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by **Live4pool** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 10:38 am

If it has to be a Scouser buying Pool, then pray that the white knight is a mega-rich bloke. 100mil is loose change compared to what the Chelsea have already spent (albeit unwisely).
Mogan just wouldn't do. Perhaps, Parry ought to give Paul McCartney a tinker.

by **Starbridge42** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 10:55 am

Yes but the point remains that if someone invests that sorta cash then their going to want a certain level of control of their investment, for security if nothing else. Whoever it is must now about not only football, the history of liverpool fc but also about marketting. If this bid is really by a Liverpool boy living in America then it just makes it seem more attractive from my point of view as he would have a higher probability of having those 3 attributes. Plus if he's American based it would be easier to tap into the mega-rich American sports market.

by **Leonmc0708** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 10:56 am

Starbridge42 wrote:Yes but the point remains that if someone invests that sorta cash then their going to want a certain level of control of their investment, for security if nothing else. Whoever it is must now about not only football, the history of liverpool fc but also about marketting. If this bid is really by a Liverpool boy living in America then it just makes it seem more attractive from my point of view as he would have a higher probability of having those 3 attributes. Plus if he's American based it would be easier to tap into the mega-rich American sports market.

An excellent point, well made.

by **Roger Red Hat** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 11:14 am

ahhh right, I wasn't aware that he was a 'pool lad. I must admit I've not carefully read all the facts, but I would hate to become Americanised.

Although, Wendy burgers at half time & cheer leaders before games sounds ok. I don't want the game to stop every 10mins for an advert break though!! :;):

by **blind** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 11:16 am

Starbridge42 wrote:Yes but the point remains that if someone invests that sorta cash then their going to want a certain level of control of their investment, for security if nothing else. Whoever it is must now about not only football, the history of liverpool fc but also about marketting. If this bid is really by a Liverpool boy living in America then it just makes it seem more attractive from my point of view as he would have a higher probability of having those 3 attributes. Plus if he's American based it would be easier to tap into the mega-rich American sports market.

good piont like leon says but also we have to be very aware that although he may profess his undying love for the club he is in a very ruthless business and will expect to make a good return on his investment as well as the control that you talked about.

Morgan does have enough money if he wanted to take it over himself but he has always wanted to keep the club as close to the fans as possable and that is to be commended and i think he is still our most realistic investment opportunity as he already has money in the club and has done for years. This new guy may not be as rich as Abramovich but he will still expect the same kind of results.
Morgan has only stated that he wanted to help raise the funds buy way of a share issue and he would increase his own stake in thse club and underright the issue. This would leave Moores having to get his hand out of his pocket to retain his control and Morgans pressance on the board. Now we all knowe hopw the two of them feel about each other but i think that unless they can find a way of working together Morgan's bid will always be dead. This new bid or pottential bid sounds like it is an outright take over buying out Moores. And @ £100 million i would say that is too cheap as if they refusedMorgans £73 mill investment plan as being valuing the club too cheaply then this amounts to the same thing.

by **Leonmc0708** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 11:18 am

blind wrote:good piont like leon says but also we have to be very aware that although he may profess his undying love for the club he is in a very ruthless business and will expect to make a good return on his investment as well as the control that you talked about.

Yes but he also knows, from being in that particular industry that you have to invest plenty, (£100m plus in films) to get the right returns.

by **Live4pool** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 11:28 am

Scouser or not, the motivation is still commercial. Much could be attributed with Pool's successful summer trip in the US.
US is an untapped market for European soccer and the EPL has the best potential considering how Americans will lap up anything English. Perhaps, the way to promote English soccer is to produce movies with soccer themes, like " Bend it like Beckham", which did quite well in the US. This Jeffries guy has the film-making connections to promote Pool.

Currently Pool is unable to compete on the transfer market. If the money doesn't come in before Jan, it will definitely be another year of playing the third bridesmaid.

by **stmichael** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 11:30 am

after what has gone before, i wouldn't get my hopes up too high

by **maximus** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 11:36 am

blind wrote:
Starbridge42 wrote:Yes but the point remains that if someone invests that sorta cash then their going to want a certain level of control of their investment, for security if nothing else. Whoever it is must now about not only football, the history of liverpool fc but also about marketting. If this bid is really by a Liverpool boy living in America then it just makes it seem more attractive from my point of view as he would have a higher probability of having those 3 attributes. Plus if he's American based it would be easier to tap into the mega-rich American sports market.

good piont like leon says but also we have to be very aware that although he may profess his undying love for the club he is in a very ruthless business and will expect to make a good return on his investment as well as the control that you talked about.

Morgan does have enough money if he wanted to take it over himself but he has always wanted to keep the club as close to the fans as possable and that is to be commended and i think he is still our most realistic investment opportunity as he already has money in the club and has done for years. This new guy may not be as rich as Abramovich but he will still expect the same kind of results.
Morgan has only stated that he wanted to help raise the funds buy way of a share issue and he would increase his own stake in thse club and underright the issue. This would leave Moores having to get his hand out of his pocket to retain his control and Morgans pressance on the board. Now we all knowe hopw the two of them feel about each other but i think that unless they can find a way of working together Morgan's bid will always be dead. This new bid or pottential bid sounds like it is an outright take over buying out Moores. And @ £100 million i would say that is too cheap as if they refusedMorgans £73 mill investment plan as being valuing the club too cheaply then this amounts to the same thing.

Dont kid yourself about Morgan. Yes he is an LFC fan at heart, and a devoted one at that. He will indeed want a return on his investment. No one puts that kind of money in a club just because they love the club.

That is in my opinion where Morgan is too dangerous as an investor, because he 'loves' the club, he will no doubt think he knows whats best for the club on the field, youth academy e.t.c.

Whereas a 'third party investor' say in the states, yes will again want a return on the investment, but IMO will be more likely to leave on the field politics and issues to the management team i.e. Benitez and his backroom staff, without interfering................................too much.

by **stmichael** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 11:40 am

morgans bid was always going to fail because his original bid severely undervalued the club. infact moores saw the bid as almost embarassing. it was also clear that morgan wanted to have a say on the transfers at the club and there was no way that moores would allow that either. that is the managers job.

by **Live4pool** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 11:56 am

maximus wrote:
blind wrote:
Starbridge42 wrote:Yes but the point remains that if someone invests that sorta cash then their going to want a certain level of control of their investment, for security if nothing else. Whoever it is must now about not only football, the history of liverpool fc but also about marketting. If this bid is really by a Liverpool boy living in America then it just makes it seem more attractive from my point of view as he would have a higher probability of having those 3 attributes. Plus if he's American based it would be easier to tap into the mega-rich American sports market.

good piont like leon says but also we have to be very aware that although he may profess his undying love for the club he is in a very ruthless business and will expect to make a good return on his investment as well as the control that you talked about.

Morgan does have enough money if he wanted to take it over himself but he has always wanted to keep the club as close to the fans as possable and that is to be commended and i think he is still our most realistic investment opportunity as he already has money in the club and has done for years. This new guy may not be as rich as Abramovich but he will still expect the same kind of results.
Morgan has only stated that he wanted to help raise the funds buy way of a share issue and he would increase his own stake in thse club and underright the issue. This would leave Moores having to get his hand out of his pocket to retain his control and Morgans pressance on the board. Now we all knowe hopw the two of them feel about each other but i think that unless they can find a way of working together Morgan's bid will always be dead. This new bid or pottential bid sounds like it is an outright take over buying out Moores. And @ £100 million i would say that is too cheap as if they refusedMorgans £73 mill investment plan as being valuing the club too cheaply then this amounts to the same thing.

Dont kid yourself about Morgan. Yes he is an LFC fan at heart, and a devoted one at that. He will indeed want a return on his investment. No one puts that kind of money in a club just because they love the club.

That is in my opinion where Morgan is too dangerous as an investor, because he 'loves' the club, he will no doubt think he knows whats best for the club on the field, youth academy e.t.c.

Whereas a 'third party investor' say in the states, yes will again want a return on the investment, but IMO will be more likely to leave on the field politics and issues to the management team i.e. Benitez and his backroom staff, without interfering................................too much.

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Yeap, just imagine what it will be like in the boardroom with Moores and Morgan. The board room politics will surely KILL Liverpool's progress.

What Pool need is money - not meddling by businessmen.
Liverpool management should be allowed to get on with the job of running the football club. The Peripheral stakeholders are more useful to reap in money through franchising in foreign lands. In fact, beside the US connection, Pool should still consider selling (albeit) a much lower stake to the Thais as the big markets in Asia are beckoning to be tapped.

by **stmichael** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 12:12 pm

breaking news on the bbc website

Steve Morgan has questioned a possible rival bid of £100m for Liverpool by two US-based entertainment executives with Merseyside roots.
Building tycoon Morgan is the third largest shareholder in the Anfield club and has a £70m offer on the table.

"It seems rather a lot of money and from people nobody has heard of before," said a spokesman for Morgan.

"It's interesting that the speculation comes when a film is being made on football by them."

Thai bid for Reds may fail

The complications of Morgan's bid caused it to fall through and a new offer from a fourth suitor this year.

This year, Liverpool have been targeted by a Thai media mogul and the Thai Prime Minister, Morgan and now Mike Jefferies.

Jefferies said he has been talking to the club for the last six weeks.

He is in partnership with Stuart Ford, an entertainment lawyer also based in the USA.

"We would like to be able to contribute to helping Liverpool become the most successful club in the world again," Jefferies told The Financial Times, which reports the bid is worth £100m.

Jefferies told BBC Radio Five Live he has not put a time frame on any potential bid but says that if Liverpool want to capitalise on the transfer market in January then they have to act now.

The duo are said to be keen to buyout the Moores family, who own 51.6% of the club, but they are reported to be keen to retain the involvement of chairman David Moores.

Jefferies is chairman of Milkshake Films, the company making 'Goal!' - a movie about a South American footballer who comes to the English Premiership.

The film is being shot partly on location at Newcastle's St James' Park and is due to be released in August 2005.

by **maximus** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 12:21 pm

stmichael wrote:breaking news on the bbc website

Steve Morgan has questioned a possible rival bid of £100m for Liverpool by two US-based entertainment executives with Merseyside roots.
Building tycoon Morgan is the third largest shareholder in the Anfield club and has a £70m offer on the table.

"It seems rather a lot of money and from people nobody has heard of before," said a spokesman for Morgan.

I bet thats what they said about Abramovich and Chelsea

by **maximus** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 12:23 pm

maximus wrote:
stmichael wrote:breaking news on the bbc website

Steve Morgan has questioned a possible rival bid of £100m for Liverpool by two US-based entertainment executives with Merseyside roots.
Building tycoon Morgan is the third largest shareholder in the Anfield club and has a £70m offer on the table.

"It seems rather a lot of money and from people nobody has heard of before," said a spokesman for Morgan.

I bet thats what they said about Abramovich and Chelsea

Obviously not the spokesman for Morgan that is

by **Paul C** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 12:23 pm

maximus wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
Paul C wrote:I'm getting too excited, this happens when I think about men

YOU WHAT

Leon, are you messing with Mr C's Mojo

You muppet

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