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by **LFC2007** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 6:11 pm

bigmick wrote:Once we get onto calling him a "fecking disgrace" though, talk of him needing a good kick up the erse, of being behind Lucas in the player of the season rankings, saying he should be sold off, saying he's in it for the money, doesn't care about the club etc etc it borders on the absolutely bizarre.

Only thinking about the world cup.

by **JC_81** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 6:11 pm

LFC2007 wrote:He's been well below his usual, and at times he hasn't put the expected effort in. However much of that is accounted for by his groin problems, I'm convinced some of it is caused by the state the team is in and the fact that we're out of every competition we started in. For the most ambitious players and especially him, going from the highs of last season to the lows of this one, must have some effect. He's allowed a bit of leeway from me on that one.

For what he's done for us over the years, and for his general level of performance (set up our two best chances to equalise yesterday for instance) and ability, the criticism he receives is disproportionate e.g. imploring Rafa to drop him. Simply, too much focus on him and not enough on the real causes of our decline.

Agree with this.

The only other thing I would say though is that his body language has been disappointing for a club captain. I haven't been impressed by his form or at times his attitude on the pitch this season, but his heroics in the past do earn him some leeway as you say. He better snap out of it soon though for the good of the club.

As for Mick's suggestion that he has still been our best player this season... suffice to say I don't agree with this. Reina and perhaps Mascherano are the only two players who I think have played consistently well this season. Even Torres when he has played has been a spoiled brat arguing with officials all the time, despite his obvious brilliance when he puts his mind to it.

by **bigmick** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 6:16 pm

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:
RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:The point is the pain killing injections were hardly administered to the ridiculous extreme of before every game as suggested by some on this forum .... so the only question remaining is what is your point and a concise answer that would in general be appropriate to the format of the thread would be preferable

If he is even having to have one injection then he is obviously not fully fit.
Thats the point that some are trying to make.

Some but not all ,in fact some even made the implication he was receiving them before every game ,now you must admit that sort of statement is nothing short of laughable given the period of time between each injection

Firstly lets be brutally honest here, none of us know the true and full extent of his injury, we can only piece it together from press reports and snippets of interviews. The cortisone injections which appently he's been having are to cover a period of a few months at a time. Not literally "an injection before every match" granted because medical excellence has developed whereby a player can have a longer term fix. That said, it is quite possible and probable Gerrard is having multiple treatments on the affected area (including further pain killing injections) from week to week as the club seek to manage the task of getting him onto the pitch each week.

During this time, you can bet 100% he hasn't had a full weeks training for months, and is feeling a measure of pain each time he takes the field. The effect of the cortisone jabs will gradually disipate, to the extent where another one will become necessary. In the build up to the next jab, he will be in considerable discomfort I should think. When I played I was prone to injuries in a similar area to the one Gerrard is carrying, and I know it's really difficult to ever get it right again.

"Injections before every game"? Perhaps not, literally. But an injection effected performance every game since the injury? Definately. A player who puts himself before the club? B0ll0cks.

by **lakes10** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 6:25 pm

If he was honest about his injury he would not be picked for the World cup and miss ont on a good chance and might be his last chance to win the world cup.

i would also like to add that if you play with :censored:

then you often get coverd in carp, he is as only as good as the rest of the team can be.

It is ballshit to say one player makes a team, no it takes all the players to make a team, he can put the ball in on the spot and only to find that no one has made the ground with him....or stick it 10foot over the bar.

by **Rockthekop** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 6:27 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Carra stopped pplaying for England when he would of been going to major tournaments - turned down capello as well to return to the set up . Said he wanted to ensure his best days were for his club

Carragher was never going to be picked ahead of Terry or Ferdinand, that's why he retired. His chance of playing was remote.

Gerrard is first choice, he'll be playing in every game most likely. Would you honestly expect him to throw away what may be his last chance to play in the WC? I don't think so.

by **Emerald Red** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 6:53 pm

bigmick wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:You're starting to turn into a real arrogant b"stard, Mick. .

What's his example? Demanding to take every f*cking corner when he can't often beat the first man?

You Pleb. For someone who dishes out the abuse fella, you do talk some utter sh!t sometimes. Do you seriously think that anyone at a Premiership club can "demand" to take all the corners and get away with it . Don't you think that they practice this stuff in midweek, don't you think that there are assigned dead ball takers FFS? Do you think we get a free kick or a corner and players just say "Get out of the way silly b0ll0cks I'm taking it".

I know under this manager that we are at times so shambolic that it looks like everyone is making it up as they go along, but don't be fooled. During the week we practice stuff, it's not the Dog and Duck in division three of the local intermediate league.

"Demand to take all the corners" Feck me.

You do nothing but spout negativity after negativity, and to be honest, it's one of the very reasons why I don't post on here often considering when you lump all the othe negative sh*tes together, this place is as depressing as a funeral parlour and as comical as a stand up show at times. Don't think I haven't noticed or spotted the sarcastic undertones hidden in your posts, often disguised jabs at certain posters opinions instead of directly saying what you think, as I do. That's the difference - I don't pull any punches or beat around the bush. If I think you're talking balls, I'll tell you, not write a long-winded response that been posted over, and over and over. Different post, same tone. Usually the manager is sh*te, hasn't a clue, and anyone who defends the man is an inferior insect to the vast, all seeing, all knowing knowledge of Sir Mick You've lost the plot over your hang-ups.

by **lakes10** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 6:57 pm

Emerald Red wrote:(quote]
You do nothing but spout negativity after negativity, and to be honest, it's one of the very reasons why I don't post on here often(quote]

wow Mick at last we found a good reason to for you to get banned.

sorry Emerald

by **Emerald Red** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:00 pm

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:
RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:The point is the pain killing injections were hardly administered to the ridiculous extreme of before every game as suggested by some on this forum .... so the only question remaining is what is your point and a concise answer that would in general be appropriate to the format of the thread would be preferable

If he is even having to have one injection then he is obviously not fully fit.
Thats the point that some are trying to make.

Some but not all ,in fact some even made the implication he was receiving them before every game ,now you must admit that sort of statement is nothing short of laughable given the period of time between each injection

Correct. I was going to say something on the matter, but it doesn't matter. I'm obviously talking sh*te and wouldn't know what I'm talking about. However, it is of personal experience that if you've a groin problem, you don't mend it with "injections". You either just rest for a few weeks, or if it persists, get an op. Pain killin injections for months on end? What a load of bollox. Anyone ever had a groin problem in here?

by **Redman in wales** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:01 pm

Rockthekop wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Carra stopped pplaying for England when he would of been going to major tournaments - turned down capello as well to return to the set up . Said he wanted to ensure his best days were for his club

Carragher was never going to be picked ahead of Terry or Ferdinand, that's why he retired. His chance of playing was remote.

Gerrard is first choice, he'll be playing in every game most likely. Would you honestly expect him to throw away what may be his last chance to play in the WC? I don't think so.

agree with rockthekop. Carra retired when he was being messed around. only coming on as a sub, often at right back / left back. he wasn't first choice by any means. so he retired. Being first choice means a lot to him, as does playing regularly. He's even said he'll leave liverpool if he's not playing regularly. Its not neccaesarily a commitment to the club, more a commitment to play regular football in his favoured position.

by **Ben Patrick** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:07 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:
RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:The point is the pain killing injections were hardly administered to the ridiculous extreme of before every game as suggested by some on this forum .... so the only question remaining is what is your point and a concise answer that would in general be appropriate to the format of the thread would be preferable

If he is even having to have one injection then he is obviously not fully fit.
Thats the point that some are trying to make.

Some but not all ,in fact some even made the implication he was receiving them before every game ,now you must admit that sort of statement is nothing short of laughable given the period of time between each injection

Correct. I was going to say something on the matter, but it doesn't matter. I'm obviously talking sh*te and wouldn't know what I'm talking about. However, it is of personal experience that if you've a groin problem, you don't mend it with "injections". You either just rest for a few weeks, or if it persists, get an op. Pain killin injections for months on end? What a load of bollox. Anyone ever had a groin problem in here?

The amount of injections is not relevant to me.

Do you think he has been fit this season ?

by **Emerald Red** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:08 pm

lakes10 wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:(quote]
You do nothing but spout negativity after negativity, and to be honest, it's one of the very reasons why I don't post on here often(quote]

wow Mick at last we found a good reason to for you to get banned.

sorry Emerald

That wasn't a personal attack on him, Lakes. That's a general observation on the forum overall.

BTW, I support Liverpool FC. Not Rafa Benitez FC, or Steve G FC. However, it seems to be perfectly alright to slam the likes of Lucas, Insua, Kuyt etc etc, but being critical of Gerrard is not allowed? F*ck off! Some posters have this persistence to be critical of the manger also, but the sun shines out of our captains ar$se. Let me make it clear how I feel about this season: no one, the manager, players, owners alike is immune to being critised for this season. It's the scapegoating and the biase towards certain factions that gets on my very t*ts! There difference is, you can be critical of a player because you can see before your very eyes the job they do out there on the field. I've not seen anyone advocate the sale of Gerrard, and anyone who does is a bloody eejit. It does, however, seem acceptable to call for the manager's head at every turn, or even go as far as blaming the manager for said poor performances? Aye, f*cking dead on!

by **Zidane** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:08 pm

Well speaking for me personally, the criticism I give him has always been there. It didn't just pop up this season and it has always been part of his character to whinge a lot on the pitch and have a moan about this or that to teammates. His body language and effort have always depended on how the team is playing and if he's getting his. He can be very selfish every so often and this is the only criticism I have of him. And this is why people have been so critical of him this season, when we've needed him most he has gone missing or has been a negative on the pitch for us. Whatever you want to make the reason of that is up to you but it is there for all to see.

It's nothing new though like Bob said earlier in the thread, this is Stevie and we've had to live with the negatives that come with the positives. This season though all we've had from him are negatives so it's only natural that he will be criticized more heavily.

by **Emerald Red** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:11 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:
RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:The point is the pain killing injections were hardly administered to the ridiculous extreme of before every game as suggested by some on this forum .... so the only question remaining is what is your point and a concise answer that would in general be appropriate to the format of the thread would be preferable

If he is even having to have one injection then he is obviously not fully fit.
Thats the point that some are trying to make.

Some but not all ,in fact some even made the implication he was receiving them before every game ,now you must admit that sort of statement is nothing short of laughable given the period of time between each injection

Correct. I was going to say something on the matter, but it doesn't matter. I'm obviously talking sh*te and wouldn't know what I'm talking about. However, it is of personal experience that if you've a groin problem, you don't mend it with "injections". You either just rest for a few weeks, or if it persists, get an op. Pain killin injections for months on end? What a load of bollox. Anyone ever had a groin problem in here?

Do you think he has been fit this season ?

Yes! He's played enough games since his injury and he trains every day, so yes, he's been fit. His head is in other places.

by **Reg** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:15 pm

Rafa, Stevie... who are we going to turn on next? Lets blame Shanks ffs...... :angry:

by **Emerald Red** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:24 pm

Reg wrote:Rafa, Stevie... who are we going to turn on next? Lets blame Shanks ffs......

Wouldn't go as far as saying "to turn on" but the word "frustrated" is more apt.

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