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by **Lando_Griffin** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 6:46 pm

dawson99 wrote:Our problems aren't on the field

Listen, dickhead; The reasons we have 3rd rate back-up is because we pay 3rd rate prices.

I suppose I'm wasting my time expecting a serial div like you to realise that these problems are caused by the owners.

by **andy_g** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 7:22 pm

how does your argument bear up to the fact that we have bought 2 £20million players in the last year (keane and aquilani) that have hardly been able to get a game between them and have recently spent £17 on a fullback? is it because we don't have the money or because we don't use the money, and the resources made available to us with the money, wisely?

by **andy_g** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 7:23 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:
andy_g wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:The fact is that anyone expressing anti-Liverpool manager sentiments will always be p*ssing into the wind on here. We're not here to sulk and to try and get one of the best managers in the World to leave the club he clearly has a lot of affection for. Anyone with even half a brain can see that our problems aren't on the field - if they were, do you think Pepe would have signed his latest deal?

It's time for the antis to grow some b*llocks and knuckle down for the fight. I expect most of them are just annoyed at having fans of other teams chuckle a our current financial predicament. The problem is, they are as clueless as the people they're talking to...

if i had to go to war i'd have you by my side in an instant. if i wanted intelligent debate about anything, i'd probably prefer a potato.

Is that because a potato is the only object unable to bring more to the debate than yourself?

i rest my case

by **Ben Patrick** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 10:18 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:
dawson99 wrote:Our problems aren't on the field

Listen, dickhead; The reasons we have 3rd rate back-up is because we pay 3rd rate prices.

I suppose I'm wasting my time expecting a serial div like you to realise that these problems are caused by the owners.

Lando world must be lovely.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 11:10 pm

You people are unbelievable - you harp on about burying heads in sand, yet you catagorically fail to acknowledge the facts:

1. In "big club" terms, we are the poorest club.

2. The vast majority of the keane money was recouped when we sold him.

3. This went to pay the £10m we actually paid for Johnson.

4. The £5m we have thusfar spent on Aquilani was as a result of selling Alonso for a nigh-on 300% profit.

But still - keep firing these bullets, ladies - I suppose I bring nothing to the debate... :sleep

by **Ben Patrick** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 1:26 am

regardless of what money has been made available the poor state of the squad is still the managers fault.

And if you think he has done as good as he could in building and shaping the squad then your expectations are miles lower than mine.

by **laza** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 4:05 am

NANNY RED wrote:No Laza it was just an excuse for me to get chatted up in interactive by some dyke.

Oh no that's exactly how Stalin got started :no

by **Lando_Griffin** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 4:16 am

Ben Patrick wrote:regardless of what money has been made available the poor state of the squad is still the managers fault.

And if you think he has done as good as he could in building and shaping the squad then your expectations are miles lower than mine.

Time for you to let reality hot
home, pal. No manager in history has had every buy come off, every decision work or every gamble pay off.

You need to stop thinking like a f*cking child and start acting like a man. The World wasn't created to give Liverpool FC trophies - we have no devine right. Like it or lump it, since Roman Moneybags flew in, there has been at least 2 other teams able to out-spend our own, even before Rafa arrived here. Both those teams and Arsenal as well had much better squads than ours. They add £30m players to warm the bench - we pay £5m for first teamers, with one or two notable exceptions.

Keane was a f*ck up, but even then the catastrophe cost us around £1m in the end.

Name me 3 Rafa buys worse than £28.1m for Veron. Or £30m for Berbatov. Go on - I challenge you.

by **andy_g** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 9:29 am

lando, i'm not going to go any further into this debate because it has been done to death and thrown up various opinions. although i think you'll find that there have been more than one or two notable exceptions to the over £5 million players. if you think that the (not inconsiderable) amount of money that rafa has had over the last 5 years has been well spent, and that the players brought in over that time have all been the right players, and that those players have then been used in the right way, then good for you. keep on with your cheerleader act and be happy.

there are many others that, not without reason, believe that after 5 years we should be stronger and better than we are now. and that after the 'oh so nearly' season we had last time we really should have properly replaced our outstanding midfielder and had some proper striking options for the inevitable periods when torres would be out. its time for you to stop acting like a child and accept that. the majority of people on here who question rafa and his style of management have the ability to say so without having a toddler tantrum.

by **dawson99** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:16 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:regardless of what money has been made available the poor state of the squad is still the managers fault.

And if you think he has done as good as he could in building and shaping the squad then your expectations are miles lower than mine.

Time for you to let reality hot
home, pal. No manager in history has had every buy come off, every decision work or every gamble pay off.

You need to stop thinking like a f*cking child and start acting like a man. The World wasn't created to give Liverpool FC trophies - we have no devine right. Like it or lump it, since Roman Moneybags flew in, there has been at least 2 other teams able to out-spend our own, even before Rafa arrived here. Both those teams and Arsenal as well had much better squads than ours. They add £30m players to warm the bench - we pay £5m for first teamers, with one or two notable exceptions.

Keane was a f*ck up, but even then the catastrophe cost us around £1m in the end.

Name me 3 Rafa buys worse than £28.1m for Veron. Or £30m for Berbatov. Go on - I challenge you.

whats your point?
Mancs have more money than us so can lose more. It's like saying me and the Queen both losing a grand, matters more to me.

by **Igor Zidane** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:59 am

How has the strike thread got onto a rafa thread . This was not a pro / anti strike it was a strike to get this forum back to the way it was . It started because two of our most repected posters couldn't post anymore . Whether the mods and others like it or not mick and saint are respected by the vast majority on here and we wanted the insanity of the forum to stop . That was all . Now as far as rafa is concerned i reckon he couln't give two fecks what posters on this forum think about him .

by **Owzat** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:05 am

Rafa came in to do one thing, win the league title. If he fails then noone should be excusing him because other clubs have more money, that's no excuse for not beating pompey, stoke and wolves to name three more recent failures to win. You play a footy management game you set out to win, you don't sit there grumbling because other sides have more money and better squads, you get on with it and have a sense of achievement if you do win the league/quadruple/whatever. You don't win with the resources you have you consider yourself to have failed. When Rafa came here he didn't seriously expect to have unlimited funds did he? So why does he consistently waste money, more so now than earlier in his time here? £20m on a midfielder he couldn't play and now doesn't play, £17.5m on a right-back when the one we had was adequate, £20.3m on a striker we sold back inside six months, £7m on a left-back who was so naff we sold him back to Serie A, £3m on a goalkeeper to sit on the bench, £11.5m on a striker who he plays on the left and isn't that good or consistent no matter where he is played. Sure other managers make bad signings, but Rafa is almost perfecting the art.

And you don't need to be big spenders to make a title challenge, we somehow managed it last year and should have won the league but for too many draws, and this season Arsenal are right up there as they have been for most of the past 15 years and they are not in the top three spenders. Maybe that's because Wenger can identify quality at a good price, not have to throw large sums at players hoping they are good enough. Arsenal may not always win, but their style of football is way better than our's, so money isn't everything as citeh have proved this season through poor spending. They went out and bought good and experienced Premiership players, like a lot on here would like Rafa to do, but they paid over the odds and ended up with a dressing room full of egos that simply don't gel.

Yet despite Wenger making most of not a lot, compared to Rafa making least of quite a lot, people still want Josie or MON or dick van dyke or genghis khan or anyone but in charge of Liverpool. Give Rafa £250m and I still reckon he'd struggle to win the league, I reckon he'd have to have a side with Rooney, Torres, Ronaldo AND Messi in it before there'd be so much ability on the pitch even his tactics and negativity would be hard pressed to stop the side succeeding. Sometimes you reach a point where you have to say it's not working and move on. Unless there is the imminent arrival of mr moneybags I can't see Rafa suddenly pulling a rabbit out of the hat, and if mr moneybags did arrive I'm doubting Rafa would definitely be in his plans either.

So plan A at the moment has to be to hope Chelsea and the mancs either go bust or are somehow penalised points by the FA for something. Even then we might be among the frontrunners, but no guarantee we'd finish above villa, spudz, citeh or Arsenal

by **dawson99** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:40 am

Igor Zidane wrote:How has the strike thread got onto a rafa thread . This was not a pro / anti strike it was a strike to get this forum back to the way it was . It started because two of our most repected posters couldn't post anymore . Whether the mods and others like it or not mick and saint are respected by the vast majority on here and we wanted the insanity of the forum to stop . That was all . Now as far as rafa is concerned i reckon he couln't give two fecks what posters on this forum think about him .

here here
but mods just wont answer questions, and if ask we'll just get more cards...

So from now on i'm gonna be:

Expect to be put in Cooler soon :wwww

by **Sabre** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:11 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:How has the strike thread got onto a rafa thread . This was not a pro / anti strike it was a strike to get this forum back to the way it was . It started because two of our most repected posters couldn't post anymore . Whether the mods and others like it or not mick and saint are respected by the vast majority on here and we wanted the insanity of the forum to stop . That was all . Now as far as rafa is concerned i reckon he couln't give two fecks what posters on this forum think about him .

I'll tell you how.

Personally I couldn't give a flying fúck for who's popular in this forum or any other forum. I'll keep liking Lando even if the list of the people who says he has no brains is twice as big as it is.

What I do give a fúck about is about unfair accusations, and one of the accusations running in this thread is that some mods ban people because of their football opinions.

Which is bóllocks and can be seen it's untrue whenever a poster says something negative about Rafa's reign like Andy G has done, and nothing happened (millions of times, Igor, as you know because I've seen you upset about many antirafa posts).

That is, if you miss Bigmick and S@int so much so much it's ok you say I'll stop posting. But saying that they were banned for their football opinions is unfair, not backed by any fact, not backed by logic, and unfair to the mods.

And I'm not a particular fan of the way supersub has moderated this forum before any of you come with the "you are licking their árse" mantra. In fact I resigned to be a moderator because I carded (one simple yellow card) Peewee and he removed it a half an hour later.

But one thing is to have personal opinions, and another thing is to accuse the mods of things I simply don't know just because I like a poster. I haven't done it for Lando, I haven't done it for Leonmc, not for Bigmick, and I won't do it for anyone, no matter how much I like them as posters.

In a nutshell, if the strike was about "do you want bigmick football posts back" I'd join. But if the strike was about taking sides between them and supersub, I wouldn't.

by **dawson99** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:13 pm

you never told us how sabre mate, you basically tried to do a Lando but had no point... actually that's exactly doing a Lando

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