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by **rocky29** » Tue Mar 23, 2010 9:01 pm

Redman in wales wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
only me wrote:Quite disgusted with Rafa and his handling of our quality players ,i really am sick hearing of excuses and reasons for sending the guy away it's all BS compared to the big picture in which our manager sells our talents for less money killing us financely and proffesionaly.

Isn't there someone who could just stop him? This is really getting pathetic.

Here, hold on a f*cking second. I tell you what you do tomorrow when you go to work, school, or whatever: walk up to a teacher, fellow employee or your boss and smack him/her upside the head and see what happens. What's the odds saying you're kicked out/sacked the very same day or within the hour? Paddy Power says 2/1 on with no money back garauntee.

agree.

apart from the fact that the punch/slap incident happened in January, and he started a game soon after it happened. Then also made a couple of sub appearances as well.

ye we can stop rafa by protesting but the problem wiv our club is that its always half on his side and half not? unbelievable how people are still sticking up 4 him.

by **shabelle50** » Tue Mar 23, 2010 9:42 pm

Riera's form faded last season. Apart from the 5-0 Villa game he didn't exactly set things alight. Other than giving the team balance he was only a peripheral figure last season.

This year he's had injury troubles but back at the start Benitez challenged him and Babel to prove themselves. Riera just has never taken full backs on and given the team genuine width on the left.

While I don't agree with Didi Hamman's comments the other day I doubt that Riera will be missed too much if he leaves this week.

by **Fauxy** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 1:58 pm

I dont think Riera is consistent enough to play for us anyways.

He probably has one or two games out of ten were he plays really really well and then for the others he will be sh!te. To say those comments about Rafa out in public and to the media is just plain idiotic. Why not just speak with Rafa himself and ask to be transfer listed.. thats obviously what he wanted.

If we can get a good £8 Mill out of him i'd be happy to see him go.

by **bunglemark2** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:08 pm

Fauxy wrote:I dont think Riera is consistent enough to play for us anyways.

He probably has one or two games out of ten were he plays really really well and then for the others he will be sh!te. To say those comments about Rafa out in public and to the media is just plain idiotic. Why not just speak with Rafa himself and ask to be transfer listed.. thats obviously what he wanted.

If we can get a good £8 Mill out of him i'd be happy to see him go.

Agree with the first line of your comment. It used to melt my bleedin' head watching him cut in off the wing, and instead of making the killer pass, shoot straight at a defender or "pass" the ball into the stand....He can't score for shyte....
Good riddance if he's as disruptive as is alleged, though I wish someone would clarify - for me ! - what exactly he is supposed to have done.
Either way, his point about Rafa's man-management is very poignant...let's not go there though...

Still, I hope he freezes his nads off in Siberia....'cos no doubt he'll fall out over there as well.

by **7_Kewell** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:51 pm

although I agree he has to go, Reira is still twice the player Babel is

by **stmichael** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:51 pm

Fauxy wrote:I dont think Riera is consistent enough to play for us anyways.

He probably has one or two games out of ten were he plays really really well and then for the others he will be sh!te. To say those comments about Rafa out in public and to the media is just plain idiotic. Why not just speak with Rafa himself and ask to be transfer listed.. thats obviously what he wanted.

If we can get a good £8 Mill out of him i'd be happy to see him go.

Nail on head for me.

When he's on his game he's a very goo dplayer, gives us natural balance and helps us retain possession. The thing is, these performances are few and far between.

This season, with the exception of Spurs at home when I thought he played well, he's hardly taken his chances when they've arisen and as a result he's found himself out of the side.

by **metalhead** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 5:14 pm

tonyeh wrote:So what will you say when the same stuff is spouted in players autobiographies in a few years time.

Because, I can almost guarantee you, there will be some stories flying around in the not too distant future about Benitez's inept tenure at Anfield.

Really? How many ex-manc players did the samething with Sir Alex? I recall Van Nist doing the samething at the end of his Manc career. Van Nist was the top scorer for the Mancs in all his career, and did their f*cking fans went behind him on his attack? did they? I know they didn't and they went against him!

Van Nist was top scorer, so his attack might be justified. Riera was shyte this season. see the difference? so f*cking what if there were some stories coming out? the only people who will release such stories are the ones who had a poor relationship with the manager, and most of those players are shyte anyways. Do you see Torres attacking him? no, because he wants him to stay. Do you see Reina? No, because he has faith in his manager. Last time I heard that Carragher and Gerrard were praising Rafa to be the best coach to ever be with! especially Gerrard wrote this in his autobiography that he learnt Rafa's techniques later on! Toney, just because you dislike Benitez you become biased and stand with a player who offered shyte this season. You cannot humiliate the club in public. This is not an embarrassment to Rafa, this is more to the club because he is calling us a ''sinking ship''! Rafa is right to give him a hefty fine and sell him. Again, I want Rafa to go but this is not the way players should disrespect the fans, the club and the manager. NUFF SAID

by **tonyeh** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:15 pm

metalhead wrote:Toney, just because you dislike Benitez you become biased and stand with a player who offered shyte this season. You cannot humiliate the club in public.

1. I don't like nor dislike Benitez. However, I don't believe he is good for Liverpool F.C. and his time is well and truly up. Because, all we can expect from Benitez is more of the same. Boring football, negative direction, bizarre decisions and freaky mannerisms. As I said elsewhere, I though Liverpool had turned a corner at the end of last season. But this season was back to the same old conservatism that will never get the team the Premiership.

2. I ain't "standing" with anyone. Albert Riera was a good winger for us and he single handedly opened up our left flank, which before offered absolutely nothing. He could be hit and miss, for sure (like 95% of the team), but we are better off with him than without him. Unless, a top class winger will be bought to replace him. But I wouldn't hold your breath on that one and even if one is bought, there's no guarantee that Benitez will even play him properly.

tonyeh wrote:This is not an embarrassment to Rafa, this is more to the club because he is calling us a ''sinking ship''!

Riera's 100% correct in his criticism, although his method of imparting the information wasn't the best. Liverpool F.C. is a sinking ship and something needs to be done about it quick. Look at the heights the club ended last year with and the struggle that it faces today. THAT is a ship that's sinking. I have no problem with Riera's frank and honest assessment of the good ship Liverpool, because he's bang on. In addition, if the team continue on this path, it'll sink all the way to the Championship.

tonyeh wrote:Rafa is right to give him a hefty fine and sell him. Again, I want Rafa to go but this is not the way players should disrespect the fans, the club and the manager.

I don't agree with the way Benitez has handled the situation in any way shape or form, not to mention the fact that the cause of the dispute probably goes back to the way Benitez handles players in the team in the first place. However, yes, there should be one person running a team and that's the manager. I agree. However, Benitez's way of dealing with people on the team is totally destructive and as others have noted, it's becoming a really worrying trend.

And just because Riera blurted out his critism in the media, doesn't mean that everybody else is happy on board. Alonso wanted away because of the same crap from Benitez, Babel mouthed about his differences in the media too as did Benayoon last year if I recall correctly, Mascherano wanted away too up until recently, Torres issued an ultimatum in the press warning about the lack of support for him and I wouldn't be at all surprised if Gerrard has been thinking about jumping ship (sinking?) at the end of the season either.

All of that is indicative of the way this team is run on a ground level and at the end of it, the finger for the discomfort in the squard has to be pointed at the manager.

by **metalhead** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:51 pm

Tonyeh if you believe its critisicm then you need to read his words again. He basically went all personal against benitez, sabre said that the english media made the translation a little bit less harsh. He doesn't even criticise him but says "he turns a deaf ear" or calls him deaf. This is not criticism. The samething in the work place, you can't send an email to your boss cc everyone in the company including the CEO and call your boss deaf or shyte, ethically its INCORRECT. I have been working in the Human Resource field for almost. Year and a half now and I train people to be ethically and morally correct, especially when you have a problem with your boss, you just don't go there and abuse him in front of everyone! Riera actually damaged his reputation now with his outburst.

The difference between alonso and riera, that alonso did not go abuse him in the press or went against him. Did you see him criticisng the manager? He took it professionally and that what riera had to simply do, alonso said to the press that I have a proffessional relationship with rafa but I couldn't stay because some situations (barry saga) made me choose to leave. Now riera couldn't have put it simply that way? is it difficult to do?

No, you always keep your problems with your boss in private, its as simple as that and he deserved what ever he got.

by **tonyeh** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:48 pm

MH, I don't know where you're from, but saying someone is "turning a deaf ear" is not that harsh a criticism. It simply means that Benitez wasn't open to listening. It's not saying he's "deaf".

It's like saying somebody is "turning a blind eye", which is a euphemism for ignoring something. Which can also be levelled at Benitez.

There's nothing really that offensive in the remark.

Also, it doesn't matter a jot, that there's differences between Alonso or Riera (or any other disgruntled Liverpool player). The salient issue is the trend emerging in Benitez's handling of the players in the team he is supposed to be managing.

Alonso didn't have to go to the press and spill the beans. The simple fact of his leaving, when Liverpool riding high relatively speaking, spoke volumes about the manager.

In addition, sometimes keeping something private means that the situation doesn't change and that's no good foe the person with the issue. Boardrooms love "quiet chats" and "talks" behind closed doors, because nothing gets out and "they" remain in control. Even when that control is left wanting and serious questions should be asked.

Personally, I am of the opinion that Riera knew his days at Liverpool were numbered anyway and left Benitez with a parting shot.

The basic issue here is Benitez's way of dealing with the people he manages...everything else is smoke and mirrors.

by **anti-hero** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:32 am

football wise, it'd be a bad decision to let Riera go. FACT IS, he is our best left winger in the team.

and when he's on his game, when Rafa actually plays him, he gives us the balance and the length that we need. we're something different when we channel our plays to the sidelines and we have Riera picking the ball up and running away with it. ok, say we even get a pretty good amount for him, not selling short, around 8, 10 or 12 million maybe for an established Spanish International, who are we going to replace him with at this crucial time of the season?

Insua? Gerrard? Aurelio?

I guess both parties (rafa and riera) werent right in the first place. Why wouldnt rafa play albert when he knows he has full Spanish international at his disposal, one that offers the team a more attacking option? And why would Riera mouth off like a baby to the press instead of talking to Rafa privately? After Babel's twittergate he should've known better.

They're both culos.

by **Reg** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:00 pm

Was is Spatak that were after Yossi?
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Spartak Moscow eye move for Liverpool FC winger Albert Riera
25 Mar 2010 - 08:00:00

SPARTAK MOSCOW are ready to make Liverpool an offer to sign Albert Riera on loan - after their rivals CSKA ruled out a move for the winger.
It has been reported that Riera - who was suspended by Liverpool last week after launching an outspoken attack on boss Rafa Benitez - was on the verge of joining CSKA in a £6m deal.
However, CSKA have issued an abrupt statement to the contrary and made it quite clear they will not be doing any significant transfer business before the Russian window closes on April 8.
'We know that the CSKA brand is very attractive for any player who is searching for a new challenge but Albert Riera is not in our plans,' the club said last night.
'It has come as a surprise to us that we are interested in this player.'
But sources in the Russian capital have revealed that Spartak are interested in taking Riera on loan until June 30 with a view to signing him permanently in the summer.
Spartak would be able to offer Riera first team football, as they have a dearth of left-sided midfielders, while to increase their appeal, they are also guaranteed a place in next season's Champions League.
Liverpool are eager to offload Riera as quickly as possible after his declaration ahead of last week's Europa League tie against Lille that the club is 'a sinking ship'.

by **metalhead** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:25 pm

tonyeh wrote:MH, I don't know where you're from, but saying someone is "turning a deaf ear" is not that harsh a criticism. It simply means that Benitez wasn't open to listening. It's not saying he's "deaf".

It's like saying somebody is "turning a blind eye", which is a euphemism for ignoring something. Which can also be levelled at Benitez.

There's nothing really that offensive in the remark.

Also, it doesn't matter a jot, that there's differences between Alonso or Riera (or any other disgruntled Liverpool player). The salient issue is the trend emerging in Benitez's handling of the players in the team he is supposed to be managing.

Alonso didn't have to go to the press and spill the beans. The simple fact of his leaving, when Liverpool riding high relatively speaking, spoke volumes about the manager.

In addition, sometimes keeping something private means that the situation doesn't change and that's no good foe the person with the issue. Boardrooms love "quiet chats" and "talks" behind closed doors, because nothing gets out and "they" remain in control. Even when that control is left wanting and serious questions should be asked.

Personally, I am of the opinion that Riera knew his days at Liverpool were numbered anyway and left Benitez with a parting shot.

The basic issue here is Benitez's way of dealing with the people he manages...everything else is smoke and mirrors.

so what did you think when Barry did it to his manager Martin O'Neill back when he was in Aston Villa. Remember the attack on him so he can play for us? It was unprofessional.

It is simple really, it always works in private because you can just go to the manager's office, criticize him and hand in a transfer request.

Pretty simple isn't it?

by **zarababe** » Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:41 am

dawson99 wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:Ah well, if it's true he's on his way to CSKA it's a bit of a shame because he is a talented player but there are ways of expressing your footballing concerns to the manager without slating him in a public broadcast and to that extent he can have no complaints.

The managers hardly treated him well either...

another player leaving due to conflicts with Rafa...

Conflicts with Rafa.. what conflicts are ya talkin of?

Rafa's moved players on when realising they're not working out.. look at Keane, Crouch, Sissoko any regrets? I think not ..

F'k off Riera.. I'll knee him If I see him :angry:

by **tonyeh** » Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:06 am

zarababe wrote:F'k off Riera.. I'll knee him If I see him

Watch out, he might give you a slap.

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