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by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 4:53 pm

So anyway after that small detour all around the houses ........ Dalglish anyone

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 4:54 pm

I just use capitals as I can't be ar$ed using the bold mate, not shouting, just using them for emphasis.

I don't think there are many that don't agree that the owners are and should be our main concern, but I do feel that our lack of success is exacerbating the situation. Failure in this seasons cups and especially the CL has added to our financial problems, and failure to qualify for next seasons CL will have an even greater impact. Less money means less investment in players, means less success etc etc.

So while changing the manager could be seen as peripheral to the main problem I believe it is a necessary step if we don't wish to accelerate our decline. Obviously new owners and/or new investment should still be our first priority.

by **teamleader1** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:03 pm

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:So anyway after that small detour all around the houses ........ Dalglish anyone

All day fkn long m8!

And I like you had the pleasure of watching all his Anfield carrier
But unlike you I have no fears for him, the mans not a legend for nothing
Your biggest problem would be he would show Rafa up

by **heimdall** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:15 pm

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:
Rockthekop wrote:There is no denying that the owners are part of the clubs current predictament off the field but to actually suggest they are responsible for ALL our problems is completely absurd

...who picks the team, who chooses to play negative football, who picks Lucas and Kuyt to play even when they are dire, who spent 20m on an injured midfielder and then bench him more often than not when he's fit, who can't motivate his players etc....

Seems to me that the blind faith of many of the supporters is more damaging to the club right now for backing a manager who clearly isn't up to the job than the owners.

Next time you feel the overwhelming need to educate us with your poignant thoughts may I suggest you desist and carry on your finger painting

What a mature post, posts like that contribute so much to healthy debate! Look if you haveing nothing constructive to add to an argument try something radical, do nothing.

Riddle me this though, if it is all the owners fault then how have we gone from a team that finished 2nd last season to a team that is currently in a battle for 6th place in the league, how is that all down to the owners and not the manager? You can say funds but none of the other teams, bar Citeh, had much more money than us last summer, so how is it the owners fault?

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:35 pm

s@int wrote:I just use capitals as I can't be ar$ed using the bold mate, not shouting, just using them for emphasis.

I don't think there are many that don't agree that the owners are and should be our main concern, but I do feel that our lack of success is exacerbating the situation. Failure in this seasons cups and especially the CL has added to our financial problems, and failure to qualify for next seasons CL will have an even greater impact. Less money means less investment in players, means less success etc etc.

So while changing the manager could be seen as peripheral to the main problem I believe it is a necessary step if we don't wish to accelerate our decline. Obviously new owners and/or new investment should still be our first priority.

I do respect how strong your feelings are towards this mate ,but what if in the not too distant future given our current regime the managers priorities are to simply keep us in the league ,as oppose to challenging for fourth place let alone warranting a run on the Title

I am not blinkered mate I know given our dilemma the manager who took the reins would have to be exceptional ,to challenge for the Title ,and its looking highly unlikely given our financial restraints that he (We all know who) will toy with the idea of virtually operating on a shoe string budget , so given that his probable decision will be made in accordance with the immeasurable wealth City would offer.

Next Season given the new managers priorities (If indeed there is a new man at the helm )what would be the fans hopes for that season would fans actually be happy fighting for fourth ,because with all due respect to some posters aspirations this season is not over ,we could still qualify for the Champions League and we could win the Uefa cup under Rafa

What if any would that scenario happening have on fans ,say the team finished this season playing the kind of football you used to so readily associate the Reds with mate and we played with aplomb ,what conclusions would you draw from that Saint
would you still advocate a new manager revamping the squad and injecting new life into it ,or would you keep the nucleus of what is a potentially great side and allow Benitez another season, given a new manager would have to take time to settle ,because personally I don't believe we could survive another five year plan ,and unless the one manager capable of coming in and challenging for the title doesn't materialize ,who in all honesty would take us further than the man we have in place already ?

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:45 pm

teamleader1 wrote:
RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:So anyway after that small detour all around the houses ........ Dalglish anyone

All day fkn long m8!

And I like you had the pleasure of watching all his Anfield carrier
But unlike you I have no fears for him, the mans not a legend for nothing
Your biggest problem would be he would show Rafa up

So you would have no qualms about the f*cking roots on forums calling him a clueless C*nt .... or being behind some crank in the Kop calling him a w@nker .... F*ck off if you feel half the pride I feel when people talk about the Legend that is Kenny Dalglish ,you would have to be restrained fella .... be truthful

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:47 pm

There was a lot of good debate between posters yesterday but i see thats impossible with certain posters on the board at the moment

There is nothing worse than people who post things which at the end of the day is just an opinion yet act as if its fact and its something everyone must agree with or they are wrong or its something that has to be done. At the end of the day its an opinion - lets try to be mature and not act like your opinion is anymore right than the next persons .

Just because someone backs the manager it doesnt mean they are any less of a person or a fan or a football fan than someone who is wanting him sacked .

Some people feel backing the manager is what the fans should do during bad times - just like we should back players during a bad time we should also be backing the manager - in my opinion of course and its what i will do - i certainly dont appreciate people telling me im any different just because i do .

by **teamleader1** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:50 pm

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:
s@int wrote:I just use capitals as I can't be ar$ed using the bold mate, not shouting, just using them for emphasis.

I don't think there are many that don't agree that the owners are and should be our main concern, but I do feel that our lack of success is exacerbating the situation. Failure in this seasons cups and especially the CL has added to our financial problems, and failure to qualify for next seasons CL will have an even greater impact. Less money means less investment in players, means less success etc etc.

So while changing the manager could be seen as peripheral to the main problem I believe it is a necessary step if we don't wish to accelerate our decline. Obviously new owners and/or new investment should still be our first priority.

I do respect how strong your feelings are towards this mate ,but what if in the not too distant future given our current regime the managers priorities are to simply keep us in the league ,as oppose to challenging for fourth place let alone warranting a run on the Title

I am not blinkered mate I know given our dilemma the manager who took the reins would have to be exceptional ,to challenge for the Title ,and its looking highly unlikely given our financial restraints that he (We all know who) will toy with the idea of virtually operating on a shoe string budget , so given that his probable decision will be made in accordance with the immeasurable wealth City would offer.

Next Season given the new managers priorities (If indeed there is a new man at the helm )what would be the fans hopes for that season would fans actually be happy fighting for fourth ,because with all due respect to some posters aspirations this season is not over ,we could still qualify for the Champions League and we could win the Uefa cup under Rafa

What if any would that scenario happening have on fans ,say the team finished this season playing the kind of football you used to so readily associate the Reds with mate and we played with aplomb ,what conclusions would you draw from that Saint
would you still advocate a new manager revamping the squad and injecting new life into it ,or would you keep the nucleus of what is a potentially great side and allow Benitez another season, given a new manager would have to take time to settle ,because personally I don't believe we could survive another five year plan ,and unless the one manager capable of coming in and challenging for the title doesn't materialize ,who in all honesty would take us further than the man we have in place already ?

Problem with that Red is the fact that the current manager has lost the plot and we are going backwards under him!
If we are lucky enough to get a class manager in and new investment I dont think it would take anywhere near 5yrs to get us right in the mix.

Rafa will have us a mid table outfit if hes given another couple of seasons.
Hes had most of the season to turn it around and he still hasnte come up with a plan B
Do you really think he will be any different next season?

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 6:19 pm

teamleader1 wrote:Do you really think he will be any different next season?

I shouldn't think this will come with much surprise??? but Yes I do

,and I honestly feel that he will be still in place to try ,however I do shudder to how exactly people are going to come to terms with those possible implications given the amount of histrionics they have produced on this forum not to mention the disgraceful abuse devoid of any respect ,but this is surely for the denigration of Benitez thread which I had originally assumed to numerous to mention ..... am I wrong ?

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:12 pm

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:
s@int wrote:I just use capitals as I can't be ar$ed using the bold mate, not shouting, just using them for emphasis.

I don't think there are many that don't agree that the owners are and should be our main concern, but I do feel that our lack of success is exacerbating the situation. Failure in this seasons cups and especially the CL has added to our financial problems, and failure to qualify for next seasons CL will have an even greater impact. Less money means less investment in players, means less success etc etc.

So while changing the manager could be seen as peripheral to the main problem I believe it is a necessary step if we don't wish to accelerate our decline. Obviously new owners and/or new investment should still be our first priority.

I do respect how strong your feelings are towards this mate ,but what if in the not too distant future given our current regime the managers priorities are to simply keep us in the league ,as oppose to challenging for fourth place let alone warranting a run on the Title

I am not blinkered mate I know given our dilemma the manager who took the reins would have to be exceptional ,to challenge for the Title ,and its looking highly unlikely given our financial restraints that he (We all know who) will toy with the idea of virtually operating on a shoe string budget , so given that his probable decision will be made in accordance with the immeasurable wealth City would offer.

Next Season given the new managers priorities (If indeed there is a new man at the helm )what would be the fans hopes for that season would fans actually be happy fighting for fourth ,because with all due respect to some posters aspirations this season is not over ,we could still qualify for the Champions League and we could win the Uefa cup under Rafa

What if any would that scenario happening have on fans ,say the team finished this season playing the kind of football you used to so readily associate the Reds with mate and we played with aplomb ,what conclusions would you draw from that Saint
would you still advocate a new manager revamping the squad and injecting new life into it ,or would you keep the nucleus of what is a potentially great side and allow Benitez another season, given a new manager would have to take time to settle ,because personally I don't believe we could survive another five year plan ,and unless the one manager capable of coming in and challenging for the title doesn't materialize ,who in all honesty would take us further than the man we have in place already ?

If we win the Europa cup I would expect Rafa to get another season. I don't want to cheer a manager for winning a trophy and then sack him at the final whistle. He would deserve another season even if my belief is that it may do more harm than good.

Not all managers need five year plans and time to settle mate, that is just put out by managers that can't do their job.

Mourinho has never needed a five year plan, Dalglish, Paisley, Fagan...... even Rafa.

As for who could take us further, I would expect many managers mate. The only trophies we have won have been with mainly Houlliers players, since building his own team we have won nothing. 6 years later we need 5 or 6 new players to be competative...... this after spending over £200million.

I don't need to go into the litany of what and where I think a new manager could improve on Rafa, suffice to say I believe there are bigger and better managers out there, just as I believe there are bigger and better players out there than some in our squad.

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:43 pm

Do you think Saint that if we (The Club and Fans )had not been so patient with the allotted time given to our past managers ,that we would have have had more success or comparatively less ? would the constant chopping and changing of Managers led us to arrive at the mix of attributes and skills needed to succeed at the highest level .... What do you think ?

I thought I would make my 1000th post a thought provoking one

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:55 pm

Who was the last Liverpool manager to go 4 seasons without a trophy? You are heading all the way back to Shankly mate. Times were very different then, and maybe, just maybe if Bob had taken over earlier we may have had even more success ...... something for you to ponder

Houllier had taken us as far as he could. Souness would have made things even worse than he did. Evans I would love to say yes, but in truth probably not. Dalglish we had no choice, Fagan no choice, Shankly no choice. So no mate if we had been more patient it would only have made things worse , and if we had been less patient Rafa would be gone and possibly Shankly

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 8:16 pm

I thought the football we played under Evans in an attacking sense ,most teams simply couldn't live with ,that said our glaring lack of any unity in defence was our eventual undoing ,but I like many fans let my heart rule my head in that case and Roy Evans was just simply too nice a fella to provoke any hostile abuse .

I thing in Souness's case he made too many radical changes to the wrong areas of the team ,as for Shanks well you simply could not believe given the mans demeanour that any one would doubt him ,but as regards the chopping and changing would the fans have endured years in the wilderness as say in the case of Tottenham ?

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 8:51 pm

I can honestly say I never ever heard anyone question Shank's position even during the long rebuilding period, same with Fagan and Dalglish. Paisley quite a number questioned both his appointment and his first year as manager. I think the end of Souness was the first time I ever wanted to change manager. Both Evans and Houllier I had faith in until the end (the missing piece every season

) , but I could see later that their time was up, so of the Liverpool managers there has been only Souness and Rafa that I have thought a change was required.

A long barren spell back then was very different than today where people throw money at the problem rather than building a team like Shankly did.

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 8:53 pm

So you didnt think a change was required with both Evans and GH ? How come ?

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