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Igor Zidane wrote:

bigmick wrote:After the Aquilani, Keane and Dossena debacles it would be asking a lot of any owners to not only keep the manager but to give him a huge warchest to spend. After his transfer dealings of the last couple of seasons, would you seriously trust him with huge funds because I know I definately wouldn't. In both of the last two closed seasons we have spent in the region of 40 million quid, and still we find ourselves in a situation where Lucas is considered amongst our first choice midfielders and N'Gog is considered second choice striker.

Yes we need investment, but we need to spend whatever money we do have wisely. Having spent the money, we need to actually play the players we have bought (after all, if we don't think they're good enough why buy them in the first place?). When we do play them, we need to adopt a much more expansive outlook.

Lets face it, for all or any of that to happen we need a new manager. Torres is hardly likely to come out and say so, but IMHo when he basically says we haven't got good enough players at the club already it's hardly a ringing endorsement of the manager and his transfer dealings. Get the right man in and back him, it has to be the way to go.

Not about Rafa anymore or Aquilani ,it's about the investement in the playing staff for the last three transfer windows and the next three whomever the manager is . Maybe the likes of your goodself mick will understand that The Rafa debate and 442 or whatever are just a side issue .Side issues and distractions from the bigger picture and  the more pressing concern and issue . The future of the club under our current owners . For all Rafa's faults and  for the shItty season we're having this year it pales into insignificants compared to what's going to happen in future seasons under these owners and whomever the manager is . You will look back on these last five years with far more endearment when we are a mid table side looking up at the other teams competeing for the trophies. Better start thinking about that is my advice , to late for Rafa now and possibly Gerrard and Torres
,not to late for the club though .

Fully agree Igor.

This issue now transcends Rafa, Gerrard or any of our players. The we are in is HUGE, I am honestly starting to think that these rabbid dogs we have as owners are secretly Manure supporters, as I can't see an actual manure supporter doing any better to ruin our club then tweedle-f**k and tweedle-gof**kyourselfevenharder.

Who knows what disaster we face in the next few months let alone the next few years. This is no doubt our darkest hour.

Igor Zidane wrote:

bigmick wrote:After the Aquilani, Keane and Dossena debacles it would be asking a lot of any owners to not only keep the manager but to give him a huge warchest to spend. After his transfer dealings of the last couple of seasons, would you seriously trust him with huge funds because I know I definately wouldn't. In both of the last two closed seasons we have spent in the region of 40 million quid, and still we find ourselves in a situation where Lucas is considered amongst our first choice midfielders and N'Gog is considered second choice striker.

Yes we need investment, but we need to spend whatever money we do have wisely. Having spent the money, we need to actually play the players we have bought (after all, if we don't think they're good enough why buy them in the first place?). When we do play them, we need to adopt a much more expansive outlook.

Lets face it, for all or any of that to happen we need a new manager. Torres is hardly likely to come out and say so, but IMHo when he basically says we haven't got good enough players at the club already it's hardly a ringing endorsement of the manager and his transfer dealings. Get the right man in and back him, it has to be the way to go.

Not about Rafa anymore or Aquilani ,it's about the investement in the playing staff for the last three transfer windows and the next three whomever the manager is . Maybe the likes of your goodself mick will understand that The Rafa debate and 442 or whatever are just a side issue .Side issues and distractions from the bigger picture and  the more pressing concern and issue . The future of the club under our current owners . For all Rafa's faults and  for the shItty season we're having this year it pales into insignificants compared to what's going to happen in future seasons under these owners and whomever the manager is . You will look back on these last five years with far more endearment when we are a mid table side looking up at the other teams competeing for the trophies. Better start thinking about that is my advice , to late for Rafa now and possibly Gerrard and Torres
,not to late for the club though .

Well said....bring in Mourinho and all that shi'te talk is sickening and to be honest blinkered desperation from people that want a quick fix to a big problem.

The reality is there is no quick fix,we cant amd we wont bring in Jose..we cannot afford him and even if we stretched out and paid him he would not come anyway..why?Cause there is no money available..its a no goer!

Im sick reading posts from the likes of BigMick saying sack Rafa bring in Jose(and its not a personal attack before you go crying and feel all picked on and conspired against Micky)..Its just annoying that people can come off with such sh,ite and think its practical to bring one of the most expensive and financially demanding managers in the world to a club with no money!

Sorry but we are in dire straights here...its gonna take a bit of thinking outside the box and forget your fantasies!

No chance we will ever see Jose here under these two clowns! sake i wouldnt manage us with them owning us and i love the club

eds wrote:

Igor Zidane wrote:

bigmick wrote:After the Aquilani, Keane and Dossena debacles it would be asking a lot of any owners to not only keep the manager but to give him a huge warchest to spend. After his transfer dealings of the last couple of seasons, would you seriously trust him with huge funds because I know I definately wouldn't. In both of the last two closed seasons we have spent in the region of 40 million quid, and still we find ourselves in a situation where Lucas is considered amongst our first choice midfielders and N'Gog is considered second choice striker.

Yes we need investment, but we need to spend whatever money we do have wisely. Having spent the money, we need to actually play the players we have bought (after all, if we don't think they're good enough why buy them in the first place?). When we do play them, we need to adopt a much more expansive outlook.

Lets face it, for all or any of that to happen we need a new manager. Torres is hardly likely to come out and say so, but IMHo when he basically says we haven't got good enough players at the club already it's hardly a ringing endorsement of the manager and his transfer dealings. Get the right man in and back him, it has to be the way to go.

Not about Rafa anymore or Aquilani ,it's about the investement in the playing staff for the last three transfer windows and the next three whomever the manager is . Maybe the likes of your goodself mick will understand that The Rafa debate and 442 or whatever are just a side issue .Side issues and distractions from the bigger picture and  the more pressing concern and issue . The future of the club under our current owners . For all Rafa's faults and  for the shItty season we're having this year it pales into insignificants compared to what's going to happen in future seasons under these owners and whomever the manager is . You will look back on these last five years with far more endearment when we are a mid table side looking up at the other teams competeing for the trophies. Better start thinking about that is my advice , to late for Rafa now and possibly Gerrard and Torres
,not to late for the club though .

Fully agree Igor.

This issue now transcends Rafa, Gerrard or any of our players. The we are in is HUGE, I am honestly starting to think that these rabbid dogs we have as owners are secretly Manure supporters, as I can't see an actual manure supporter doing any better to ruin our club then tweedle-f**k and tweedle-gof**kyourselfevenharder.

Who knows what disaster we face in the next few months let alone the next few years. This is no doubt our darkest hour.

carmonkeycasino wrote:Torres is a model professional - respects the club, respects the fans and respects himself - hence if he does leave i'm in the same boat as Aussie Style, he deserves the best!

eds wrote:

fivecups wrote:

bavlondon wrote:If we went bankrupt what exactly would happen to Hicks on a personal level? Can he just walk away and start from scrath whilst the club suffers or will he be forced to pay out of his own pocket?

My understanding of this was that the debt which is stifling the club so much is in a company called Kop Holdings which is effectively the club.

As far as I can see these American are stereotypical business fat cats. The dollar is the ONLY thing that matters, the only thing they understand. They care nothing for the club, it's history or it's fans. They are experts in business and debt leverage.

They conned the current owner with their spin and bought the club with borrowed money. They very quickly raised as much money from their ownership of the club as they could, a huge sum in an era of questionable business practice. They paid off their own loans and put all these new loans on the club creating huge debt and huge interest payments. If the club does well, prospers, get back to it's glory days, they profit. If it doesn't and declines into midtable mediocrity or worse, collapses into an uncontrollable nosedive and goes into administration then the club is bankrupt, not the owners.

That is how I see the tragedy of allowing the current owners anywhere near our club.

And that is why Moores should hang himself!

If he refuses to then we shoot the whimpering dog.

shawnk wrote:

carmonkeycasino wrote:Torres is a model professional - respects the club, respects the fans and respects himself - hence if he does leave i'm in the same boat as Aussie Style, he deserves the best!

Same here. I would just cheer him on and hopefully he gets some trophy under his belt before he retires. He's a real professional and a world class striker.

Greavesie wrote:omg just seen this thread now. This has got to be the straw that breaks the camels back. Rafa's been a mug as well in this. Torres called for players like Silva and Villa and Rafa just hasnt responded at all. Nando deserves better than this, he really does. Hope he gives it time

Greavesie wrote:omg just seen this thread now. This has got to be the straw that breaks the camels back. Rafa's been a mug as well in this. Torres called for players like Silva and Villa and Rafa just hasnt responded at all. Nando deserves better than this, he really does. Hope he gives it time

bavlondon wrote:Rafa does need to shoulder some blame for things but in the context of the situation he is the least of the clubs worries right now. He is still committed to the cause so he should be left alone right now. Rafa or not though if we do not get this financial situation sorted then it will be game over for us.

I just cannot understand why they persist in hanging onto the club. Are they thinking that if they claw onto us that we will suddenly start winning tropheys?

If we went bankrupt what exactly would happen to Hicks on a personal level? Can he just walk away and start from scrath whilst the club suffers or will he be forced to pay out of his own pocket?

The closer we get to the end of the season with things as they are the more pressure will surley be building on those 2.

Heimdall you and others mentioned you thought that if Rafa went and another manager came in he could do a lot better with the same players as current? What now is your response to the comments from Torres? 

I thnk that is what Torres was saying, that a new manager might convince him to stay otherwsie he is off. I think the players have a lot less respect for Rafa than you do and Rafa is a long long way from being the least of our problems. With all due respect do you actually watch the matcehs? Do you not see how we are, do you think it's all the owners fault and not Rafa's? It's just amazing how you continue to defend Rafa all the time, do you maybe like to watch bland unispiring football.