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by **Igor Zidane** » Fri Mar 26, 2010 11:42 pm

heimdall wrote:
Dundalk wrote:If anyone votes Rafa they dont support Liverpool

If anyone votes owners they can't see the bigger picture and are blinded by doctrine.

Can i ask why Heimdall ?

by **heimdall** » Fri Mar 26, 2010 11:49 pm

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:I just want to see where the forum lie's on this issue as i see this as the biggest issue faceing our club .

I can't vote , but you obviously know who i want rid of first THE OWNERS.

My reason's for this are not because i'm pro Rafa ,as i've said before . I've come to terms with the fact that he has gone in rthe summer anyway .

No matter who the manager is of our club now or in the future it is without a doubt in my mind that these owners of ours are the worst thing that has happened to our club since the Hillsborough disaster . That fact alone brings me and many others to the conclusion that we need to get rid pronto , before anything else we need these owners out .

Now you can blame Rafa for spending vast amounts on crud players or for playing boring footy or for not winning anything for 4 seasons . Surley to god though the very future of our club is more important than rafa or anyone .

By concentrating on the manager and his faults the owners are getting away with the ulimate accountibility which was bestowed upon them . In the grand scheme of things don't you think not winning anything or finishing outside the top four is less of a priority than the future of our club .

I'm honestly not trying to belittle your arguements regarding getting rid of Rafa because there all valid and fair enough ,i don't actually agree with alot of them but that's bye the bye . I'm trying my feckin hardest to get your all on board for what is the singular most important fight we've had since the Don't by the sun and justice for the 96 campaigns . The very future of our club is a stake and Rafa is insignificant compared to that .

Needless to say the owners mate ,baffles me how anyone could justify opting for anything else

OK let me give my reasons why I want rafa to leave first.

1) He has been backed by the owners with enough funds and has mostly bought the wrong players and focussed on the worng areas.

2) He is tactically inflexible.

3) He is tactically naiive against supposed weaker opposition and plays far too defensively.

4) He continues to play his favoured players even when it is obvious to everyone else they shouldn't be playing.

5) He is a meglomaniac control freak.

6) He never ever shows any emotion when we score a goal.

7) He comes across as a retard in television interviews, constantly repeating the same answer.

8) hmmm..... I'm sure there are more things but that will do for starters.

BTW I do ALSO want to get rid of the owners who are a bunch of lying pr1ck scumbags but the question was who to get rid of first and my answer is and for a long time has been Rafa but I am open to be convinced otherwise.

by **supersub** » Fri Mar 26, 2010 11:50 pm

heimdall wrote:
Dundalk wrote:If anyone votes Rafa they dont support Liverpool

If anyone votes owners they can't see the bigger picture and are blinded by doctrine.

WUM alert

by **Redman in wales** » Fri Mar 26, 2010 11:50 pm

Owners obviously. Easy answer to the poll.

Still want a change in manager though, as I really do believe (and this is just my personal opinion) that given the same set of circumstances and resourses we could be higher in the table under different leadership.

by **heimdall** » Fri Mar 26, 2010 11:51 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:
heimdall wrote:
Dundalk wrote:If anyone votes Rafa they dont support Liverpool

If anyone votes owners they can't see the bigger picture and are blinded by doctrine.

Can i ask why Heimdall ?

The doctrine is what SOS preach, far too many people on here don't form their own opinions on things but just regurgitate other people opinions and when you back them into a corner they lash out with cheap insults. For me both rafa and the owners are destroying the club but it is easier to replace Rafa and also I genuinely think he is the greater danger.

by **supersub** » Fri Mar 26, 2010 11:55 pm

heimdall wrote:
supersub wrote:
heimdall wrote:
Dundalk wrote:If anyone votes Rafa they dont support Liverpool

If anyone votes owners they can't see the bigger picture and are blinded by doctrine.

WUM alert

Ah there you are, my personal stalker on this forum, I've missed your unbiased moderating these past few days

bad move heimdall...you are suspended...I'm not a stalker,just replied to your pathetic post...

by **Igor Zidane** » Sat Mar 27, 2010 12:00 am

heimdall wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:
heimdall wrote:
Dundalk wrote:If anyone votes Rafa they dont support Liverpool

If anyone votes owners they can't see the bigger picture and are blinded by doctrine.

Can i ask why Heimdall ?

The doctrine is what SOS preach, far too many people on here don't form their own opinions on things but just regurgitate other people opinions and when you back them into a corner they lash out with cheap insults. For me both rafa and the owners are destroying the club but it is easier to replace Rafa and also I genuinely think he is the greater danger.

I'm sure people are big enough and smart enough to make there own minds up . If you want to call it a doctrine then that fine . The owners have done nothing but lie from the very first press conference , they have systematically undertook to take funds from the club to pay for the loans they had taken out to buy it .

Do you honestly think that will change witha new manager .

by **tubby** » Sat Mar 27, 2010 12:05 am

heimdall wrote:
RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:I just want to see where the forum lie's on this issue as i see this as the biggest issue faceing our club .

I can't vote , but you obviously know who i want rid of first THE OWNERS.

My reason's for this are not because i'm pro Rafa ,as i've said before . I've come to terms with the fact that he has gone in rthe summer anyway .

No matter who the manager is of our club now or in the future it is without a doubt in my mind that these owners of ours are the worst thing that has happened to our club since the Hillsborough disaster . That fact alone brings me and many others to the conclusion that we need to get rid pronto , before anything else we need these owners out .

Now you can blame Rafa for spending vast amounts on crud players or for playing boring footy or for not winning anything for 4 seasons . Surley to god though the very future of our club is more important than rafa or anyone .

By concentrating on the manager and his faults the owners are getting away with the ulimate accountibility which was bestowed upon them . In the grand scheme of things don't you think not winning anything or finishing outside the top four is less of a priority than the future of our club .

I'm honestly not trying to belittle your arguements regarding getting rid of Rafa because there all valid and fair enough ,i don't actually agree with alot of them but that's bye the bye . I'm trying my feckin hardest to get your all on board for what is the singular most important fight we've had since the Don't by the sun and justice for the 96 campaigns . The very future of our club is a stake and Rafa is insignificant compared to that .

Needless to say the owners mate ,baffles me how anyone could justify opting for anything else

OK let me give my reasons why I want rafa to leave first.

1) He has been backed by the owners with enough funds and has mostly bought the wrong players and focussed on the worng areas.

2) He is tactically inflexible.

3) He is tactically naiive against supposed weaker opposition and plays far too defensively.

4) He continues to play his favoured players even when it is obvious to everyone else they shouldn't be playing.

5) He is a meglomaniac control freak.

6) He never ever shows any emotion when we score a goal.

7) He comes across as a retard in television interviews, constantly repeating the same answer.

8) hmmm..... I'm sure there are more things but that will do for starters.

BTW I do ALSO want to get rid of the owners who are a bunch of lying pr1ck scumbags but the question was who to get rid of first and my answer is and for a long time has been Rafa but I am open to be convinced otherwise.

Excuse me but your answers give no valid reason as to why Rafa should go before the owners. Rather they are arguments for him to just go. The question was who should go first and why.

Instead you have basically said I want Rafa to go first and then the owners are :censored:

too.

Humor me for a moment (once you are unbanned of course). What if Rafa left, someone else came in and then Torres and/or Gerrard left in the summer as we failed to bring in any other decent players. What would you be saying then?

by **baldricks_cunning_plan** » Sat Mar 27, 2010 12:05 am

The owners, every single f*****g time.

They are the ones stopping the club progressing to the levels it can do by refusing to pump any substantial money into the club, landing hundreds of millions of debt upon our club, being unable to fund a new stadium and generally hampering us in every possible way.

Whichever way you look at it, the owners are haltering progress at Anfield.

Even if Rafa is to go first, I'd still want the owners out before whoever the new manager is. The owners have to go because they are ruining the club we all love, they are putting doubt on the future of our club, they have made us a laughing stock of world football and what's worse is they've disrespected us as fans. They've taken us as complete and utter k*******s who know nothing about football despite us being the most intelligent fans in the world. They thought we were unable to see past their promises that they failed to deliver. They thought we'd turn on our manager, the one man in authority fighting our cause, just because they said so.

We didn't and we won't. We know where the problems lie within our club and it starts at the very top. It starts with the owners.

For this club to prosper in the future we need things that those two c***s can't deliver. We need enough money to compete with the other top clubs in England and then across Europe. We need a new stadium to generate more revenue. And more importantly we need owners who respect the club, it's fans, it's traditions, it's history, it's manager and doesn't drag us through the s**t every couple of the months.

This isn't a toy for us fans, it's a way of f*****g life. We live, eat and breathe Liverpool Football Club. If these two p****s remain then there may be a chance that there isn't a Liverpool Football Club to live for. That's why it's imperative that we get shut of Tom Hicks and George Gillett.

Yanks Out!!!!!

by **NANNY RED** » Sat Mar 27, 2010 12:28 am

That is some fu.cking post lad :bowdown

Owners for me with out any shadow of a doubt

by **metalhead** » Sat Mar 27, 2010 12:28 am

The owners for me.. long term is more important than short term

by **bigmick** » Sat Mar 27, 2010 1:17 am

It's a strange question for me, which is the priority to get rid of. Clearly we'd be better off with different owners, but IMHO we'd be better off with a different manager as well. Given the chance I'd get rid of the lot to to be honest, and the first chance that comes up to get rid of any of them should be grabbed with both hands.
It does surprise me a bit though that the self same people who ask "but who else is there" whenever anyone discusses the manager, or tell us "it could be a lot worse under someone else" never offer up alternative owners or countenance the fact that things could be worse with different people in charge. Before we have a numptyfest, I'm not saying they would be worse, just that they could be. How? Well we could have been like the Mancs in the Summer, selling our best player for 80 million quid and only spending 18 million of it. As it was we were able to spend all of the money we brought in. Similarly at Arsenal, where they brought in 37 million and spent 10. Things could be worse I suppose.

So I don't have a priority really. I'm fully prepared to believe the opwners are a pair of sheisters who need to be rubbed out as quickly as possible, but I can see with my own eyes that the club is being chronically mismanaged on the playing side. Get rid of all of them I say, but as there's no "others" option its a no vote.

On a side note I see we're once again in the "call someone a name and if they dare respond then we ban them" situation. It's a shame as I thought we'd got all that out of our system last time. Hopefully Heimdall won't be on the sidelines too long. Although his opinion differs from everybody elses, it seems a bit harsh that he gets the treatment he does because of it.

by **tubby** » Sat Mar 27, 2010 1:26 am

bigmick wrote:It's a strange question for me, which is the priority to get rid of. Clearly we'd be better off with different owners, but IMHO we'd be better off with a different manager as well. Given the chance I'd get rid of the lot to to be honest, and the first chance that comes up to get rid of any of them should be grabbed with both hands.
It does surprise me a bit though that the self same people who ask "but who else is there" whenever anyone discusses the manager, or tell us "it could be a lot worse under someone else" never offer up alternative owners or countenance the fact that things could be worse with different people in charge. Before we have a numptyfest, I'm not saying they would be worse, just that they could be. How? Well we could have been like the Mancs in the Summer, selling our best player for 80 million quid and only spending 18 million of it. As it was we were able to spend all of the money we brought in. Similarly at Arsenal, where they brought in 37 million and spent 10. Things could be worse I suppose.

So I don't have a priority really. I'm fully prepared to believe the opwners are a pair of sheisters who need to be rubbed out as quickly as possible, but I can see with my own eyes that the club is being chronically mismanaged on the playing side. Get rid of all of them I say, but as there's no "others" option its a no vote.

On a side note I see we're once again in the "call someone a name and if they dare respond then we ban them" situation. It's a shame as I thought we'd got all that out of our system last time. Hopefully Heimdall won't be on the sidelines too long. Although his opinion differs from everybody elses, it seems a bit harsh that he gets the treatment he does because of it.

Heres another possible senario on how it could be worse.

Rafa goes.....and we bring in whatever yes man is willing to come in. The question you need to be asking Mick is what respectable manager who can win us the league would want the job and before you question that ask yourself if a manger who won la liga, the european cup, uefa cup and fa cup can't work under them then would anyone else really want to? From what we have heard Mourinho wouldn't, And yet you still think we can attract a decent manager?

So that only leaves a yes man, in which case wouldn't matter anyway as by that point we will have sold Torres and our target will be a top half finish.

Just remember we are proving hard to sell as it is and we have possibly the best striker in the world. Imagine how much harder it will be to sell if we even lose him and other top stars. We will end up worse than what we were potentially right now.

by **Fauxy** » Sat Mar 27, 2010 1:27 am

If we got rid of Rafa and kept the current owners then who would we buy?

We wouldnt be able to afford anyone like Mourinho, Hiddink etc and many managers wouldnt want to manage a team under major budget restriciton.

We get rid of the owners first then the club as a whole can start from scratch if we wanted.

Its a very easy question and i cant believe people would rather have Rafa out first....

by **Igor Zidane** » Sat Mar 27, 2010 1:28 am

bigmick wrote:It's a strange question for me, which is the priority to get rid of. Clearly we'd be better off with different owners, but IMHO we'd be better off with a different manager as well. Given the chance I'd get rid of the lot to to be honest, and the first chance that comes up to get rid of any of them should be grabbed with both hands.
It does surprise me a bit though that the self same people who ask "but who else is there" whenever anyone discusses the manager, or tell us "it could be a lot worse under someone else" never offer up alternative owners or countenance the fact that things could be worse with different people in charge. Before we have a numptyfest, I'm not saying they would be worse, just that they could be. How? Well we could have been like the Mancs in the Summer, selling our best player for 80 million quid and only spending 18 million of it. As it was we were able to spend all of the money we brought in. Similarly at Arsenal, where they brought in 37 million and spent 10. Things could be worse I suppose.

So I don't have a priority really. I'm fully prepared to believe the opwners are a pair of sheisters who need to be rubbed out as quickly as possible, but I can see with my own eyes that the club is being chronically mismanaged on the playing side. Get rid of all of them I say, but as there's no "others" option its a no vote.

On a side note I see we're once again in the "call someone a name and if they dare respond then we ban them" situation. It's a shame as I thought we'd got all that out of our system last time. Hopefully Heimdall won't be on the sidelines too long. Although his opinion differs from everybody elses, it seems a bit harsh that he gets the treatment he does because of it.

Do you worry about the future of the club under these owners Mick , or do you think it's a cunning ploy by pro rafa supporters to deflect attention away from the manager , in essence do you think we are making it up ? If the answer is yes then i think that's a pretty big blag by alot of people from a lot of parts of the world . If the answer is no ,then how can you put getting rid of rafa on the same level as getting rid of the owners .

I'll give you alternative owners aswell . You and me mate £500 a share , or £50 over ten months ,sorted.

Are you so concerned by who the manager is or is not or what he is at fault for that you say it is just as important as getting rid of the owners .

Lastly do you think SOS are a pro rafa movement ?

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