division to the greatest side on this island.

Did we turn on Shanks or his boys? No we helped him through the difficult part of his Liverpool career and we went on to greater success. So do yourself a f*****g favour and help Rafa and his boys through the difficult patch of their Liverpool career to ensure they go onto further successes.
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Postby Emerald Red » Sat Mar 27, 2010 3:55 am

baldricks_cunning_plan wrote:
Kerry07 wrote:
baldricks_cunning_plan wrote:
Kerry07 wrote:Our "support" is a large reason we have gone 20 years without a domestic title.. we give people who aint good enough time (managers/players) and naively cite Ferguson/Wenger as reasons to be patient. Its like buying Ade Akinbiyi..and then saying give him time as it took Ian Rush a season to start banging them in.

I will ALWAYS support people who are good enough (hence Gerrard who has carried us for a decade i will support to the hilt, unlike some gobsh'ites) while those who ain't good enough i want rid.

Bill Shanky paid big money for Tony Hately and then discarded him after a solitary season as he wasn't good enough. He didnt support garbage.. and he'd turn in his grave to know there are those that do.

Yes we do give some people too much time but the difference is, no matter how much time we give them we always support them. As Shanks did with Tony Hately, he realised (quickly) he wasn't suited to our gameplan and got shut of him but he supported during his entire Liverpool career.

That's the point. Any manager managing this club gets our support from start to finish of their reign likewise any player playing for this club gets our support from the day they sign to the day they leave.

*facepalm*

Its fans like you who deserve failure.. because you support it.

The reasons ManU, Real Madrid, Barca, AC Milan, Bayern...are still at the top, is they demand to be there, we used to..but have long since stopped. When the team doesnt perform the fans let them know it...there is no drop in standards because it isn't condoned. Difference is we do condone it... infact we sing songs about players who 20 years ago wouldn't get in our reserves.

Tony Hately is used as a prime example of the standards Shankly set..he got rid first misson. No hanging about. He did not support inadequacy. He would be devastated that a player such as lucas is wearing the all red strip that he created. He raised the bar so that his ilk wouldnt be tolerated.

I support failure? No, I support Liverpool Football Club and if my f*****g club is failing then so f*****g be it but I'll continue supporting my club because that's what a supporter does. I support my club through thick and thin, not just sit and sulk and reminisce about days gone by.

If you're not prepared to fight for this club through the bad times then f**k off for good because we're a club built on standing by our boys. Not slagging them off at every chance we get. That's not support, support is being there at all times not only the good.

So yes I'll support failure if my club is failing with as much love for my club as I have when we're succeeding. Maybe you're one of those fans who changes their club every week depending on the results at the weekend. I'm not, I'm a fan of Liverpool Football Club no matter what. Failure or success, my heart is with Liverpool Football Club.

And you keep talking about Shankly, do you remember what inspired Shanks to success throughout his 15 years at the club? Us. The fans. We sucked the ball into the net back in the early 60s to get a failing Liverpool side out of the second division to the greatest side on this island.

Did we turn on Shanks or his boys? No we helped him through the difficult part of his Liverpool career and we went on to greater success. So do yourself a f*****g favour and help Rafa and his boys through the difficult patch of their Liverpool career to ensure they go onto further successes.

Well said, fella.
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Postby Kerry07 » Sat Mar 27, 2010 6:02 am

baldricks_cunning_plan wrote:
Kerry07 wrote:
baldricks_cunning_plan wrote:
Kerry07 wrote:Our "support" is a large reason we have gone 20 years without a domestic title.. we give people who aint good enough time (managers/players) and naively cite Ferguson/Wenger as reasons to be patient. Its like buying Ade Akinbiyi..and then saying give him time as it took Ian Rush a season to start banging them in.

I will ALWAYS support people who are good enough (hence Gerrard who has carried us for a decade i will support to the hilt, unlike some gobsh'ites) while those who ain't good enough i want rid.

Bill Shanky paid big money for Tony Hately and then discarded him after a solitary season as he wasn't good enough. He didnt support garbage.. and he'd turn in his grave to know there are those that do.

Yes we do give some people too much time but the difference is, no matter how much time we give them we always support them. As Shanks did with Tony Hately, he realised (quickly) he wasn't suited to our gameplan and got shut of him but he supported during his entire Liverpool career.

That's the point. Any manager managing this club gets our support from start to finish of their reign likewise any player playing for this club gets our support from the day they sign to the day they leave.

*facepalm*

Its fans like you who deserve failure.. because you support it.

The reasons ManU, Real Madrid, Barca, AC Milan, Bayern...are still at the top, is they demand to be there, we used to..but have long since stopped. When the team doesnt perform the fans let them know it...there is no drop in standards because it isn't condoned. Difference is we do condone it... infact we sing songs about players who 20 years ago wouldn't get in our reserves.

Tony Hately is used as a prime example of the standards Shankly set..he got rid first misson. No hanging about. He did not support inadequacy. He would be devastated that a player such as lucas is wearing the all red strip that he created. He raised the bar so that his ilk wouldnt be tolerated.

I support failure? No, I support Liverpool Football Club and if my f*****g club is failing then so f*****g be it but I'll continue supporting my club because that's what a supporter does. I support my club through thick and thin, not just sit and sulk and reminisce about days gone by.

If you're not prepared to fight for this club through the bad times then f**k off for good because we're a club built on standing by our boys. Not slagging them off at every chance we get. That's not support, support is being there at all times not only the good.

So yes I'll support failure if my club is failing with as much love for my club as I have when we're succeeding. Maybe you're one of those fans who changes their club every week depending on the results at the weekend. I'm not, I'm a fan of Liverpool Football Club no matter what. Failure or success, my heart is with Liverpool Football Club.

And you keep talking about Shankly, do you remember what inspired Shanks to success throughout his 15 years at the club? Us. The fans. We sucked the ball into the net back in the early 60s to get a failing Liverpool side out of the second division to the greatest side on this island.

Did we turn on Shanks or his boys? No we helped him through the difficult part of his Liverpool career and we went on to greater success. So do yourself a f*****g favour and help Rafa and his boys through the difficult patch of their Liverpool career to ensure they go onto further successes.

Errr.. i stated Shanks raised the bar, and discarding Tony Hately was a high profile example in showing he wouldn't tolerate inadequacy which is exactly what we do now. Thats the legacy of Hately...not some revisionist spin you came up with.

Shankly set the standards, demands, and expectations ..that the mindset of current fans such as you have lowered.

Through thick and thin i totally understand (i did start supporting us when Souness was manager).. but when you support us regardless of performance as is your philosophy (like a father who supports his son consistently getting grade D's) then you lower the standards, demands, and expectations... the very thing Shanks worked night and day for 15 years to build up.

"If you'd seen Anfield when I came it was the biggest toilet in Liverpool".... "My idea was to build Liverpool up and up and up until, eventually, everyone would have to submit, and give in”

Its the winners mentality... never accept less. You accept mediocrity... i wont ever.
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Postby leep33 » Sat Mar 27, 2010 7:42 am

Our run in is the easiest of the four and if we can win the majority of the games then w can still finish fourth, although it will be a tall order.
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Postby lakes10 » Sat Mar 27, 2010 10:42 am

leep33 wrote:Our run in is the easiest of the four and if we can win the majority of the games then w can still finish fourth, although it will be a tall order.

"we can win the majority of the games "
no we must win all the gamne, we might be able to drop 2 points and still get 4th with 70points but the money is on for over 70 points for 4th spot, for us to hit that we must winn all the games left.
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Postby Big Niall » Sat Mar 27, 2010 10:45 pm

baldricks_cunning_plan wrote:
Kerry07 wrote:
baldricks_cunning_plan wrote:
Kerry07 wrote:Our "support" is a large reason we have gone 20 years without a domestic title.. we give people who aint good enough time (managers/players) and naively cite Ferguson/Wenger as reasons to be patient. Its like buying Ade Akinbiyi..and then saying give him time as it took Ian Rush a season to start banging them in.

I will ALWAYS support people who are good enough (hence Gerrard who has carried us for a decade i will support to the hilt, unlike some gobsh'ites) while those who ain't good enough i want rid.

Bill Shanky paid big money for Tony Hately and then discarded him after a solitary season as he wasn't good enough. He didnt support garbage.. and he'd turn in his grave to know there are those that do.

Yes we do give some people too much time but the difference is, no matter how much time we give them we always support them. As Shanks did with Tony Hately, he realised (quickly) he wasn't suited to our gameplan and got shut of him but he supported during his entire Liverpool career.

That's the point. Any manager managing this club gets our support from start to finish of their reign likewise any player playing for this club gets our support from the day they sign to the day they leave.

*facepalm*

Its fans like you who deserve failure.. because you support it.

The reasons ManU, Real Madrid, Barca, AC Milan, Bayern...are still at the top, is they demand to be there, we used to..but have long since stopped. When the team doesnt perform the fans let them know it...there is no drop in standards because it isn't condoned. Difference is we do condone it... infact we sing songs about players who 20 years ago wouldn't get in our reserves.

Tony Hately is used as a prime example of the standards Shankly set..he got rid first misson. No hanging about. He did not support inadequacy. He would be devastated that a player such as lucas is wearing the all red strip that he created. He raised the bar so that his ilk wouldnt be tolerated.

I support failure? No, I support Liverpool Football Club and if my f*****g club is failing then so f*****g be it but I'll continue supporting my club because that's what a supporter does. I support my club through thick and thin, not just sit and sulk and reminisce about days gone by.

If you're not prepared to fight for this club through the bad times then f**k off for good because we're a club built on standing by our boys. Not slagging them off at every chance we get. That's not support, support is being there at all times not only the good.

So yes I'll support failure if my club is failing with as much love for my club as I have when we're succeeding. Maybe you're one of those fans who changes their club every week depending on the results at the weekend. I'm not, I'm a fan of Liverpool Football Club no matter what. Failure or success, my heart is with Liverpool Football Club.

And you keep talking about Shankly, do you remember what inspired Shanks to success throughout his 15 years at the club? Us. The fans. We sucked the ball into the net back in the early 60s to get a failing Liverpool side out of the second division to the greatest side on this island.

Did we turn on Shanks or his boys? No we helped him through the difficult part of his Liverpool career and we went on to greater success. So do yourself a f*****g favour and help Rafa and his boys through the difficult patch of their Liverpool career to ensure they go onto further successes.

if we followed your logic in the early 90s, Souness would still be the manager and you'd be waiting for Souness to become Shankly.
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Postby Big Niall » Sat Mar 27, 2010 10:46 pm

The idea of us hoping we win every game and then we MIGHT get 4th is so depressing.
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Postby Greavesie » Sat Mar 27, 2010 10:47 pm

Who's Shankley?
All round the fields of Anfield Road
Where once we watched the King Kenny play (and could he play!)
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Postby Big Niall » Sat Mar 27, 2010 10:54 pm

Greavesie wrote:Who's Shankley?

He used to be LFC manager, and you spelled his name incorrectly. :p
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Postby Greavesie » Sun Mar 28, 2010 12:15 am

Big Niall wrote:
Greavesie wrote:Who's Shankley?

He used to be LFC manager, and you spelled his name incorrectly. :p

:laugh:

well done
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